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Was Mancow really waterboarded?
Status: Undetermined
Gawker devoted a series of posts last week to shockjock Erich Muller, aka Mancow. First they praised him for having undergone waterboarding so he could decide for himself whether or not it was torture. But then they obtained a series of emails from Mancow's publicist suggesting the entire thing was a hoax, that Mancow faked being waterboarded.Mancow insists the waterboarding wasn't faked, despite what his publicist's email may suggest.
Frankly, I find it hard to care one way or the other. Whether Mancow had water poured on his face for six seconds or not, the whole thing was a publicity stunt. He's a loudmouth trying to get attention, and contributing nothing intelligent to public debate. It's unfortunate he does get attention.
Thanks to Bob and Joe!
Update: My mistake... there is video of what happened. So I guess the debate is about whether he faked his reaction, not whether the waterboarding itself was fake. (Though some might argue that since his hands weren't bound, it wasn't really waterboarding.)
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Categories: Hate Crimes/Terror Posted by Alex on Mon Jun 01, 2009 |
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This waterboarding stunt--I agree that it was just that--was missing a very important piece IMHO: a real member of the U.S. Military doing the exercise to Mancow. What to *they* add to the exercise?
Posted by Charles in Michigan on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 11:18 AM
Um, there is video of the waterboarding. I saw it first as a Youtube clip. Put in Mancow and waterboarding in google and the first result is a link to the video.
Posted by Hitchcock on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 01:48 PM
The video has been on MSNBC, specifically COUNTDOWN, several times, and other cable news networks. In fact, there have been interviews with 'Mancow' about it at least twice.
Posted by John Paradox in Tucson, AZ on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 04:24 PM
Hi! Long time reader, first time commentator.
I thinki that either you or your source is getting hoaked on this one. To address multiple points:
(1) If this is a hoax perpitrated by Mancow, it is the oddest and most counterproductive hoax ever, since his stance has always been that waterboarding is no big deal, and now, after the event, he is saying that waterboarding is definatly torture. seems like an ornate prnk to pull just to contradict yourself, and get in trouble with your core right-wing audience.
(2) the procedure was performed by a trained US Marine Sgt.
(3) the video is all over MSNBC and the internet, as others have pointed out.
(4)on a personal note, how can you say that this contributes nothing to discussion? A man has "put his money where his mouth is" and actually took part in a process that is, to the majority of us, a theoretical debate at best. His testimony as to the experience is invaluable material for the discussion.
Posted by TallGhost on Mon Jun 01, 2009 at 06:41 PM
I thinki that either you or your source is getting hoaked on this one. To address multiple points:
(1) If this is a hoax perpitrated by Mancow, it is the oddest and most counterproductive hoax ever, since his stance has always been that waterboarding is no big deal, and now, after the event, he is saying that waterboarding is definatly torture. seems like an ornate prnk to pull just to contradict yourself, and get in trouble with your core right-wing audience.
(2) the procedure was performed by a trained US Marine Sgt.
(3) the video is all over MSNBC and the internet, as others have pointed out.
(4)on a personal note, how can you say that this contributes nothing to discussion? A man has "put his money where his mouth is" and actually took part in a process that is, to the majority of us, a theoretical debate at best. His testimony as to the experience is invaluable material for the discussion.
"If this is a hoax perpitrated by Mancow, it is the oddest and most counterproductive hoax ever, since his stance has always been that waterboarding is no big deal, and now, after the event, he is saying that waterboarding is definatly torture. seems like an ornate prnk to pull just to contradict yourself, and get in trouble with your core right-wing audience."
I've learned over the years that automatically assuming sincerity on the part of a media personality is a mistake.
Mancow's career has been on the downward slope for the past few years. It may simply be that he's decided that the X-treme Christian Rightwinger act has run its course and it's time to switch teams.
His show, which originates from Chicago, isn't even heard in his own home town. Mancow's audience just isn't that big right now so worrying about "alienating" them may not be his Number One Concern.
On a personal note, let's just say that I have come familiarity with Mancow's guest booking. I wouldn't say he's all that concerned with making sure that some of the guests are who and what they claim to be. Like I said, don't automatically assume sincerity. He's a shock jock, not a journalist.
"the procedure was performed by a trained US Marine Sgt."
Actually, the former Marine in question told Gawker that he was completely unqualified to conduct a waterboarding.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Tue Jun 02, 2009 at 04:14 AM
I've learned over the years that automatically assuming sincerity on the part of a media personality is a mistake.
Mancow's career has been on the downward slope for the past few years. It may simply be that he's decided that the X-treme Christian Rightwinger act has run its course and it's time to switch teams.
His show, which originates from Chicago, isn't even heard in his own home town. Mancow's audience just isn't that big right now so worrying about "alienating" them may not be his Number One Concern.
On a personal note, let's just say that I have come familiarity with Mancow's guest booking. I wouldn't say he's all that concerned with making sure that some of the guests are who and what they claim to be. Like I said, don't automatically assume sincerity. He's a shock jock, not a journalist.
"the procedure was performed by a trained US Marine Sgt."
Actually, the former Marine in question told Gawker that he was completely unqualified to conduct a waterboarding.
Posted by AqueousBoy on Tue Jun 02, 2009 at 09:08 AM
For the most part, I agree that this was nothing but a lame stunt by a professional loudmouth.
But I'm not sure it contributes *nothing* to the debate. After an extremely mild and not very realistic simulation of waterboarding, he changed his mind to say that it is, indeed torture.
Why do I say it's not very realistic? He wasn't tied to a board and unable to move, he didn't have his whole nose and mouth covered, he had medical personnel standing by to administer aid if necessary, he took the treatment for less than five seconds rather than a minute or two, and, most important, he didn't have it done by enemy interrogators with no way of knowing whether they intended to continue the waterboarding until he was dead.
Posted by Big Gary in Lagarto Creek, Texas on Wed Jun 03, 2009 at 08:52 AM
But I'm not sure it contributes *nothing* to the debate. After an extremely mild and not very realistic simulation of waterboarding, he changed his mind to say that it is, indeed torture.
Why do I say it's not very realistic? He wasn't tied to a board and unable to move, he didn't have his whole nose and mouth covered, he had medical personnel standing by to administer aid if necessary, he took the treatment for less than five seconds rather than a minute or two, and, most important, he didn't have it done by enemy interrogators with no way of knowing whether they intended to continue the waterboarding until he was dead.
That doesn't look like waterboarding to me. In waterboarding, they pour very small amounts of water directly into the airway. This just looked like dumping a pitcher of water on the guy's face in a posture where some of it might splash into his airway.
Posted by JoeTheJuggler on Sun Jun 07, 2009 at 10:58 PM
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