Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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For example, ringing in ears, vision clears, feeling of cobwebs on body, etc...
So if you experience these physical sensations then what they are saying MUST BE TRUE! 😉
Because you admit were an active member of the ToV, I must take a backseat to listen and learn what you have to say.
In my line of thinking, I was assuming that what I had been reading in the majority of the posts on this site was information that has little or nothing to do with the actual inner workings of how the Temple operates psychologically. I was assuming that posts were just skimming the surface so to speak. I had already suspected that Nemo was a fraud, but I was looking for the 'meat' of the fraud he is perpetrating. I was looking for the actual 'carrot and the stick' techniques that the Temple writings and hierarchy use to keep members captured.
I had managed to obtain the TVB and Revelation from a former registered member who was wise enough not to get ripped off any further by "stepping through the Temple gate" to active membership.
This has been my particular interest in this web site: finding out the inner workings of this cult, especially once one becomes a active member.
After reading the two books I was astounded about something right from the get-go:
"Believe nothing - test everything" is a very powerful psychological statement that sets you up for - "Within lies fact and fancy."
Since there is no distinction between fact and fancy within the writings, you really can't test anything accurately. So you must totally rely on faith. You must be told how and what to believe.
It struck me that the ToV is no different than fundamentalist Christianity, which I personally oppose. I think Christianity is a mental disorder.
I have expressed my frustration by being over judgmental about some of the postings here. I wish to see the ToV exposed for personal reasons.
I am a member of the Church of Satan. I do not understand why Nemo and others as members of the ToV are allowed to operate at clergy levels within the CoS, while simultaneously involved in something that is obviously a conflict of interest and is diametrically opposed to Satanic principles layed out by the writings of the CoS.
Private: again I apologize for my former rant of frustration that obviously rubbed the wrong way. I commend your ballsy effort to inform others of what I too see as a money machine and a manipulative cult. You are doing a good service to others and perhaps saving someone from great emotional harm.
To be honest, I am strongly disappointed that current CoS administration has supported this overt cult since the early 90's.
The last time I checked, The Satanic Bible opposes all repressive religious mentalities and is anti-cult to the core and an un-religion.
I am disappointed that the ToV still remains on their "sources" page.
I realize no organization is perfect but it still bothers me that the ToV is still promoted by the CoS.
I think the only way to make the CoS listen is by sending a email to them voicing your concerns about the ToV.
P.s. no problem Hocus Pocus. I can understand why you felt the way you did at that time. 😊
Yet, I have noticed that negative comments or discussions about other religions on LTTD are fine and permissible, with the ToV being the only exception. Why is that?
I say let the ToV be stratified and let CoS members express their feelings towards this cult.
This suppressive attitude on LTTD reminds me of how adherents or followers of other religions try and silence all criticism against their religion, remember there are many ToV members in the CoS. Once again, for those just reading this, the LTTD owner, Mister Ventrue, is a Temple Adept. 😉
One could also argue and say that since it is his messageboard then he has the right to allow what he wants said or not said on there. However, I think suppression of CoS member's opinions about the ToV places this organization into a suspicious context.
I also think that since LTTD is, basically, a so-called "un-official" but OFFICIAL CoS messageboard then members should be allowed to express their feelings about the ToV. Quite honestly, I think the ToV could not stand against the intellectual criticisms of most Satanists.
I also feel that the ToV should be responsible for its own marketing and not use the CoS and the CoS website to further its profits. I think if the ToV declares its self as a separate organization then it should stand on its own two feet and does not the CoS for support. If they are god of the earth then they can pay their own bills.
And I feel that ToV banners and links in LTTD member's signatures are not appropiate on LTTD. I think these "shameless plugs" for the ToV should be banned.
I also find that any religion where its adherents are easily offended against any criticism to be placing that religion in a weak position. Although, I would have to exclude a religion defending its self against claims of criminal activity or human or animal sacrifice that the ToV and CoS are opposed to.
If you notice, this is a common trait with most followers of christianity. They instantly become defensive, angry and rude towards anyone who criticizes their beliefs.
Lastly, I feel the ToV is riding on the coat-tails of the Devil and is what some would call a freeloader or lot lice. Also, there are many non-CoS members in the ToV.
I know this whole ToV thing is a complex issue, but I can't read The Satanic Bible and Anton LaVey's writings and support this ToV under the banner of Satanism.
I wish Anton LaVey was still alive and would kick this organization to the curve like he did with the Setian beliefs in his Satanic Church.
Note to Setians, you have a right to your beliefs or your religion, but I take Anton LaVey's position in regards to your religion not being compatible with the Satanism that Anton LaVey defined.
http://vampirism.subject-expert.com/vampires-f2/question-with-some-comment-temple-of-the-vampire-t60.htm
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http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=34790#Post34790
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=63630#Post63630
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=65516#Post65516
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=90738#Post90738
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=206086#Post206086
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=129380#Post129380
Can any of the ex-TOV posters shed some light on:
1. The 90 day program that Nemo supposedly starts you on once you start active membership. Any hints what's involved in that and if it is useful in any way, shape or form (I've been curious about it for a while.)
2. What it's like as an active member- do you get anything good out of it basically or was it all bad and b/s?
Once you begin to "test everything" as they tell you to do, you will find that your new "family" will attack you without mercy until you conform. If you join and just have faith in what they preach and never question anything, you will pass with flying colors and may even get some really impressive (rented) titles to show off to your internet pals (for a monthly fee). Never fear, however, if you fuck up, your "friend" Nemo will graciously allow you to start all over again from the very beginning, fees and all.
Well, it's been fun, but I'm off to go do something constructive in the real world.
Again folks.. keep up the great work!!! This is a great blog. I'll be sure to keep checking back here and passing on this link to others.
Here is why.
When I was man_mind on LttD forums, I used trace route to end the debate on who was ToV and who was CoS, and it was met with lackies galore (Actually only two) who came in to sling retarded comment after retarded comment about how many many people use the same providers, etc etc.
Now.....
"All my projects and companies will remain along with churchofsatan.com, vampiretemple.com, and coopstuff.com ... all of these sites, I monitor personally and upgrade or fix any security issues as they come out."
He said it himself.. he runs all the shit. Now he's charging money to use LttD and Undercroft.. No wonder he was selling Undercroft so hard:
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=363390&page=1
This was sent to me.
HAHAHAHA. Fuckin lame ass's.
Who really wants to join ToV or CoS? I know I refuse to pay to become a ding-a-ling who has masters who can't even be honest with themselves. As if the first half of that sentence wasn't enough to deter someone.
I'll contribute a personal theory on the TOV to this discussion now:
Diabolus Rex wrote 2 rituals for the Temple of Set's Ruby Tablet of Set. This would have been around the time Nemo was involved in that organization though I haven't been able to find more info on Rex's involvement in the TOS. From what I understand they would have both left the COS for the TOS around the same time- and returned to the Church around the same time. When they left, the TOV was founded and both were Adepts in it.
This has led me to develop this possible theory: the TOV is a parody of the Temple of Set. Perhaps they intentionally joined the TOS just to learn what it was like on the inside, left when they had enough info and set up the TOV to mock the TOS and drain away potential members.
When you consider how machivellian Satanism can be, it makes a lot of sense as possibility doesn't it? Perhaps a group of Satanists agreed in the 80s to pretend to be disillusioned with the COS and "defect" to the TOS- only to sabotoge it.
Interesting, this must be a new policy because when I was a member they used to preach that the ToV was not a revolving door and will not let you back in once you leave.
Are only top shape vampires worthy of belonging to the ToV?
Is cryonics the only immortality angle that the temple has?
I am disabled and in pain 24/7 and the concept of the all powerful everlasting vampire who will take part in ruling the world is laughable and absurd to me. People who are in good health might have to discern a little harder about this bullshit. People who are not so healthy see things in sharp contrast and don't take so much for granted. We aren't open to as much metaphysical brainwashing as others are (unless we are the super fools who go to idiot Christian healing services).
The peer pressure on members of the ToV to be and act a certain way must be tremendous.
There's been lots of anti-Christian sentiment expressed in these comments, but you know, at least Catholics understand that and have big families. That makes them smarter than the antisocial, narcissistic jerks who join mailorder cults like The Temple of the Vampire.
Ironically, the only people being preyed on are the ones gullible enough to send money to the con artists running this operation.
Not to mention Nietzsche, Anne Rice, William Bramley, Von Daniken, Zecharia Sitchin, William Meyers, and J. G. Eccarius.
You know, if the "Vampire Bible" were being published as fiction, or as a literary hoax like the Necronomicon, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But I believe the ideas that are being peddled by this cult are psychologically harmful, particularly to the vulnerable segments of the population that are being targeted (i.e., alienated teens/young adults and schizophrenics). The people who are running this scam are utterly amoral scumbags, almost as bad in my view as pimps or drug dealers. It's not because you *can* screw people that you *should*.
MLM wrote: "Also, one who has researched such things, will notice there are strong similarities between the Temple of Set teachings and ToV teachings."
If I'm not mistaken, the Temple of Set has or had an "Order of the Vampire" or something along that line.
Is cryonics the only immortality angle that the temple has?
Actually, the only one's "worthy" are the one's who have enough money to pay for cryonics, pay for membership fees, pay for books, and pay for jewelry from the Temple.
Yes, as some presume in this topic, there is high pressure sales, to buy and do all these things under the guise of
Is there anything of substance which you gain once you are 'inside', or is the main behavior of your peers wrapped around 'advancement via money'?
In other words - why are there people who have been members for a long time?
I've noticed several members are people who are in professional positions and hold various degrees in science, ect.
I wonder if people stay around because it's a kind of fun social clique for the rich and bored.
My concern is for the less fortunate who become psychological prey.
You can gain some useful knowledge but nothing to extraordinary.
As far as why some stay, some claim that their experiences are what keep them there while I felt others may have been their for social reasons.
In other words - why are there people who have been members for a long time?
I've noticed several members are people who are in professional positions and hold various degrees in science, ect.
Many intelligent people have allowed themselves to be members of other cults and brainwashed too.
Does the TOV stuff work? Is it effective?
There is your answer.
Does the TOV stuff work? Is it effective?
There is your answer."
Sounds like a double-speak answer Nemo would give, doesn't it?
It's not a matter if it works or not.
The effectiveness of the ToV truth hinges on the ten dollars a month you fork over to be a 'vampire'.
The rest is a delusion of grandeur.
Sometimes I feel like
somebody's watching me.
Great pun Mr. Jackson.
I'm looking to skip all the pleantries and boost right up to Adept, I was thinking, would it be possible to flow you about a 1k and get right up in the mix of things?
I'm so frustrated being a snide wannabe.
I should just break down and pay month in and month out to be a genuine for real vampire and live forever (along with my human slaves of course).
I can't wait for the Final Harvest, which is when the heads of the ToV cash in their stocks. By that that time I'll be a cryonic frozen stiff, awaiting my Immortality.
What a thrill! Yeppers . . . you betcha!
I am not convinced that you are not Nemo because he doesn't talk in street lingo using terms like "dude" or "word".
I really don't think you are helping out this discussion by pretending to be someone you are not.
If you have something useful to contribute then please do; otherwise, why waste your time just shooting off your mouth on here?
If you are a Temple member then, from the sound of your postings, you do not sound like a "ruler of the earth" like you think you are.
Also, if you are watching us then what is the point--what IS the point? By the way, did you see me flush my copy of The Vampire Bible (my money) down my toilet while you were watching like some omnipresent God?
Flushing the Vampire bible down the commode was the best move I made since I had joined the ToV at that time.
I thought I heard some voice coming from the commode saying "hogwash" while the water swirled the pieces down the hole to be lost to the winds of time.
P.s. Maybe Nemo should start offering "senior discounts" to older members because they are closer to a rest home than younger members. LOL!
Posted by Charles Nemo in Hell, MI on Mon Feb 09, 2009 at 06:37 PM
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And Temple of the Vampire is the epitome of silence
Wow 'Nemo'. I guess this is the part where I'm supposed to get all nervous and threatened.
Yo Nemo from Hell. Your a parasite. You suck attention, and the more people respond to you, the more crap comes out of your mouth.
The best thing for you is to be ignored, which is what I'm doing as soon as I get this statement completed.
Most likely you will type off some idiot reply to my letter, just to draw attention to yourself and keep the ball rolling.
It's a good idea that nobody responds to you at all. You love the attention, don't you?
Your babbling is an irritant, like a fly.
You can trash me all you want "Nemo". I won't respond to a moron like you.
Neither should anyone else on this forum.
You're a waste.
Laughing, sounds like another cheap shameless sales plug. 😉
Also, Charles Nemo (not the same Nemo) maybe there has been a case of mistaken identity and it was nobody's intent here to attack you on a personal level. If you also read in my previous posts, I said I wasn't sure if the Nemo's mentioned in the other posted links were the ToV's Nemo.
I was just trying to figure out through deductive reasoning who the ToV Nemo was out of simple curiosity. Then again, as I had stated, the links that I provided were not meant to be stated as facts and I made no absolute claim that anyone in those links was the ToV's Nemo.
I also assure you that I wasn't having a meltdown and I feel calm and comfortable.
If you feel your identity has been mistaken then please tell us, briefly, about yourself and who you are.
After that, if you can offer some helpful information in regards to the ToV topic here then we would be interested.
Otherwise, if you are just here to taunt and make your own personal attacks against others here then what is the point? If this is your intent, then why are you wasting your time here if you really have nothing to say about the ToV topic?
Do you need attention?
If you continue this attitude then I suggest to all here to just ignore this individuals postings. The more attention you give someone with this type of attitude the more they will keep going on an on. 😉