Here's a couple of vampire-themed websites sent in by visitors. First we have the
Federal Vampire and Zombie Agency. According to the blurb on the site, "From 1868 to 1975, the Federal Vampire & Zombie Agency (FVZA) was responsible for controlling the nation's vampire and zombie populations while overseeing scientific research into the undead. This site is a tribute to the men and women who served in the FVZA, especially the over 4000 Agents who lost their lives fighting to keep our country safe." And next we have
The Temple of the Vampire. If you want to live forever, then all you have to do is join the temple. The catch is that in order to join you have to buy their book,
The Vampire Bible. That's a good sales gimmick. I should try something like that for my book, such as if you want to achieve a state of absolute enlightenment, then you have to buy my book.
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And what was with that mental defective who lies about porpherya, that shit is hard core ive seen someone suffer from that. I hope the retard gets the shit he lies about if only for an hour
People can't get enough of these trendy Temples.
*smirk*
George either founded or joined the Kthulhu Pylon (sort of like a local church within the ToS) near Lacy, Washington, and decided to leave the ToS and return to the CoS when he yet again couldn't get into the priesthood. I think another reason that he left was that, like Issac Bonewitz before him, he tried to reform the Temple of Set - he wanted to redefine how they view and relate to Set. Well, the Kthulhu Pylon transformed into the Temple of the Vampire and the rest is pretty much history. George became Lucas Martel for a while, and now goes by the name Nemo. He is a Magister in the CoS, and has written an article that reverses everything he said in his "Secret Source of Satanic philosophy" article now that he's a member of the LaVey cult again."
http://warlockshandbook.com/essays/divide.html
"I'm talking about sheep in wolve's clothing. I'm referring to cult groups who claim to be Satanists but act just like the most dedicated Christian fanatics! I am talking about White Light Mystics who use Satanic trappings.
They are out there and they are dangerous!
How are they dangerous?
Well, in my own case it cost me almost three precious years of my life before I finally saw through the sham of one organization and began to undo the damage it caused to my life.
Yes, I said damage!"
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/PseudoS.html
And a super immortal so-called "real" vampire is claiming that he was damaged and duped by an organization? Wouldn't a real vampire be able to see through the "sham"?
I also wonder how many ex-Temple members are spending their "three years" undoing the psychological damage that comes from being a Temple Member?
After reading these two excerpts I am convinced that there MAY be some truth to the other website's claims.
I also doubt that Charles Nemo is a so-called real Vampire.
Real Vampires--wouldn't have a need to brag to the mortals (on here and elsewhere) about the coming Apocolypse or feel a need to beat their chests and call others puny mortals.
I think that individuals who have real power do not have to advertise as many so-called Vampires have had in this thread.
But, if you wish to pay for a magical guru then go for it, have fun paying them, jumping through hoops and hanging your Titles on your wall.
http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Bunco.html
To Meghan Berens,
I suggest that you live your life to the fullest and do not seek others to help you live out your life for you.
You said: "I Want To Live This Life Because I Choose This Life More Then The Life I Have Right Now."
You have the ability to create happiness and joy and peace in your life.
You have the ability to rise above your problems and accomplish your dreams.
Remember, you always have the power and choice to make your life better and others can not do that for you.
And you sound like you have some problems that need to be discussed with your parents or a professional counselor.
I would suggest that you tell your parents you are unhappy with your life situation so they can help you.
I also think that you should not leave your window open because that could be dangerous. You do not want some bad person coming in on you during the night.
I don't want you getting confused and thinking a bad person is a Vampire.
If they were real you would know and would not need to leave windows open to discover them. If they are real they will find you.
Personally, I will not believe in a vampire until I see one and then I would still question its intentions.
Also, I think if you have to pay to meet one then the claims are most likely not true.
Now do what I say and keep your window shut! 😊
You will be happy and things WILL be OK.
Be strong and talk to your parents.
You need to stay off of this website, talk to your parents and please seek some help as soon as possible.
Listen to the only rational voice here.
For a start, I found this web article to be useful.
http://www.virtualsalt.com/evalu8it.htm
Also, I did some browsing in old usenet postings and discovered that this Charles Nemo or Chaos Nemo had been accused of lying about visiting John Wayne Gacey.
Many Usenet posters were also accusing him of being a compulsive liar on other things too.
I don't have enough information to come to any conclusions in regards to attacks against this Charles Nemo's credibility.
It could be a possibility that this Charles Nemo character is another individual too?
Also, to be sure that this is the same Nemo of the ToV is also uncertain at this point for me.
I would be interested if anyone could come up with some better research results.
Usenet links:
Charles Nemo's Usenet profile:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=1oyjthYAAAAmOmuGUSn6yaRH0qxT-tHJ1FZq7O9kf0yoPRhLX7WLiQ
Gacey visit a hoax?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.radio.talk.dr-laura/browse_thread/thread/273ec9535892ca8a?hl=en&q=nemo+gacey
This is the closest profile that sounds like Nemo on the Usenet:
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=1VsPMw8AAABN95MFiDWi_Rdnjqrxqvro
http://web.archive.org/web/20021004044937/smithid.home.netcom.com/myfees.html
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.netcom.com/~smithid/
http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?hl=en&enc_user=uSU_lRUAAABURivfS5DcxJOrZy9YEbz7DwQ22TA-NuZYSG5IG9SZ-Q
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this is just a latest wrinkle
It's not a religion, it's a way of life. I think it's stupid that they have it with such words as temple or bible. Vampirism isn't a religion, it's almost an insult to call it such.
My advice would be to use the teachings of TOV, because they seem like they could very well profit you if you have an interest in being wealthy and worldly advanced.
As I began to read over these comments they began to be nothing more than an almost exact parallel to the Christian religions. One arguing that theirs is more right that their belief is the true way.
As far as I'm concerned everyone should quit thinking that there is a "true" way. Take every part of what you hear and learn and use it to your advantage, that's what it really means to be what people would call a vampire.
I can guarantee that if you do this and stop wasting time arguing that you are or aren't right you will end up much wealthier, healthier and live much longer.
I had a bit more to say, but I'm getting bored of this. I have better things to do than listen to arguments, how amusing it can be.
Just thought I'd leave a bit of "food for thought" with all of you.
Listen to me or ignore me, I'm merely doing this to spread a bit of information is all... well and amusement.
Oh well, I'm beginning to ramble like usual.
Farewell.
If there are so-called "bigger" things out there then present your selves to me and enlighten me.
If there are so-called "real" Vampires then present your selves to me and convince me you are worth my time.
Currently, I feel that I am the largest thing any of you have ever dealt with or faced.
I am a philosophical "hybrid" following the religion of "doubt".
Doubt is a terrible thing to those who BELIEVE.
Doubt is a terrible thing to those who wish to control.
One is left standing in the spirit of Lucifer or the metaphorical anti-Christ unaffected by your hypnotism.
One is left standing looking at your displays in the Museum of Hoaxes.
When one claims something is REAL then I demand PROOF.
So far I am not impressed with any claims in this world.
The only thing that impresses me is myself.
I glorify Myself only! And I glorify who I AM!
Bow before me "believers" and follow in my footsteps of DOUBT.
P.S. Religion was the biggest mistake you are having to clean up--idiots.
I see trees of green........ red roses too
I see em bloom..... for me and for you
And I think to myself.... what a wonderful world.
I see skies of blue..... clouds of white
Bright blessed days....dark sacred nights
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world.
The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
Are also on the faces.....of people ..going by
I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
Theyre really sayin......i love you.
I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
Theyll learn much more.....than Ill never know
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
(instrumental break)
The colors of a rainbow.....so pretty ..in the sky
Are there on the faces.....of people ..going by
I see friends shaking hands.....sayin.. how do you do
Theyre really sayin...*spoken*(I ....love....you).
I hear babies cry...... I watch them grow
*spoken*(you know their gonna learn
A whole lot more than Ill never know)
And I think to myself .....what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself .......what a wonderful world.
Well, have you ever heard of the natural phenomenon of ghosts?
I would also look into other sources of where the voices may be coming from.
It could be something metal picking up radio signals or many other things?
Be a scientist and look into what it could be.
And just because you hear voices then how do you know it is vampires or a vampire? What gave you this idea?
Don't jump to conclusions unless you have enough evidence or proof to say something is so.
Not implying or saying vampires are real, even if something popped in front of you and said "Hi! I am a Vampire!" should you believe it and take its word for it?
And, if it were real, then can you trust it? And just because a Vampyre Bible says it is on your side, how do you REALLY know? Believing a Vampyre Bible saying they are your so-called family is taking things on "faith".
Faith is blindly believing in something someone tells you or has no evidence for.
Whenever you stop doubting any experience is when you get into real trouble.
Of course, even if you told everyone on here they were real, do you think everyone would believe you? This reminds me of the whole Alien abduction thing.
Also, people used to think the earth was flat until science disproved that theory. 😉
As far as me, I do not believe in gods, devils, heavens or hells.
There is only ONE thing to me: REALITY or what some call NATURE.
I am not saying you did not have these experiences or saying they are not real. I am just asking you to be careful of the conclusions you come to.
Note: The Vampire of fiction never hated has life or living.
Interesting, I found this The Tempel of Azagthoth from the early 90's about the same time the ToV was getting started in the Usenet.
This Temple has a strong resemblance to the ToV.
Click on the "documents" link on the left on this link.
site: http://web.archive.org/web/19980515224557/satanism.net/iss/toa/
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I found out that the founder of the Temple of Azagthoth was a Temple of Vampire member.
Read the following excerpt:
"As far as background information on myself personally... I am a member of the T.O.V. (Temple of the Vampire) and closely alligned with the brothers in the Black Order of the Dragon. I am also a member of another orginization, which I will not mention at this time. I am a Satanist, but more importantly I am a Vampire. Vampirism is an extension of Traditional Satanism, with respect to the ONA here. I stress that we stop beating around the bush, as the new millenium approaches, strip yourself of your false ego and pride and realize the primal reptilian brain-center and use this. The purpose of the Tempel of Azagthoth and my purpose is to presence the Dark Forces upon the earth and rise as rulers. To go BEYOND Godhead, towards the black cloak of Azrael - its essence DAATH.
source: http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Oww/mem15.htm
P.s. Its GREAT to be Alive and Well on Planet Earth.
Yet, in my opinion, supporting the Vampire Temple is supporting a overt "cult". Let us not forget, that Anton Szandor LaVey was opposed to accusations that his CoS was a scam or was trying to recruit gullible "followers" looking to buy "merit badges" or black art "titles" to hang on their pretentious walls.
I have also wondered if this is an ex-Temple of Set's member's attempt to infiltrate the CoS.
Satanism, in my opinion, is the ONLY religion that is not a cult and that does not believe in any anthropomorphic being OR beings.
I also think that promoting "Undead Gods" is the same as promoting an anthropomorphic deity to worship. The Vampyre Bible clearly states that one should "worship" The Undead Gods. Sorry, but I only worship My Self.
I also feel that the Temple of the Vampire is a corruption of Satanism, as defined by Anton Szandor LaVey.
In summary, there is only room for ONE Satansim!
Yes, I agree that any associations with the ToV should be ended by the CoS.
However, we have to remain somewhat stunted in our public opinions on the matter. We can critique other beief systems, but the minute the ToV is brought up, we are politely asked not to discuss it within the public forum format. This alone should throw up red flags to anyone with half a brain.
Why Gilmore is silent on this is anyones guess.
The more this problem increases, the more it taints the CoS. Somewhere down the line something is going to crack.
And he will do whatever it takes to protect his MASTER or MASTERS.
I have also wondered if a messageboard created by a non-Temple member would allow criticizm of the Temple or would the CoS jump in to silence these types of postings?
I also think, just as an observation, that the ToV has created an unnecessary and embarrassing schism in the CoS. Backing up the previous statement, if this is not true then why are there CoS members on here voicing their disapproval of the temple.
I have also seen anti-Temple postings deleted on LTTD.
Maybe some are disappointed because everyone knows the temple has the ball? Lol
Hail Lord Xenu!
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=361312#Post361312
WTF!!!!!!
"Satanism is a materialistic Religion emphasizing the carnal.
Why would we associate with otherworldly, mystical, spiritual, or so-called transcendental religions?
They have NOTHING to offer us and we have NO use for them.
So the answer to your question is NO."
Well?
"Should someone who once joined decide that his concept of Satanism is somehow different, then he is in fact resigning himself from the organization through his personal choice to adopt a differing definition, a de facto embracing of some other position which is not Satanism as established by Dr. LaVey. This is a disaffiliation on a truly fundamental level, not requiring any formal expulsion, for the individual in question has intellectually abandoned the tenets that are required for his membership to be valid."
"a differing definition, a de facto embracing of some other position which is not Satanism as established by Dr. LaVey."
Thank you Nemo for making a fool of yourself. Guess you're not a member of the CoS then.
In your link Mr. Sand, Nemo says: "You might just find something very fulfilling and useful as a consequence.
Most truly effective secrets are "open" secrets. They are in plain view but require some effort to be useful.
That is certainly true here."
Never quits with the sales pitch, he seems to speak with a tone that shows no concern of ever being outted as a fraud.
http://www.nouveautechsociety.com/
Multi-Level Marketing scam dressed up as a secret society. Started by a guy who goes by the name Mark Hamilton (just an alias), do some research on it, you will be shocked to see how much it resembles the ToV and Mr. Nemo.
I wonder if he will really do this, or, it just could be a pressure tactic for forum members.
Remember: a non-active registered member of the ToV has already given money for not only the ToV Bible, but possibly also money for the other few thin books and the ToV bling offered at high prices.
Obviously this is not good enough - thus the forum "house cleaning".
So actually the forum is not a forum at all (being a tool for the exchange of ideas).
It is in reality a money funneling device for the deluded Satanist and non-Satanist alike.
Most of what I gleaned from the Temple was not new or unique knowledge. Nemo, is right, most of these so-called secrets the Temple is selling are
I also think Nemo
More material could be useful for verifying those patterns. Use of insults, namecalling, quotes, legal disclaimers, etc. Unless of course, he varies his language pattern, rhetoric style and reference sources with each callname... Like some of us do.
Here is an example of what I would consider a Nemo promotional interaction, the objective is rather obvious.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=364176&page=3
The next one is not completely and example of being in defense but it contains a few messages that in my opinion best describe Nemo's undermining qualities.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=363390&page=4
This one is full of Nemo's business plan, besides the book, which I'm sure he considers to be a Satanic Reference, I read in a couple of sentences what I interpret as his true intention.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=358693&Searchpage=1&Main=34536&Words=nemo&Search=true#Post358693
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=354288&page=2
You, sir, may have handed me a splendid dirk.
http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=358693&Searchpage=1&Main=34536&Words=nemo&Search=true#Post358693
More specifically:
"The truly super-sneaky Satanist would have milked the flock you gathered and kept the secret of his true views to himself."
And further on.
"More practically, since you feel bad about converting people to a view you now see as wrong, instead of fighting the emotion try instead to enjoy feeling deliciously evil about it."
Then the question is, if Nemo is a supersneaky satanist milking a flock of vampire wannabes. Or is he just using CoS as his fishing pond?
In any case, he must be feeling deliciously evil right now, though I have difficulties coping with words like "Nemo" and "delicious" in the same sentence.
"I just returned from London where I participated in a delightful banquet held in Sir Dashwood's Hellfire Caves where Benjamin Franklin so often found amusement."
Then I look at "Johnny, we hardly knew ye."
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/gacy237.htm
Here he tells us:
"I was dating a so-called "Riot Grrrl" (an ardent female fan of heavy metal music, who often dressed in black clothes and combat boots)"
"All the women were luridly good-looking and eager for action..."
"My companion(s) and I would fly to St. Louis on Saturday morning, shack up at the Embassy Suites on the waterfront and "party hearty" on Saturday night. A nightclub called Mississippi Nights across the street from the hotel always had good beer and decent bands, some of them well-known groups such as Gwar. I always drove a Cadillac, and after several hours at the club, we
"TO thE exteNt WE areE our TRUe SeLVeS we haVE A dEEp REvUlsion To the CULtUrE Of MaNipuLAtIoN AnD EveryTHINg In US TELLS us Not tO BECoME oneOF IT's PraACtitioneRS aND we seE The reGreSsive radICalISM ofFered bY muCH oF Popular cultuRE AS a lure alL THOSE FoRbiDDeN FanTAsieS ARE foRms of regression that lead us away from our true selves."
"TO thE exteNt WE arE our TRUe SeLVeS we haVE A dEEp REvUlsion To the CULtUrE Of MaNipuLAtIoN AnD EveryTHINg In US TELLS us Not tO BECoME oneOF IT's PraACtitioneRS aND we seE The reGreSsive radICalISM ofFered bY muCH oF Popular cultuRE AS a lure alL THOSE FoRbiDDeN FanTAsieS ARE foRms of regression that lead us away from our true selves."
Too bad the focus often strays from the ToV into lame speculations, alledged 'facts' and rants that has nothing to do with constructive inquiry or the ToV at all.
Maybe someone who was deep into the ToV and has backed out can shed light on the hoax angle of that religion. Until that time, we will be submitted to nothing but speculation and annoying crap that others post here.