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Time Travel Mutual Fund
I just received this rather non-humorous letter from the folks over at the Time Travel Mutual Fund:

Hello Alex,
I see you have our site, The Time Travel Fund, listed in your museum
of hoaxes.(www.TimeTravelFund.com)
I am writing you to ask that you remove us from your site. We are not
a hoax; we are serious in what we are attempting to do. Your site
lists us as being a hoax as if it were a fact, not as simply being
your personal opinion.
While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, presenting it as a
fact and not an opinion is slander.



This raises a dilemma for me. I do, in fact, list the Time Travel Fund in my gallery of hoax websites, having assumed that the site was a kind of cute, tongue-in-cheek idea whose main purpose was to sell $10 certificates that people could hang on their wall as a joke, rather than really being in the business of fund management. But if they're perfectly serious about their time travel fund, then that makes it a kooky site, rather than a hoax site. Should I keep the site on the list? I'm not sure.

I'm inclined to keep it on there just to annoy them because I don't like their legalistic threat about me slandering them. But I think the best thing to do would be to keep their site in the list, but add a disclaimer noting that while I thought the Fund was a joke, the fund managers themselves seem to take their task very seriously.
Categories: Future/Time, Websites
Posted by The Curator on Fri Aug 20, 2004
Comments (95)
If their promise is kept, won't those of us who purchase the certificate immidiately disappear into the future? If certificate holders have not disappeared, it can only mean two things: time travel is not possible in the future, or your fund never made it into the future.

There is one born every minute.
Posted by Marty  in  Australia  on  Fri Aug 27, 2004  at  03:17 AM
They should be thanking you for the free exposure, not threatenting a lawsuit. They are complete morons.
Posted by thecrwth  on  Fri Aug 27, 2004  at  04:30 PM
what about inflation? wouldn't that hurt your time travel fund?
Posted by john  in  NH  on  Sat Aug 28, 2004  at  12:21 AM
sounds as if they're trying to hoax you, again. keeping up the mystery and all. i wouldn't be concerned if i were you.
Posted by linda  in  cambridge, ma  on  Sun Sep 05, 2004  at  05:49 PM
Hello fellow commenters. I stumbled on to this page and after reading all the comments, I was curious enough to go and read what all the fuss was about.

So is the site a hoax? Like Alex, I have no proof either way? It's impossible to say with factual certainty. Yet I see that many of you are quite happy to do so.

Actually, what struck me as really tragic about all this was the poor logic some of you used to support your statements.

>If their promise is kept, won't those of us
>who purchase the certificate immidiately
>disappear into the future?

At least read the site before you critique it. That question is covered well.

>There is an assumption that someone must be
>around running their company in 500 or 5,000
>years. There won't be.

Huh? How could you know there won't be anyone around? (Hey, are you from the future?!)

Trusts and companies are separate legal entities that are perpetual.

>If they insist that they are serious, ask them
>why, if time travel seems a certainty in the
>future, we have not had any visitors from there.

They never say time travel is a certainty. In fact, I thought they were pretty clear that it is definitely uncertain. Again, at least read the site before you critique it.

Why haven't we had any vistors from the future? Why are you so definite we haven't?

>what about inflation? wouldn't that hurt your
>time travel fund?

Good question. Yes it would. Now go read the home page of the site for their answer.

Love to you all,
Jules
Posted by Julie T  on  Thu Sep 16, 2004  at  11:41 AM
Dear Jules,
I read the site. Did you? The Fund was allegedly set up with the premise "how would YOU like to visit, even live hundreds of years in the future?". If the suggestion is I get to visit the future after I am dead, the premise fails. It is quite clear that you have read the site but your alleged logic has failed you. Go on, put up the $10 and visit the future after you die. For me, I will obey the Prime Directive and not interfere with inferior intelligences.
Love you too.
Marty
Posted by Marty  in  Aust  on  Thu Sep 16, 2004  at  09:04 PM
Marty, Marty, Marty, tsk, tsk, tsk,

You're making this way too easy for me, but I'll assume you're not just trolling and take on the challenge.

>I read the site. Did you?

Yes, that's also what I said I did in my original message. (Hopefully that is all cleared up now.)

>If the suggestion is I get to visit the future
>after I am dead, the premise fails.

How does the premise fail? You just made this statement but you didn't support it with any facts or evidence. How did you arrive at this conclusion? It's certainly not self-evident.

If we're expected to believe that the premise fails just because you say so, then that's not very convincing.

>It is quite clear that you have read the
>site...

Hold on, if it's clear that I read the site, why did you question above whether I had read it or not?

>...but your alleged logic has failed you.

Again, are we expected to believe my logic is flawed just because you say so?

I'm more than happy to be corrected, but unless you quote a specific mistake in my logic and provide some good evidence of where it is wrong, then those words are just an unfounded opinion.

You, of course, have every right to an opinion about me, just as I have every right to ask you to substantiate that opinion.

>Go on, put up the $10 and visit the future
>after you die.

Firstly, as I said in my original message, I have no idea of whether the site is a hoax or not. Until more information is made available to me, I'm neutral on the whole matter. So why are you goading me in to doing so?

Secondly, whether I (or anyone) would invest in the fund or not has no relevance to my original claim that some of the previous commenters used questionable arguments to support their conclusions.

If someone had used the same type of poor rationalisations to claim that the site was _not_ a hoax, I'd be just as discouraged from believing them.

>Love you too.

Why thanks - I could just hug you right now. wink
Jules
Posted by Julie T  on  Fri Sep 17, 2004  at  04:39 AM
Found the time travel site ages ago. A bit of a hoot but they are genuine I believe (misguided but genuine). The sad thing is I visted a time travel site forum and the people there are absolutely convinced. Constant comments like "whatever happened to 'x'?" John Titor has to be the most well known time traveller (google him) And dissapointment when speculation is proved wrong. It's tragic. (conspiracy theorist sites are good fun too)

A question however is WHY are 98% of these morons US citizens?
Posted by steve treloar  in  melbourne  on  Sat Sep 25, 2004  at  11:26 PM
first of all steve, I have an answer to your question "WHY are 98% of these morons US citizens?"
....well, thats a hard one, but i've managed to come up with a conclusion...98% of these morons are US citizens because 98% of US citizens are morons...oh burn

-Anyways, now to the important stuff; i'd like to point out to at least 4 of you who say that they wont be able to retrieve you from the past after your dead, well dumba**ses, i'm sure they could retrieve you before you die(being in the future and all), which they clearly state on the website.

I'll be back to talk later, bluntly, A.Milton
Posted by Alex  in  canada  on  Wed Apr 20, 2005  at  11:36 PM
I think you are all being a little harsh on these guys. They make it quite clear on the website that $1 will be invested in the fund, another $1 will be invested in a seperate fund for potential legal costs etc, and the remaining $8 goes to the (openly) profit making company that runs the site - although let's face it, huge profits are not likely. (and for those of you who think $1 is pittance, it is true that compound interest over a large amount of time is breathtaking - ask Motley Fool. They only need to beat inflation by a fraction to accumulate wealth over thousands of years).

What they are doing is funny, interesting and thought provoking. It raises interesting moral and philosophical questions. It is also not necessarily impossible (I loved the comment by Posted by Mike on Thu Aug 19, 2004 at 10:18 PM - he has recently heard that time travel is impossible back to before time travel is invented! Well, that's that then, Mike has heard!)

People who think this is rot should read a few books on quantum mechanics and even Einstein's theories, none of which rule time travel to be impossible. (Try: 'The Elegant Universe' & 'The Fabric of the Cosmos' by Brian Greene - a little more qualified on the subject than 'Mike'). (Or for those of you who have heard of Carl Sagan, see this interview with him: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/time/sagan.html).

I'm not saying time travel IS possible, just that it might be and there is nothing (NOTHING) in current theories to rule it impossible.

And the Time Travel Fund is open about where the money goes. Give them a break and let a little imagination and wonder into your souls!
Posted by DB  in  UK  on  Wed Jun 01, 2005  at  11:22 PM
Ummm, it works.
Can't tell you how I know, but if you look hard enough for the Time Travel conventions that have had 1000s of people show up when the advertisments for them aren't done til the future... Heard about one on the CBC a month and a bit ago... The news article was the first mention of it outside of someones secure safe.
Amazing what can be accomplished.
Posted by Ender  on  Wed Jul 06, 2005  at  04:56 PM
Also if its a scam its a damn creative one. You really get 5$ back from Paypal for signing up too..
So for 5$ you can pay some very creative people. Whats wrong with that?
You all spend more on crap Hollywood DVDs that do nothing for you life beyond entertain you for 1.75 hours. Or More on cigarettes in 2 days if you smoke.
Its about as much as eating a McD's meal, and you get the cool "sci-fi" fan certificate.
Who paid for the Star Wars ep.s 1-3 even though they were all garbage... Good special effects, but bad acting and bad stories... But are the 3 movies worth what you've spent on them? That they were made out to be good is a bigger hoax than a creative site thats enjoyable to read.
I haven't signed up, I dont work for them, I just found the site enjoyable and find the people who feel they have to criticise everything they don't understand are morons.
Read up on the potentials for M-Theory, I'd start with the Elegant Universe Nova DVD and Book. Look into the hyper dimensional physics research too... Scientists are divided on this topic but enough think its more than possible...
My interest in the Time Travel Fund comes from my writing sci-fi stories, its a neat thing. I apprieciate the work they put into it.
I'm also going to sign up. Just for the fun of it and that it pisses off closed minded sorts like a bunch of the commenters on this site seem to be.
Posted by Ender  on  Wed Jul 06, 2005  at  05:07 PM
greetings, this is tim and tom. we are from the future, the year 2043. We have just travelled back to 2005 to visit some relatives, and are just saying hi, and that these guys are liers. They cannot travel back in time, only we can. Soon after we invented a time traval machine, we patented it, rendering the technology innacesable to them.

Cheers
Posted by Timtom  in  the future  on  Mon Oct 31, 2005  at  07:14 PM
Here is my theory on time travel, and yes, I know I am posting over 1 year from the origional post.

I used to believe that time travel is impossible. There really is no way to send things through time. For example, where is the logic behind me going back in time, telling myself not to go back in time to tell myself not to go back... If this happened, then how would I go back in the first place. Therefore the entire universe would be trapped in an infinate loop, and would remain so even without me finding myself in the past, because even moving 1 partical in the past would change the flow of energy in the future.

So therefore, there in no way that time = 4D and is set before it happens, because then we would be able to change it, but how can you change a preset sequence? So time is not set, it is not even an object, and nothing that happens is recorded. Time is just something that humans feel but it is not really there. The only way that time travel could ever happen is if a computer simulation of the earth could calculate what the earth would be like if a certain thing happened, and then amazingly powerful machines would convert the earth into enrgy, and then convert it back into matter in the requested image. But I don't see how doing this could possibly bring back an entire person. The only way to do that would be to clone them (which is already illegal). Would you pay to be cloned? I say keep them on your site with no explanation. Lets see them trying explain to a judge the perose of this service and how it works. Well, I would have said that if only I could go back 1 year ago and post this message then -> Maybe I'll pay mt $10 with an order for them to make me find this page 1 year ago and post this message to see what happens..
Posted by Sids  on  Wed Nov 09, 2005  at  05:13 PM
Hi Sids,

>where is the logic behind me going back in
>time, telling myself not to go back in time to
>tell myself not to go back... If this happened,
>then how would I go back in the first place.

This assumes there's only a single time line.

Unless you can disprove multiple time lines and all the alternatives that have the same affect, this is just another one of the many unresolved paradoxes raised by the potential of time travel.

You make several other assumptions like this.
Posted by James  on  Fri Nov 11, 2005  at  07:48 PM
One thing I
Posted by Marshall  in  USA  on  Thu Dec 29, 2005  at  03:53 PM
The location of time travel has no bearing on the possibility of time travel. According to current scientific knowledge, there is no way for backwards time travel to work, whether you go back to meet your uncle or somebody on the other side of the universe.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Dec 29, 2005  at  04:20 PM
Hey I am a registered user on Time Travel Fund and it started off as simply a joke, a $10 donation to get a plaque, a nice conversation starter. But I have done a little bit of research and it just so happens to turn out that over 700 of the users have become missing persons. This makes me wonder, could this $10 joke really turn out to be true? If so my $10 was well spent and if not then who gives a shit its $10.
Posted by jeff  on  Sat Nov 25, 2006  at  05:24 PM
I think time traveling might be possible but according to most scientist it is more likely that humans wil be able to travel to the future than to go to back to the past.
Posted by karenmolina  in  california  on  Mon Dec 11, 2006  at  01:18 AM
another similar site, again not a hoax they say as they have donated monies to time-travel-research (more than time-travel-fund did).
Posted by lynn garner  in  uk  on  Sat Jun 23, 2007  at  05:44 AM
The Time Travel Fund is definitely 100% a scam.Do not buy into this.Warn your friends and family to stay away from this
Posted by Inuyaroolma  in  Bahamas  on  Wed Jul 11, 2007  at  06:44 PM
To Whom It May Concern;
A website that is called ''The Time Travel Fund'' that is scamming people out of $10 a head and it is a total fake invented by someone to get rich off of gullible people.To better explain it here is the weblink that you can click on:

http://www.timetravelfund.com/


and here is the name and address of the ring leader:

Wayne Quigley
PO Box 1165
High Point, NC 27261

Please stop these people from swindling innocent people any further.
Sincerly,
Inuyaroolma(A Concerned Person)
Posted by Inuyaroolma  in  Bahamas  on  Thu Jul 12, 2007  at  02:22 PM
Thanks for the warning, but other than personal opinion, what proof do you have of that. Thanks.

I don't mind parting with $10 for a bit of fun.
Posted by Justin F.  in  Australia  on  Thu Jul 12, 2007  at  02:41 PM
All I can say is - thank god he posted the exact same link that was already posted in the topic header.
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Thu Jul 12, 2007  at  03:45 PM
Inuyaroolma.
I know Wayne Quigley. Wayne Quigley is a friend of mine and you, sir, are no Wayne Quigley.

Lighten up! The site is tongue in cheek. If you read it in it's entirety you will see that it makes no guarantees and is clear about what you get for your $10; A cool looking certificate and a lottery-ticket-like dream of a life in the future.
Posted by Scott in NC  in  High Point NC  on  Sat Jul 14, 2007  at  03:04 AM
I can assure you that this is a real scam. I know this Sydney Wayne Quigley, Sr. and let me tell you, this certificate that he prints out to mail to the idiots to support this fund only cost like $2 to do - how ever much he pays for the "acid-free paper" and his printer ink. So, what really happens with the other $8 that is being contributed???????? Hmm, well - he is laughing all the way to the bank and investing it in real estate. Don't believe me......Google his name, Wayne Quigley and you will see for yourself. Please don't by into this stupid time travel hoax. Maybe it worked in Back to the Future, but that's Hollywood for ya.
Posted by Spongebob  in  High Point, NC  on  Wed Feb 06, 2008  at  04:19 PM
Ok, Spongebob, what is your real name and how do you 'know' me? Or do you prefer to hide your identity because you are too much of a coward to come forward and identify yourself? You didn't even spell my name correctly.
I have been completely open and honest about both the site and my identity. I have nothing to hide. If I were running a scam I could have easily had used a different name to register the domain, or even used domain cloaking to hide myself. But I didn't. Just because you don't think something can be done doesn't automatically make those trying scammers. Were the Wright brothers scammers when they built their airplane? No, they had a dream, and they ignored the nay sayers and look what the result of that dream is today.
In my experience those who try to tear down the dreams and accomplishments of others do so because they themselves are incapable of accomplishing anything, and they do this in order to justify their feeble existence to themselves.
Yes, I have multiple websites. Who doesn't these days?
One of them offers completely FREE jigsaw puzzles - you don't even have to register or give me your name or email address. A scammer would ask your e-mail address so they could spam the heck out of you.
So, Spongebob, squeeze the water out of your pants and come clean. Who are you? And what have you accomplished lately?
Wayne
Posted by Wayne  in  High Point, NC  on  Tue Mar 25, 2008  at  11:16 AM
Hi guys,

Its Jesus here, ye thats right.

It was the night of the last supper, one of my good mates got me pissed up on red wine and we were chillin out in the yard. He told me about some time travel fund he found out about down the local. Being out my face at the time and knowing my death was imminent the next day, I filled out the paperwork and sent it off with the 10 Donkey fee.

Lets just say one minute I was stuck in a cave half alive after being in the cross and the next thing the bloody rock rolled out the way.

That was it, I was cast into the future. To the year 2008 infact where I am now. I currently live just outside of Wiggan in the UK in a nice 2 Bedroom semi detached with my Wife sheryl and 3 kids, Wayne, Robert and Shaneka.

Anyway, seriously sign up. Ask yourself WWJD? $10 is shit all.

One,

Jesus
Posted by Jesus  on  Mon May 12, 2008  at  02:37 PM
well tnx a lot for this post i found it realy helpfull.
tnx agian.
Posted by chen  in  fl  on  Wed Jun 11, 2008  at  07:30 AM
so is it a fake or not? Will I be coming back or not? wink
Posted by Majorca  in  UK  on  Mon Jul 07, 2008  at  11:34 AM
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