In the debate about the
Shroud of Turin, perhaps the strongest argument that the pro-Shroud side had going for it was that no one could figure out how a medieval forger could have created such a thing. How could the forger have etched a three-dimensional photo-negative image of a crucified man onto a piece of linen? Nathan Wilson has pretty much demolished this pro-shroud argument by showing that it would have been quite easy for a medieval forger to have done this. All he (or she, but probably he) would have needed is some white paint, a large piece of glass, and a piece of linen. You paint a figure of a man on the glass, place the glass over the linen, and leave it out in the sun for a couple of days. The sun then bleaches the material, thereby transferring a three-dimensional photo-negative image of whatever was painted on the glass onto the linen. It's one of those things that seems so obvious when you think about it, and answers so many questions about the shroud, that it has to be the solution. And yet it's taken centuries for someone to figure it out. Wilson has a great (and quite detailed)
article in Christianity Today explaining how he went about solving the mystery. There's also a shorter article about Wilson's 'shadow shroud' on
discovery.com. Finally, check out Wilson's website:
shadowshroud.com. The thumbnail shows a shroud-of-turin replica that Wilson created using his method.
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You're telling me that the image this guy made should be identical. Maybe it will be, in about 700 years. You cannot sit there and tell me that the shroud is impervious to the effects of nature.
This man has proven that it could have been done at the time specified, with the avaliable materials.
So you're saying that if I believe in proven facts, that I will automatically take it on faith that you have "a statue to sell me". That makes no sense whatsoever.
And anyway, MY whole point had nothing to do with any of this. MY whole point was simply the fact that you were wrong when you said that bricks do not fade.
Years ago, the actual sites of the tomb and crucifixtion were disputed by the Methodist Church, mainly because Protestantism didn't exist when the sites were preserved. For some time, their claims had a bit of validity, but now have been debunked.
For those who believe, regardless of what church you attend, remember - It's about faith, not proof. Do you need a Shoud of Turin to believe? Look a bit deeper - I don't think you do. As for those who claim to be atheists, I can only wonder why they would take the time to disprove something that they don't believe in.
Happy Easter to All,
Mac
"Sub: The Final Chapter"
"on your three questions."
It was FOUR. FOUR! Learn how to read, you total fool.
1.) Templar Treasures. And you addressed this where?
2.) The Lost Whip. And you addressed this where?
3.) Body Movement While Crucified. And you addressed this where?
4.) Burst Of Energy. And you addressed this where?
"And lastly, I have always said that the Shroud is not a 14th century forgery and have never said anything explictly or implictly in contradiction of that." - Christopher Dumbass
Good for you. You stuck by your uninformed opinion. Congratulations.
I was going to respond by re-posting all of your stupid comments. It seems that I don't have to, as you consistently prove yourself an idiot without my help (just check the 'etiquette thread' you posted.)
Your entire argument now consists of "I don't know how it was done, and this is the easy answer, so I'll just accept it. I don't have to answer questions. You just have to believe my crap which is based on absolutely nothing but my own supposition."
I can guarantee that I will not respond to you again in this thread.
Don't even bother to respond to this, it's just too much of a pain in the ass to bother reading your drivel again and again to find that you have nothing to say, especially about what was asked. Perhaps if you had answered what was asked, this could have been a half-decent debate.
As it turned out, it was the equivalent of asking someone questions about water conservation, and getting a long and made-up history of how ice actually shrinks when you freeze it.
2) The whip - I said long ago that I couldn't find a reference. I can make a chain of logic to support my point but I doubt you would understand it or pay attention. However, just in case: The Fall of the Western Roman Empire is dated to A.D. 474. Prior to that, increasingly from A.D. 382 the Romans used mercenarry barbarian warbands as part of the army. These bands used their own equipment and tactics. Even if the Roman army used the whip to A.D. 474, that still leaves a gap of almost 900 years when it would not have been used. KNowledge of the whip, its use and design would have have been lost among the general loss of knowledge during that time.
3) The movement of the body on while undergoing crucifixition shows knowledge that a 14th century artist would not have had. There hadn't been crucifixitions for at least 900 years and probably more - the emperors after Constantine were, with one exception, Christian and it would have been considered blasphomous to continue the practice.
4) Science has not investigated the possibilities suggested by the preliminary investigations of the Shroud because science "knows" it can't happen just as science knew that the speed of light was infinite, space was composed of ether, the universe always existed, the sound barrier could not be broken, etc. It would appear I have a more open mind than you.
http://www.livescience.com/history/050318_reason_turin_shroud.html
Spend your whole life walking around acting and looking like a gullible idiot, JUST IN CASE there's an afterlife. Just in case, we should waste what life we KNOW we have, doing what some perverted institution has decided so that they can control you and have access to your wealth to make theirs!
As far as figuring out the whole process, my no brighter than average daughter figured out that the sun bleached out the curtains in the shape of the window, when she was 5 years old. Any doubters left?
I figured out this alternative method within the first sentence mentioning glass. Maybe 5 seconds. A couple brighter people surely could of pulled this off. The monetary gain at the time must of equated to tens of millions.
What happens when you peel an orange?
Try it.
Wrap a piece of cloth over a basket ball.
Paint a face on it. Now lay the cloth flat.
My goodness, look how distorted that face is!
People are so stupid sometimes.
As for the experimental copy not being "thin" enough well, all I can say is No Sh!t Sherlock, it hasn't been manhandled for hundreds of years. In a few centuries time it will most likely have been worn off enough to be thin enough.
More myths from the pulpit of lies me thinks.
They were tested to 12th century also the type of weave used in the cloth was not invented till around then. It is a FAKE.
Like the scull of John the Baptist forensic experts identified it as a young boy.
God Bless