Prebirth Experiences

I had what I thought to be a pre-birth memory. I met Sarah Hinze and she only believes the pre-birth memories that fit into the little mormon mold. I am sure now my memory was a genuine because of things I shouldn't have known along with historical events of things that happened in another part of the world. I shouldn't have known this.

Hi Eric,

I believe you. I just recently found a website which contains stories much like my own, i.e. like my experience that I have described on this website (see link below). Why don't you tell us what you remember and felt? I'm not sure we will convince Cranky Media Guy, but I would be facinated to hear about what you remember.

http://www.beyondreligion.com/su_personal/pbe-index.htm

Thanks,

Chris

Oh, this should be good.

No it won't be good because posting it is a waste of time and energy. It is also just my imagination. Was that good for you?

Are you making fun of us?
😕

Hi Eric,

If it was just your imagination, that is fine. I just asked you to further elaborate on your experience because you wrote previously that were "sure" your "memory" was "genuine."

I'm describing my memories, and not my imagination. The website I posted above contains accounts very similar to my memories, and no one can explain that. I just recently discovered the website, within the past few weeks.

Hi Ai ..

Cranky, I'm sure you have something to say about this one!

Eric Mitchell said:

"No it won't be good because posting it is a waste of time and energy. It is also just my imagination. Was that good for you?"

You seem angry. Why? Because I disagreed with a completely unproven theory on the MUSEUM OF HOAXES WEBSITE?

Chris said:

"The website I posted above contains accounts very similar to my memories, and no one can explain that."

Consensus is not the test of veracity. Once upon a time, many people believed the Earth was flat; their stories would have sounded rather similar, too. Did their sincere belief in a flat Earth make it so?

No I am not making fun of anyone. And no I am not angry. I know it is hard to tell on these postings if someone is angry or not but I am not angry in the slightest. What I meant by

Hi Eric,

thanks for wriitng back. You have a very broad defintion of imagination, and some interetsing points. I haven't developed ideas to the extent that you have about imagination, but they are interesting. To be simple, I went to the Merriam-Webster dictionary for basic definitions. I used the third defintion of memory.

Imagination:

The act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality.

Memory:

A particular act of recall or recollection.
An image or impression of one that is remembered
<fond memories of her youth>. The time within which past events can be or are remembered <within the memory of living men>.

No doubt Cranky Media guy dismisses my memories as imagination. However, despite extensively describing how imagination influences our reality, you still state you had a pre-birth experience, and while you have decided not to describe it to us, I will still count it as one.

...and Cranky, yes, I do believe the earth is round, and you believe it is flat. I'm betting someday you will believe it is round too. Just think how hard it was for those first scientists who suspected the earth was round, to be among all of those people who believed the earth was flat. I am one of those present day scientists, and now you know how I feel!

Yes that is why I used the word imagination because reality is far grander than we know and there is a unity of all things that trumps any monotheistic concept. To simply observe something changes the probability wave which appears to stem from that which is non-local and also non-duel. The Buddhists call it emptiness. With emptiness there also is the ability to create. There is also karma another aspect of the ability to create and is also needed to perceive. To be able to create means that there has to be a point where one can reestablish contact with the root which is unity which is quite beyond the perceptions of language concepts and ideas. Light is also a medium through which communication can occur, bypassing ordinary language by which to communicate which in vajrayana one would call clear-light or lotus born. So being born into the light as light one has both individual sense to perceive and is connected through the light with interlacing dimensional levels that is really infinite in potential and growth and is far grander than any love we can conceive of within the framework of duality. I really don

Chris said:

"Just think how hard it was for those first scientists who suspected the earth was round, to be among all of those people who believed the earth was flat. I am one of those present day scientists, and now you know how I feel!"

Science finds things out by TESTING. The Earth was proven to be round by people who actually sailed around it.

What verifiable testing have you done to PROVE that your "memories" of the ancient past are anything other than the product of an active imagination?

Chris

I still haven't read what your remembering because I couldn't find a prebirth link on the site you sent me to. What is the URL to yours?

when I say imagination I am talking about only mine and in general. I am not making a judgement on another persons accounts.

Hi Eric -

I wrote my account on this website on page 2.
The link I mentioned above is of other people's accounts. What is common in many pre-birth accounts, and what I actually remember, is not having a body, or having a spiritual body, being around god and feeling unconditional love, communicating- usually with telepathy - with guides or angles, seeing a book of future life events displayed like a running movie, or seeing future life events on holographic-like screens, discussing your future life events with the guides, having your memory erased (I resisted), entering a dark cave or tunnel, and traveling to earth to be placed into a fetal body.

Hi Eric (cont.) -

I have had no near death experience, However, but those who do, ofen recount going up to "heaven" and seeing their past life reviewed and discussed.

To me, this is a very complex "dream", lets say, of the imagination. Most people have had dreams of flying, some have had dreams of being stuck or crawling through a shaft, or dreams of having a test and not studying for it, or scary dreams or nightmares. I have had all of these. But for so many people to have the similar "dream" of a pre-birth experience, and believe they are actual memories, is truly bizarre.

Hi Eric (cont.) -

Thank you for describing your experince, Eric.
Cranky, I simply cannot defend worldwide religion, but you realize that even the basic tenets of Christianity hold there is life after death, in some other realm. If there is not, we are all just products of evolved chance on this rock, and there is nothing after this life becasue sciecnce cannot prove. Even so, the molecular forces that bind ataoms together to fom molecules and amino acids do so amazingly by "chance." Or was it by design? So, Cranky, I simply cannot just let you believe in such a dead end concept. I meant that I'm a present day scientist, and I really am. Science doesn't and cannot explain everything.

Hello Chris

I read your memory thank you for sharing that. Your memory has many similarities with my own. Also, I would like to ask media guy if he has heard anything regarding the results of NDE tests. That is the tests where objects are placed high in the room with a word or letters for the subject to report after an NDE. When I was in my 20s I decided that I was going to meditate 3 to 4 hours a day not all at once but 1.5 to 2 hours in the morning and 1.5 to 2 hours in the evening which I pursued for several weeks. My reasoning at the time was to bring more of the experience into the physical world so that I could have the best of both worlds. I would start by stepping outside of myself and at first looking at myself and then move around the house and try to see things as they happened around the house or outside or down in the other house.

Then I would picture myself at some place and would energize the experience in my mind feeling that this was exactly what I should be doing at this time. The result was that I soon had complete control over my dreams and could visualize anything that I wanted. One morning I woke up or so I thought I woke up and was standing several feet above the floor. When I looked at my feet I was wearing a white robe made of light. It seemed so real like I was awake I could see my body sleeping and floated through the window and across the yard. My uncles dog looked at me funny cocking his head from side to side as he was tethered to the cherry tree. I floated past him and stood in the living room to the house down below as my Father and Uncle were talking. I could hear every word they were saying and what they were wearing. My Uncle was peeling and cutting potatoes to fry up while my Father was talking about a lady who he thought was after the property and how he disliked her and so forth. I decided to wake up and see if this was really occurring got dressed as fast as I could and ran down to the other house. The dog was sitting in the exact same spot and my Uncle was cooking potatoes in the skillet with the peelings sitting in the sink. They were both dressed in the same clothes and my father was wearing the same thing while wearing the jacket I saw him in talking about the same subject. I told them both about the strange occurrence but I don

Eric,

Thank you for your message. Two things. First, I totally agree with you when you wrote: "I am all for science and looking at things scientifically without trying to work the blinders of a religious belief systems into the equation because trial and error will someday reveal a deeper understanding." I'm having a hard time explaining this to Cranky. Also, when I was very young, I do remember seeing events occur with my mother and grandmother, and to be "floating" around the room, and view certian events before I was born. None of this made sense, until a year or two ago, when I read about pre-birth accounts ofrm others, and how the theory goes, i.e. that the spirit/soul is only loosely associated with the fetal and neonatl body, and can sometimes float outside of the body. As we age, we are more grounded in the material world, and this ceases to happen. So , I totally believe that your experience happened.

Eric, (cont.)

Cranky, I won't ever be able to convince you, but by his writing, one can tell that Eric is intellegent and reflective. So am I (I just don't always proof read my typing). I don't believe in UFOs, haven't been abducted by aliens, have never seen a ghost (I have run into a few demons however, in human form - ha ha), and I do understand the scientific method. What I'm trying to say is - it is not too uncommon to run into people who have had such pre-birth experiences and memories. Granted, consensus doesn't prove something, but even science, when it doesn't have the answer, progress based on consensus viewpoints. Theories often have to be totally corrected, and do a 180 degree turn. It is through the process of discovery and collection of new data that hypothesis are validated or disproven. To this end, I have told my account of a pre-birth experience on this website. I say with complete honesty that I wasn't imagining anything. These are memories that I have been aware of for 34 years. I have an excellent memory too, and 12 years of post high school education. To say the least, my good memory got me where I am today. The pre-brith experience issue needs further scientific study before it is totally dismissed as a hoax.

I don't think it matters if someone believes or not in anything so long as we treat others with respect. I guess UFO's are another matter which I do believe in as well having seen one when I was 12 with my whole family up close. It was April 22nd 1974 and the craft landed on top of a flat mesa south of Ione, CA. we were extremely close to the craft and the diameter of the craft was nearly 100 yards. To large to fly the way that it did and I don't think we had anything with that kind of technology that could jump from one spot to another and emit a static electric field that you could feel.

"Also, I would like to ask media guy if he has heard anything regarding the results of NDE tests. That is the tests where objects are placed high in the room with a word or letters for the subject to report after an NDE."

Yes, I have heard about those experiments. My understanding is that no one was able to say what the word was after an alleged "NDE."

"To large to fly the way that it did and I don't think we had anything with that kind of technology that could jump from one spot to another and emit a static electric field that you could feel."

Ball lightning perhaps? If you misjudged your distance from the object, you might well have misjudged the size of the object. Happens all the time.

Yeah I thought I heard about them conducting the NDE test some time ago did a search recently to see what the results were and couldn

We watched it for a good 10 to 15 minutes and we had quite a line of cars that stopped on the side of the road behind us we were the first. The craft started building its engines up to a degree where I could feel a static electric field. The dog at that moment started barfing all over the back seat and I was ordered by my father to clean it up. Although, I don

Well, it has been quite a discussion. I think that this is one of the goals of this website, and I like this website for that reason. I did see a UFO once too, and I think people do see UFOs. I'm just not convinced they are really of alien origin. Incidently, as you probably know, science keeps telling us that there are many earth-type planets in the galaxy, some of which may contain life. I'm sure it is just a matter of time before that alien life is confirmed. Of course, humanity on this planet has to survive long enough for that to happen. Life certainly is a mystery, and science does try to logically explain it. As advanced as we are in some areas, we actually know very little. While some people believe that there is nothing more after death, and we are simply evolved primates, so our self- important egos and philosophies don't really matter, (which may be true) I prefer to think that uniquely human characteristics, like honesty, didn't simply evolve by chance, but they did. Simply amazing if they did. Maybe mankind has something to offer the universe after all. If it were not for my pre-birth memory to always refer to, I can easily see the other viewpoint, that there is nothing more than what is in front of us now. Ultimately, each one of us needs to consider his or her own experiences and come to some sort of conclusion about life's meaning, life after death, and the universe itself.

Cranky Media Guy

I do not agree with some of your logic.
What do you think the human spirit dose in a premortal xistence before it becomes mortal at prebirth on earth.
Pull your head out of the sand man.
I too have had a prebirth expierence and am documenting my own with drawings of places and things that I've seen and done.
I do not want to hear you tell me I am wrong.
Heaven dose exist my friend
There is war damage laying all over the grounds where I was at in heaven.
And I have never been out of the united states in this life.
I do not read books on such things either as they are all man made items.
I believe in what I can see and touch and feel Emotionly.
That to me in its self is proof that heaven is real.
The broken stones broken columns were real by touching them by falling over them.
The spiritual body has the same ability that the mortal body has when the spirit body and the mortal body come together.
As one.
My own drawings are based on real life memory.
We have all lived another life before coming to earth.
Read your bible man pull your head out of sand
Join the living with a little dialogue.
Not disbelief.
Prebirth exspierences are real.
As real as carrieing a bucket of water and falling in it.
That is how real prebirth to premortal memorys are.
Joe

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your message.
I agree with you.
Cranky Media Guy, any comments?

Exactly what is it you'd like me to respond to, Chris? A

Cranky

Hi There
You say my prebirth memories are not real.
Question
Why do you believe such a thing.
Expierence can not be documented on earth with out skeptisisum by others.
Joe's Prebirth Expierence:
I find my self with memory intacked and the size of a full grown adult falling through the clouds as if I were an angel that Had been stripped of his wings during flight and during my constant fall through the clouds and the heavens them selves.
I find my self shrinking in size I see god sitting on his thrown talking to a small boy in tears and I am landing on a walk way in heaven with hand rails on both sides of it.
I find my self going through a tunnel with brown walls in it and a hard floor in it all lit up as the light is flooding through the high windows its self.
And I am being draged to the end of this tunnel beyond my control feet first message given me; Gods voice to me.Now go forth and teach the people of these things that you see and do here.And are a part of here so that the people might believe.
I fall through the clouds below me and I see war damage of old every where below me and buildings destroyed all around me.
I see a pile of downed columns where I land wrong twisting my ankles hurting them.
The door way other side of columns is in a wall of brick blacked out forbidden to me to enter.
Others are entering never to be seen again I'm next to a small boy going with him.
In life on earth my brother 5 years older than me was born dead.
I base my story on touch, sensation, feelings of emotions, sadness, a true expierence of the sole and human body.
The human body obtains all of these things during birth from the spirit as both become one.
I do not use drugs and do not smoke.
Do not take strong drink.
I was born in heaven in gods image.
You want proof.
Your burden of proof is on your shoulders my friend
My proof here is the real thing, Touching tripping falling down.
The sensations brought on by touch in heaven hitting my knee on the columns trying to go around them is real to me.
Picking my self up off the ground is real.
Shrinking down to infant size is real
It made me very upset to have some one else cary me around 18 inches long unable to walk or run.

I'll repeat what I said before, Joseph:

"There's no particular trick to pulling something out of your ass (metaphorically speaking). It makes no difference how sincerely you believe in what you're saying. If I sincerely believe that the Earth is flat, I'm still wrong.

"Since Joseph is making assertions, the burden of proof is on him. He hasn't provided any proof whatsoever, there's no reason to take what he says at face value."

Cranky

Good luck in your faith
I am 53 years old.
You want documented proof
Get it some where else (BUB)
Believe what you want to believe.
It is a free country.
Flat my foot

Joseph, I have a strong memory of flying to the dark side of the moon under my own power. Once I arrived there, I ate Skittles with a family of blue kangaroos.

I'm so glad to see that you think that actual PROOF of things is silly and unnecessary. That means, of course, that you accept my story at face value.

You DO, right? I mean, you MUST. After all, I SAID it so that makes it true...just like YOUR story.

Thank you for believing me. Most people require PROOF of the fantastic before accepting it.

The only thing agrivateing enough to me is the following.
And body who dose not believe it is possible with out proof or documentation of such memories as my own.
Needs to do there own research in to the possibility That memories from pre birth to pre mortal is possible.
My own prebirth to pre mortal memories were very real to me.
You can not document what is in the brain with accepting it at face Value.
I all ways believed it was that every body believe in giving people a chance to speak there minds with out acuseing any one of being a hoax.
where Pre Birth memory is concerned.
I have to believe these memories are real
As I have a book Now go and teach the people listed at Amazon.com
with my drawings in it.
Publisher XLIBRIS
Thing is, Only person who can sincerely believe some thing is true.
Is the person stateing it so.
It is not for me to disbelieve other wise.
I look at it this way.
If you believe in Jesus Christ and Father in heaven.
Then your belief tells you in that manner just as Jesus did so.
If you truely believe in the lord then any thing is possible.
For you.
Don't let any one tell you other wise.
I base my own expierence on feelings of emotion, happynes, Sadness, touch, Sound, Speech.
hearing.
All of these things.
I will not ever document any thing about my story here of pre birth memories
As I do not believe that I should have to document it.
document my story is calling me a lier and a hoax.
Some thing I do not appriciate.
But every one is welcome to there own opinions.
in this life.
Joe

Computers

Computers are a fine thing to have.
But it makes it too easy to run other peoples beliefs down in to the ground and hurt there feelings.
I had to disown my fathers intire family to me.
Because of the bitter language and nasty words.
And the word hoax.
name calling to any one
There is no place in this life for name calling.
Advice to everyone.
Share your ideas and how you feel if you must.
but a word of advice here if you please.
The name calling and the ugly words if you will there should be no place for them to be allowed on line.
towards anybody.

Hi Joseph,

I believe you. Cranky is just that - Cranky.
It is difficult for some people to believe us, I guess. What they need to understand is that there is really no motivation or gain for us to lie about our pre-birth memories, or to create a hoax. We are just telling the truth about what we remember. I know you are telling the truth because of the way you described your memories - with emotions and sensations. I assume that your conversations were telepathic? Please answer that question for me.

Thank you,

Chris

Joseph and Chris, you both completely avoided answering my question. Do you or do you not believe my story? I've provided just as much evidence for it as you did for YOUR story. Therefore I can see NO reason why you wouldn't believe it.

By the way, you seem to think that you have to stress the sincerity of your belief in your story over and over. If you actually read what I've said, you would have seen where I explained that sincerity makes no difference.

It's not your SINCERITY I question; it's your veracity.

Cris

Hi

I believe your story as well is true.
But Cranky the media guy likes documentation of such story's.
He can check the Bible on my story and he will find that there was indeed a war in heaven if he even believes there was a god.
Most people I've spoken too in my life here where I live has asked that a book be written on my expierences before mortal life.
and that it be published.
I've even made drawings from memory to show what I have seen in heaven its self.
Your question was there telepathy
Yes, That is how I did communicate with others in the heavens.
I would look at them and just think of what I wanted to say to them.
And there was no verble talking mouth wise.
I've spoken english language all of my life.
Even in heaven.
This is hard for most to believe.
And I do not expect Cranky to believe it.
But I believe in my heart that I was an angel that fell from grace in heaven only to become a better person through the being born a mortal here on earth.
There was a blacked out door way there in heaven that was forbidden to me as a spirit person.
I was not allowed to enter it.
Cranky I hope that you can some day believe people on such maters when they talk about them.
but you want proof you want veracity.
Well believe what you like.
It is a free world to speak our minds and if you do not want to believe with out questions of proof.
Life as a premortal.
Read your bible more look in the dictionary in the bible under war in heaven.
Arch Angel Michael won the war against the devil and the devil was sent packing to earth's pit of fire.,
I refuse to offer any proof that you seek.
as I have no way to pick my brain for the proof you seek.
Read your bible more often.
Pre mortal existence
War in heaven
I had Jesus Christ come to me in October 09 2006
He had blue eyes and brown hair with reddish tint in it and a yellow light over his hair wounds in the palms of his hands.
Good luck.
My telepathy did hapen for me.
Through thought process not word of mouth.
Got to call it a night
Work comes early
JM

Cranky Media Guy

this one is to you sir.

what I am saying here to you is this.
I've had three seperate things hapen to me in my life.
one is born with prebirth memory in 56
2 Was a farm tractor wreck where I died of 90 percent injuries
And crossed over to the other side.
through the tunnel of bright light.
Take my word when I tell you this.
There is a gate to hell just on the other side of that tunnel for all to see.
I broke my lower back and broke my pelvic bone cross the middle and walked yet mind you a 1/4 of a mile for help on that broken pelvic bone after afew falls ofcourse.
I never knew I broke any bones in me.
On the other side faceing hells door way.
I could see a roaring fire all the way to the roof its self just beyond what looked like a bright white curtain.
I prayed to heavenly father to save my life from this hot fire blaise on the outer wall.
You talk about a man being full of fear.
I thought I was dead for sure.
I later came to know God as my father to me and not as god.
I have called him Father 3 seperate times begging him not to send me back here to earth.
But he wanted me to do a mission in my life when I got back to this life.
You could not prove to me I was dead.
I never even noticed I had left my body till I saw it covered up on the bed for dead.
You and me and Cris
We may not see eye to eye on any thing here .
but look at it this way.
God has put us all here on earth for a reason or one another reasons.
And I believe that is to help our fellow man kind in one way or another.
No I will not prove any thing to any one.
Not in my life time.
I don't believe that I should have to prove any thing to any one.
It is my god given right to know and understand and to believe things in my heart of hearts.
Ore birth story its self.
You have to have an open mind its self.
to know what is right from wrong stories wise.
And yes, I was an angel fell from grace in heaven.
in my prebirth memories.
But I can not offer you any documented proof.
It is only my word.
Against yours and everyone else.
Hopefully you may understand I am telling you the trueth here.
Pre Birth memory
Death from a tractor wreck
Jesus Christ Comes to see me.
What else is going to hapen to me I wonder all good I hope.

Good night
May all who reads this believe.
Joe

I would have to say that I agree with most of what Cranky is saying. Also, it really doesn't matter if anyone believes or not and the belief that it does matter can lead to psychological disorder and unhappiness. That is no joke there has to be balance in everything. I know from experience. We humans are subject to conditioning and we all have errors and that includes those with pre-birth memories. Long term belief systems like that can have a negative affect on ones psychological health. Sorry but I have to say that. That doesn't mean one can't investigate within their own mind but the mind can be tricky. The fact that everyone wants to tell their story and make everyone believe is evidence of a disorder and that includes myself. May we all find what we seek, but may it be balanced so that it does not interfere with life and may we all realize there are greater mysteries in the world to learn so that we may come to a deeper realization. Sometimes one has to take a break and come back to it later.

Yes sir

Even Prebirth memories of being in heaven before mortal life on earth can be ruff on a mear mortal person in this life we call Reality.
That is why I am telling my own story to who ever will listen.
In hopes that it may help others to deal with life in general.
My own case, I have gotten to where I even loose sleep over not being able to sleep at all.
Because my mind is constantly searching my own heavenly memories for answer's that will never be.
I am straight as an arrow thoughts wise.
But if a person lets such memories get to them and not deal with them.
there is no telling such memories could leed to in ones life if they do not accept them and learn to deal with them.
Because such memories will never go away.
I went to a doctor in oregon for the mind and told him about my memories.
And after a few sessions with him.
He told me to my face.
Sir you hate your daddy.
Who fathered you.
That was not the point, But it was his answer.
He told me that I was not crazzie either.
Said I was waisting both our time with doctor visits.
Sicolligy I think was his field of work.
My pre birth story is based on facts not made up.
But I will carrie a message with me till the end of time for me.
Given to me before I was born.
Message as follows Now go and teach the people of these things that you are a part of here and do.
So that they might believe.
end of message.
2 publishers tell me these memories are indeed religous.
publishers who publish books for aliving.
And are very picky about what they publish.
JM

Hi Joe,

Thanks for your message. I also remember that there was a war in heaven, and that I was a fallen angel. The thing is though, I wasn't directly involved with the war. Here is exactly what I remember: I was "called forth" by God. I remember being pulled out of some dark holding area. Even though I was very old, I could not remember much before I was called forth. I wanted to be with God right away, but 3 angels/spirit guides told me that I could not do that. I remember knowing that there had been a war in heaven, and that I was young or little (maybe as far as soul development goes?), and I hoped that I would not be punished along with those who caused the war. I may have just been associated with the wrong group. I remember being very upset and afraid about having to come to earth, because earth was very chaotic and crazy. Do you remember that? Also did you see any "life preview" before you came here? Jesus said to me: "Go forth my son, I will be with you." It is not a coincidence that God told you: "Now go forth and teach the people of these things that you see and do hear. And are a part of here so that the people might believe." As far as telepathy, Cranky will never understand it because he hasn't experienced it, or at least cannot remember that he has. You do think "in english" but more likely your thoughts would be expressed in other languages here on earth depending on where you were born and raised. Crank, I'm not avoiding the discussion. Lets be exact - you have no real memory of "flying to the dark side of the moon under your own power, and once you arrived there, you ate Skittles with a family of blue kangaroos." Nope -we remember angels with a blue glow - for real ! No psychopathology in that Eric ...

Joe - what is the title of your book?

Forgive me if I am lost and don't understand what your saying Joe. Are you saying that you are not a mere mortal?
What if ones memories are not Christian but Buddhist and one was the head of an school who died at the age of 29 in Buxa in 1960 which means refugee in Bhutanese. The lama remembers thousands praying for his return but he decides to change plans because he realizes that he can not really help others with his current understanding, breaking free of the blue wisdom orb traveling to the southwest and then the west into the center of the galaxy where there resides a great black portal with a tremendously great motherly presence and your mind is also tied in with every living thing on every star going through you like a laser lens into the center, but it is not pride but equanimity one feels and a debt to pay back. One enters the void and is reborn as light in a larger multi-dimensional universe where there is not a bearded man known as god but a holistic unity between every entity there with an evolutionary potential of infinity. When one comes back he is born to a Christian society in a Mormon family, in order to help others realize the same awesome potential within themselves. He remembers Friendship 7, the day he entered the womb born 7.5 months later during the Cuban missile crisis sees the Dalai lama on TV knowing who he was, knowing he was born in a foreign land where people dressed funny looking like the whole city lived in a circus and that there was a search party looking for him but that he would never be found. Then remembers seeing in his minds eye a festival in another land where they found this lama, and then remembers the JFK assassination at 13 months old.
Everyone has to float their own boat spiritually, it is really an internalized journey here. I have never met anyone in my 47 years who truly understood except for one lady who found me through a dream and she happened to grow up with and went to school with the Dalai lamas nephews. When I finally did make contact politics got in the way and went contrary to the religions ideology. But the lama I told knew because I revealed secret information in my letter to him and in his teaching he used every part of my memory written in the letter and stumbled upon his words as if he saw the devil. He left for 3 months after that traveling to India and got the inevitable marching orders from there. One can not directly tell another person how it is for every person has their own relative experiences. None of us understand the ultimate truth and we evolve to greater and greater understanding but in order for that to happen there has to be equanimity, otherwise how would one come to a realization of anything outside of their own understanding.
To be honest I don't see how I have benefited anyone by telling my story, it always falls on deaf ears. So I have to honestly ask myself if there is something I have missed.
sliver of the experience and pointless to elaborate.

Joe,

I ordered your book, "Now go and teach the people" from Amazon.com.

Also, I just joined a group at Yahoo.com, started by a cool guy named Roger. Here is the link:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/b4iwasborn/

Eric, it sounds to me like you were reincarnated, and certainly had some sort of existence before you were born. I don't see any problem with a Buddhist experience versus a Christian one. Your account of your experience above is very similar to the one you wrote months ago, and your story is consistent, so I am inclined to believe that you are telling the truth.

Joe, please tell me more about what you remember.
I'm facinated.

Yep, Cranky, check out Roger's website(s). These pre-birthers are really piling up everywhere!
After all, what are we to do with our time?
On the other hand, why would people take time to write a book (e.g. Joe), and develop websites and discussion groups on Yahoo (e.g. Roger), for no other reason that to just retell what they remember, if they didn't remember at least something??? Why are people from all over the world visiting this website, to discuss their pre-birth experiences??? Keep your server going and IS team up-to-date Cranky - there will be more pre-birthers on the way !!!!

Also - for the skeptics out there - I wrote the following on this Museum of Hoaxes website on Sat. Oct 18, 2008 at 02:11 PM (see page 3 of the comments):

I communicated telepathically - the beings weren't talking, but they were communicating with me - you may not understand what that felt like this until you experience it! And seeing from above earth - I was afraid to be born, and thought "I certainly don't want to go to that place!" Could you blame me?

Roger founded his group on Yahoo on May 4, 2009.
I never knew Roger or communicated with him at all, until October 6th, 2009. He didn't know about the Museum of Hoaxes website, and in fact I have just recently introduced him to it

Check out his website to confirm the above: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/b4iwasborn/

Roger wrote in May, 2009 the following:

Looking down I saw awful things, fighting and murder and such, I can't recall all the details but I do remember the last thing I saw was a mushroom cloud bellowing up. An older man with white hair, beard and mustache (who in my younger years I believed was Jesus) came to me and said, "It's time to go." I felt like I knew it was coming but I was hoping it wouldn't happen. I just could not believe after seeing all this, I would be sent there, I was distressed so much that my inside shook and tears flowed from my eyes.

Now for the skeptics - you can say it is all just coincidence, but what if we ARE telling the truth - what then ???

Sorry I made a mistake, i.e. my comments from Sat. Oct 18, 2008 at 02:11 PM are on page 2 (not page 3) of the comments, on this Museum of Hoaxes website.

Eric

Hi

Yes, I believe too that I was an angel in flight.
In heaven just before I came to earth.
I have not posted that part here yet.
My wife and I was talking 2 days ago about being angels before being born on earth.
And I had a sudden flash back of being still flying around in the heavens sky its self.
and yes, I got a glimps of very large white feathers on both sides of my shoulders All I know is these feathers were indeed bird like when I saw them.
These white tipped wings were coming from behind me.
So yes, I too believe that I was a fallen angel my self.
The sky all around me was like the sky we see here.
above us on earth.
I was out by my self in the midd air its self.
And no one was around with me.
I may be wrong But I don't believe that I was a part of the reason for the war ether.
I found a Bible that I did not grow up with.
It tells how the war started and why.
The arch Angel Michael fought the devil so I am told.
and Lucifer was banished from heaven.

My Book is Title: Now Go And Teach The People.
Author: Joseph A Murphy
Publisher: Xlibris Self Publishing.
Look in Amazon.com
Under Books.
Another book title Memoirs of Joseph
Published by Author House
It has a picture published for the book cover its self that I painted from memory.
I thought English in the beginning Eric
But try to understand this about me.
I never spoke a word of any language till I was 8 years old.
My voice was real screechy like a bird.
When I would try to talk.
And it sounded like my voice was coming from hebriew or arabic per the doctor dad took me too.
here in Texas.
I have to say that I still had my angelic voice that we spoke to god with.
In heaven.
Cranky I am sorry if you do not believe me here.
I assure you I'm not on any thing.
I truly believe that I was an angel in flight and had my wings taken away from me.
Just a quick note.
I died in 1981 and crossed over in to heaven and god spoke to me.
with surprise in his voice.
Oh its you.
what are you doing here.
It is not yet your time to be here.
You must go back I have yet a mission for you to perform.
Then it will be your time.
I begged father not to send me back to earth in 1981
and here I am.
Joe

To Roger

The part of my pre birth memory was in heaven that got me the most was when I seen God sitting in his large white chair.
He was talking to a boy standing in front of him.
Who was in tears and crying And i was watching them from the walk way that I had landed on from the heavens.
I am age 53 my self.
Getting people to believe that I recall seeing God in a chair then seeing Jesus Christ also in person.
When I saw Jesus Christ.
He had blue eyes and he had wounds all around his head and his hands.
And he had a angel like light on his hair that was yellow.
I think I am slowly getting my memory back from heaven.
But it still appears to be blocked at the Angel wings scene.
I am willing to believe that I was a fallen angel my self because of my memories.
My voice from 1956 to 1963 was screechy and a real very high pitched tone of voice that no one could stand to be around me as a child.
Doctors said that my voice could go back to what it once was.
But I believe that the voice I had was that of an angels voice
Bird like voice sound.
If you can remember hearing a bird in the trees haulering.
My voice was like that when I could not speak english instead I would be a screetchy voice haulering almost scream like voice.
I have sent a remake of my book to Xlibris for publishing as a replacement for now go and teach the people.

Its new title is Gods Angel Falls From Grace.
it includes 23 drawings done by memory.
Of what I saw in heaven.
I hope to have an angel on the front cover when it comes out.next year.
Joe

From Joe

My drawings done from memory has war damages drawed in to them as well in heaven.
Including a blacked out door way.
with war damage around it as well.
People ask me if I participated in the war.
I could have and not remember it.
I don't know.
Joe

Roger and new friends
Hi

I am saying I am a spirit person from heaven with no special powers of any kind.
Born in the womb of a mortal mother who was over weight.
And I remember being in the womb with an unborn mortal child about 8 pounds in weight.
and it was me.
I was looking at.
And after it was over with for the birth to take place.
The doctor held me in his arms and for a little bit even then I could hear this loud mouth baby screaming in my ears not knowing who it was.
I looked every where only to end up screaming my self.
It was me stuck in side of a shrunken baby born a mortal.
Did any of you ever notice your selves shrinking in size as you fell from grace or from heaven so to speak.
I too believe that one day even though not every one can recall pre birth memory.
I believe that one day when my time is over here on earth.
I too believe that there is a higher plain of exsistence or being that I will go too.
Jesus Came to see me in my apartment october 9 2006.
And he clearly told me that There was 3 seperate kingdoms in heaven.
Celestial Kingdom
Telestial Kingdom
Terrestrial Kingdom
All in heaven.
I may not have them in the right order though.
Celestial kingdom is where I believe we all came from coming to earth.
It is where God lives too.
it is a beautifull place.

Joe

Cranky Media Guy

I am sory sir
But I wish I could prove to you such memories for me are real.
But I can not prove any thing to you here with proof.
Other than quote the Bible to you from what it says.
But I don't feel that I have to quote some thing you may or may not believe when I say it.
all I know is this my friend.
the memories are real for me.
Sounds touch emotions pains all of it was real to me.
I was there in person.
And the man talking to me was gods voice and no other.

What can I say But that I hope you will have a open mind enough to believe one day.
Pre Birthers as some are saying are here to stay.
and we are getting more all the time.
Indigo's children as most are called.
My mortal father linnie told everyone I was special child to him.
Before he died.
1982.
He did not realize just how special his son was to him.
Before he died.

Joe

Cranky

My father linnie was 71 and half
died of cancer too many cigarets.

Joseph