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Piper Palin gives one-finger salute
A picture (top) has been doing the rounds showing Piper Palin, Gov. Palin's six-year-old daughter, apparently giving a boy the finger. Yes, it's a hoax. In the original (bottom), which can be found on the Alaska state website, it's clear that Piper has two fingers raised.



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Posted by The Curator on Mon Oct 06, 2008
And two is better because...?

I cant seem to find an image of it (oh no, the internet fails me) but when Bush Senior was in Australia during Gulf War I, he went past some protestors in his motorcade.
He gave the 'V for Victory' sign, but didnt realise that not reversing it(ie, knucle side out), that 2 fingers is as good as just one when it comes to giving someone the bird.(In Australia).
I always wondered just what the protesters thought when the USA President drives past your protest giving you the finger as he goes.......
Posted by AussieBruce  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  01:16 AM
I don't get the difference either, in the UK and Australia at least two fingers are just as offensive. It's hard to imagine by the look on her face what gesture she is trying to make in the real pic.
Posted by Caris  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  03:10 AM
Two fingers is just as offensive in the UK, it stems from the middle ages when the English archers used to taunt the French, showing they still had their shooting fingers, as the French would cut them off if they caught them.
Posted by mr royale  in  Bristol  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  04:29 AM
While she probably knows what one finger means, I am sure she is not that up on foreign gestures to know that '2 fingers are as good as one'.
Posted by Madd Maxx  in  New Orleans  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  07:50 AM
How do you know the Alaska State web site didn't airbrush in an extra finger?

Lots of embarrassing stuff about Palin & Company has been scrubbed from the Internet (a la "1984") since McCain's surprise announcement of his running mate (such as Bristol's baby daddy's MySpace page, to cite the most notorious example).

I'm not saying that's what happened with this Piper picture (I have no evidence one way or the other), I'm just saying it's a distinct possibility.

Anyway, all of this ignores the real issue with this picture: What the heck is the deal with that coat Sarah Palin has on here? She looked really different before the GOP's costume designers started dressing her, didn't she?
Posted by Big Gary  in  Victoria, Texas  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  09:39 AM
I'm sure Saturday Night Live could do something with this. Does Tina Fey have a daughter?
Posted by Captain Al  in  Vancouver Island, Canada  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  10:57 AM
If you look at the video footage, you can see that Piper is in fact saying 'Two beer, eh.' Don't ask me why she's speaking Canadian.

The supposed origin for the two-fingered salute is almost certainly hogwash, btw.
Posted by outeast  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  10:57 AM
I wanna know what's up with that coat too. I cannot avert my eyes from its hideousness.
Posted by Ostrakos  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  12:25 PM
Two is always better then just one!
Posted by Beasjt669  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  12:31 PM
I'm not sure why my comment from last night was deleted. I was simply making a joke about the younger Palin disagreeing with European integration via the bowfinger. It was a reference to The Sun's headline 18 years ago. Not only that, it's a pretty timely joke. I dispute this deletion by the historically ignorant website administration and will now repost last night's comment in full:

"Up Yours, Delors"

If I am again censored, I will make sad faces. Do you really wanna deal with sad faces? Didn't think so.
Posted by fuzzfoot  in  potland, or  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  01:09 PM
Two fingers is offensive in the UK but the story that it's based on the French threatening to cut off their fingers is an urban legend.
Posted by Mark  in  Cincinnati  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  01:51 PM
Who cares if two fingers is offensive in the UK? It's mostly meaningless in North America. Are we going to next start worrying about anyone outside of parts of Latin America (and perhaps elsewhere) using the thumb-forefinger-circle OK sign?
Posted by Joe  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  03:04 PM
I'm with Big Gary, I think the two-finger version is actually the phonied up photo. Look at Piper's face and the little boy's - the peace sign or "two" doesn't make any sense. Given that her mom is Sarah Barracuda - I'm sure she's seen that gesture before, many times.
I like Piper. She is my favorite - especially if she DID flip the bird at that little boy!
Those poor kids. Their mom is a wacko. Good thing she barely has any time for them or they could turn out just like her.
Posted by cswinst  in  america the beautiful  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  03:45 PM
What the heck is the deal with that coat Sarah Palin has on here?
- Big Gary

What? It's obviously a respectable Republican cloth coat. wink
Posted by Charybdis  in  Hell  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  06:47 PM
Charybdis, you're older than you look.

Republican, obviously.
Respectable? On what planet?
Posted by Big Gary  in  Victoria, Texas  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  06:59 PM
No matter what gesture she's making there, Piper sure looks pissed.
Posted by mynameisnotimportant  on  Tue Oct 07, 2008  at  08:59 PM
"Anyway, all of this ignores the real issue with this picture: What the heck is the deal with that coat Sarah Palin has on here?"

Damn, you beat me to a comment about the governor's coat.

I was hoping IT was the Photoshopped item in the photo.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy  on  Wed Oct 08, 2008  at  02:56 AM
I'm with the people who think that the bottom photo is photoshopped. You can see a knuckle which doesn't belong to the second finger, so does she have six fingers?
Posted by Mikkel  in  Copenhagen  on  Wed Oct 08, 2008  at  03:42 AM
One in several hundred people is born with extra fingers:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1070549/I-born-fingers-hand-reveals-Bond-Girl-Gemma-Arterton-startling-interview.html

I doubt that Piper Palin belongs to this group, however.
Posted by Big Gary  in  Victoria, Texas  on  Wed Oct 08, 2008  at  09:17 AM
I'm all good with making fun of any public official but keep the kids out of it. It is not their fault their parents choose this path. This picture isn't too bad but I remeber how people used to say how ugly Chelsea was or how people rip on the Bush twins for being regular college kids.
Posted by dply27  in  Denver, CO USA  on  Wed Oct 08, 2008  at  05:24 PM
I'd think that there ought to be a number of pictures of the scene, considering that it was a public appearance by a major person in American politics. The place must have been swarming with photographers. Where are the other photos taken around this same time showing what was going on? For that matter, there's probably video footage of it.
Posted by Accipiter  on  Wed Oct 08, 2008  at  06:16 PM
i gotta go with picture # 1 being the real one. that woman in the upper right seems to be looking at the kid with some disapproval.
Posted by johnny boy  on  Thu Oct 09, 2008  at  07:27 AM
As far as I know, two fingers backward like that is the same as one finger. Not that a 6 your would necessarily know that, but you never know!
Posted by M  in  DC  on  Thu Oct 09, 2008  at  01:13 PM
How do you know the index finger wasn't added to the original to cover up the her actually giving the finger?
You don't know for sure.
Posted by John  in  Boulder  on  Thu Oct 09, 2008  at  03:08 PM
Ah BUT negativity about their kids is fair gain when the parents go out of their way trying to show them as a positive. If they can be discussed in a positive light its only fair that they be able to be discussed to the contrary.
Posted by Tim  on  Thu Oct 09, 2008  at  04:31 PM
"that woman in the upper right seems to be looking at the kid with some disapproval."

The woman who I take to be the boy's mother/grandmother/whatever, though, is standing there smiling away happily at everything. Perhaps the woman you're pointing out is just being blinded by Palin's fashion sense?
Posted by Accipiter  on  Thu Oct 09, 2008  at  05:18 PM
Accipiter - How do you that the old woman in the picture isn't just a senile old lady who smiles at everything.
Posted by Madd Maxx  in  New Orleans  on  Fri Oct 10, 2008  at  06:12 PM
"Accipiter - How do you that the old woman in the picture isn't just a senile old lady who smiles at everything."

How do we know much of anything, given that it's a single still image of a single instant taken from a single angle?
Posted by Accipiter  on  Fri Oct 10, 2008  at  06:24 PM
I gave both pics to one of our geeks, and he came back with a rather quick reply that the 2-finger picture is the fake.

Oh, the story about the English archers giving the 2-finger salute to the french? Completely true. I have friends from both countries and they are all well aware of that historical insult.
Posted by Anthony  in  Anchorage  on  Fri Oct 10, 2008  at  08:24 PM
Our geek gave some further info...

If you save the picture from the AK state webpage and load it into a picture editor, you can see the pixels that were modified for the 2nd finger. You'll notice the rightside line of that finger has pixels in a perfectly straight line. You'll also notice shading differences where someone didn't get the colors to match perfectly.

We couldn't see any of that on the 1-finger salute picture. It looks unmodified.
Posted by Anthony  in  Anchorage  on  Fri Oct 10, 2008  at  08:29 PM
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