Status: Snake Oil
The makers of
MagneurolS·6 promise that this little pill has some remarkable properties. It will give you "the ability to plug into Earths complex magnetic fields" thereby enhancing your extra-sensory perception and psychic abilities. Of course, never mind that its ingredients are nothing that you can't find in any vitamin supplement costing far less than $49 a bottle. You won't care about such trivial matters once your sixth sense (S·6) has been awakened. One potential danger, however. When taking Magneurol, some users report that "they can 'feel' the radiation, or something like it, emanating from the [cell]phone where they could not do so before." Of course, with the psychic powers the pill bestows, you shouldn't need a cellphone. So that radiation won't be a problem.
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"we do have a part in our brain that subconsciously scans the environment 24/7 and this is one of the "6th senses" that we have, also it relatively easy to actually move the arrow on a compass even for a beginner, and moving a cup across a table is harder then actually lifting it thru esp,"
Oh? What part of the brain would that be? Can it be seen by a CAT scan or MRI? If not, how do you know it exists?
By the way, IIB, if you can move a teacup using only ESP [sic], there is a Million Dollar Prize just waiting for you to take it. Are you up to the challenge?
speaking of pills and muscles, how does the discovery of steroids back in 1930s come into play here? I can picture many narrow minded retards before the discovery giving the "no shortcuts, only hard work" speech.
"then a pill that may give psychic abilities finally after millions of years in creation is god"
Well, I wouldn't say believing in God is "crazy." I would call it irrational.
Your logic here seems to be "if something is crazier than the thing in question, then the thing in question isn't crazy." That doesn't make sense. There can be more than one "crazy" thing in circulation at once. Belief or non-belief in God has no relevance to the a pill that allegedly increases ESP. The pill is quackery, pure and simple.
Your logic is very flawed. What it seems to boil down to is the notion that because something, somewhere was doubted by people but later turned out to be correct, we should simply accept the reality of another, completely unrelated idea. That makes NO sense.
"But if Cranky were a neanderthal back them, him and his tribe would be trying to kill with the good ol' simple shaft and point."
Do you know ANYONE who doubts the efficacy of a pointed object as a weapon? What law of physics does that violate? The things I and others on this board argue with are ones which seem to violate known laws of physics and for which there is little or no evidence.
Time and time again, people like you come on here with this silly "argument" about how something, somewhere was doubted by someone and it later was proven correct, therefore the thing currently under discussion must also be real. Time and time again, we skeptics refute this false argument. Seriously, do you not see the fallacy in this line of thinking?
Yes, many years ago, a lot of people didn't believe that the Earth was round. Yes, we now know that the Earth IS round. That, however, in no way proves that Troy Hurtubise has invented a machine that can see through solid objects or that Sylvia Browne can talk to the dead or any of the other dubious things we discuss here. The burden of proof, now and always, is on the person who is proposing an extraordinary idea. In layman's terms, put up or shut up.
If things can do what their proponents claim, then they should be able to do those things under scientific testing. If they can't, there is NO reason for a rational person to accept the claims made for them.
The fact that other crazy ideas have been found to be true proves that the skeptic is ignorant if trying to do this.
The person who considers the possibility of it being true does have better chances of getting his genes passed on for a longer time.
The marketers of this pill are obviously playing on the claimed results outweighing the serious lack of proper scientific evidence and still generate sales.
The sales grow if word of mouth is positive and die if not. Worst case it's just an overpriced multivitamin.
It can take 3-5 years to properly test and get conclusive results on drugs. If some independent feedback would start to show up in significant amount and if it would describe spectacular effects (more than the effects of DMAE combined with B complex), that would keep me interested..
but there's nothing and time is against the magneurol team.
They may be well intentioned delusional people though, maybe Mr Peppin has listened to one too many of his brain entrainment tracks and has become too spaced out and got conned into marketting this thing.
"The point most skeptics fail to see is that they are the ones who are first to try to deny and to put an absolute and definite end to the proponent's idea without even looking at it closely. This is a mistake.
The fact that other crazy ideas have been found to be true proves that the skeptic is ignorant if trying to do this."
This is absolute nonsense. A thing can either do what is claimed for it or it can't. It's that simple. We're not failing to consider the claims, we're asking that they be tested. What isn't fair about that?
You would like us to accept the claims at face value without any evidence. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen. Nor should it.
What we believe is not relevant to whether the thing in question is real or not. It either is or it isn't and that can be determined through testing. I'll say it again: it all comes down to "put up or shut up."
It would be a good start for you to stop refering to yourself as 'we'. It's an open discussion so anyone in your gang can post independently if there is indeed anyone else.
Or maybe you're trying to give your statements more power by creating the illusion of having more people backing them up...
It is sad to see people who try to generalize beyond reason, this is a truly sad display of ignorance.
I wouldn't want to know what your girlfriend is like if you used the same criteria to pick her up... put up or shut up?!?!?
What happened to the razor? you dropped it and picked this new 'put up or shut up' gem.
It's people who have a serious problem that try to fit everything in a mold and basicaly apply the same criteria for everything. It allows them to minimize intellectual effort and just enjoy a state of vegetative bliss. Does thinking and exploring various possibilities cause you pain?
Wow!
What I realized is that you cannot even understand a statement unless it's in absolutes... The fact that other crazy ideas have been proved to be true does not automatically mean that the idea at hand is true. I doubt anyone implied this..
This simply proves that the possibility of it being true is real and that no ignorant criteria can ever deny it.
It would be a good start for you to stop refering to yourself as 'we'. It's an open discussion so anyone in your gang can post independently if there is indeed anyone else.
Or maybe you're trying to give your statements more power by creating the illusion of having more people backing them up...
It is sad to see people who try to generalize beyond reason, this is a truly sad display of ignorance.
I wouldn't want to know what your girlfriend is like if you used the same criteria to pick her up... put up or shut up?!?!?
What happened to the razor? you dropped it and picked this new 'put up or shut up' gem.
It's people who have a serious problem that try to fit everything in a mold and basicaly apply the same criteria for everything. It allows them to minimize intellectual effort and just enjoy a state of vegetative bliss. Does thinking and exploring various possibilities cause you pain?
Wow!
What I realized is that you cannot even understand a statement unless it's in absolutes... which is just another sign of deeply rooted ignorance. The fact that other crazy ideas have been proved to be true does not automatically mean that the idea at hand is true. I doubt anyone implied this..
This simply proves that the possibility of it being true is real and that no ignorant criteria can ever deny it.
Let me say this as simply as easily understood as possible. You are supporting claims which violate the known laws of physics. The burden of proof is on you. Without any actual scientific evidence that this pill works, there is NO rational reason to believe that it does.
As far as Occam's Razor goes, I've applied it correctly here. There are two possibilities in this case. The first is that someone has come up with a pill which,unlike any other pill ever invented, cam increase a person's ESP ability, something which has never been proven to exist in the first place and which, if it did, would violate the known laws of physics. The second possibility is that this pill is bullshit.
I vote for Possibility Number Two in accordance with Occam's Razor. Any thing else I can clear up for you?
I just cant help but notice you see the world in black and white and you cannot allow the minimal discomfort of a small possibility threatening your perfect world.
You are so OCD that you throw everything but the kitchen sink in just to make this possibility disappear.
You interpret people who consider this small possibility as people who promote the actual idea; this is a sign of paranoia. Unhealthy, especialy when signs of multiple personality disorder are also noticeable.
Just enjoy your overwhelming chance of being right and let time take care of the small possibility.
I dont encourage anyone to buy this product just in case anyone misunderstood my comments or read only Cranky's twisted interpretation.
Oh, I just remembered someone said something about nothing being in contradiction with the laws of physics only in contradiction with what we know about the laws of physics.
Do you claim to know everything? or do you think there is a scientist or a group of scientists that does?
These are rhetorical questions by the way, I dont expect you to answer...
One of the many many things I know is that people make all kinds of oddball claims for a lot of things and that most of them are B.S. One of those things is pills that can improve your ESP ability.
You seem to think I'm "closed-minded." I guess I should just accept the concept of flying pigs (or its equivalent) so that I'm not perceived as "closed-minded," but since I'm omniscient and all, I just KNOW that they aren't aerodynamic so I don't believe in them.
Hmm, maybe I should rethink this. OK, I've rethought it. From this moment on, I will accept at face value every cockamamie thing that anyone proposes just so that I can't be called "closed-minded" by anyone. There IS a God. Troy Hurtubise really DID invent a machine that can let you see through solid surfaces. Sylvia Browne CAN communicate with the dead. There WERE weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. I no longer require evidence of anything. If I want to believe it, I just do. Facts? Who needs 'em? Laws of physics? Bah. They just get in the way of believing in fun stuff.
As of this moment, I believe everything and doubt nothing, nor do I require that anyone prove anything, no matter how bizarre it might be. Wow, what a wonderful world I've just discovered. Where do I send my money for a lifetime supply of Magnuerol?
This is such a bullshit statement. Any claim whatsoever can fall into this category. As such, it has no meaning.
If you change the known laws of physics, then you have to prove it to us. Otherwise, we're entitled to completely discount your claims. If you don't like it, create a working set of physics of your own. One that stands up to repeated observation and experimentation like the one we currently have does, and also includes all we already know about how the universe works..
It's called 'being discriminating'. It means being able to demand proof, or at least evidence, before accepting something so extraordinary. It means not blindly accepting every crackpost theory you come across. Try it sometime.
Cranky media guy is by far the most ignorant person I have ever had the misfortune of coming across. There are a lot of things in this world that do not align themselves with scientific reasoning. It doesnt matter that pigs arent aerodynamic, neither is the bumble bee, according to physics there is no way for the bumble bee to achieve enough lift to get off the ground, yet it does. There is no way of explaining why the human brain, or any brain for that matter, can achieve thought. While science can prove that cells and neurons are stimulated and send and recieve messages, science has not yet been able to determine what starts the overall process.
Quantam Physics has determined that our universe does not function correctly. It functions according to a structure that has 10x the mass of what we are aware of. Which proves that we are not aware of everything.
I intend on either proving or disproving this product once and for all. In 8-10 business days I will have a bottle waiting in my mailbox. You will here from me then. With a money back garantee I have nothing to lose, except having to read through these idiotic comments from people who spend too much time watching movies like broke back mountain...
There are a lot of things in this world that do not align themselves with scientific reasoning.
And we discount those as well.
It doesnt matter that pigs arent aerodynamic, neither is the bumble bee, according to physics there is no way for the bumble bee to achieve enough lift to get off the ground, yet it does.
False. Science has shown perfectly well how that bee can fly. Try reading a science magazine instead of a new age one, for a change.
There is no way of explaining why the human brain, or any brain for that matter, can achieve thought. While science can prove that cells and neurons are stimulated and send and recieve messages, science has not yet been able to determine what starts the overall process.
True. Does this mean that every crackpot theory or snake oil being promoted is correct? Of course not. Just because science doesn't understand something doesn't mean that everything (for which there is no evidence whatsoever) is automatically true. What we do know about the brain and how it functions has been discovered using the scientific method. So, provide us some evidence that this pill works as promised.
Quantam Physics has determined that our universe does not function correctly. It functions according to a structure that has 10x the mass of what we are aware of. Which proves that we are not aware of everything.
Um, no. While there may be theories that suggest this, there is no one that promotes this as a true statement. Besides, what does this have to do with ESP?
I intend on either proving or disproving this product once and for all. In 8-10 business days I will have a bottle waiting in my mailbox. You will here from me then. With a money back garantee I have nothing to lose, except having to read through these idiotic comments from people who spend too much time watching movies like broke back mountain...
Sorry, but your experience with and evaluation of the product is completely meaningless. Nobody cares what you think you experienced taking these pills. What we want is a scientifically valid series of experiments done, and the results presented to us. Then maybe we'll take it more seriously. Until then (which will never happen) we'll call them liars.
The point of all of this is - Put up or shut up.
While lurking the internet today, I was told by a good friend of mine that someone impersonated me and decided to say "Hey, here's my videos" and then post a link to PsiPog.
I did not post on this website nor did I intend to. I find it ridiculous to find that someone took my name that I've used for years and impersonated me.
Although I did not post that link on this website, I will tell you that those are indeed my video's. I can assure you that they are real and not a trick. I realize that there will always be skeptical opinions, and I respect that. However, I did not come here for a debate.
That person who posted the link was not me. Please do not confuse the two. If anyone knows who that person is, please contact me. You can reach me through PsiPog. My account name is _JoeT_.
Take care.
- JoeT
"Face it, most psychics are just that...psycho!"
I don't know if it's really fair to make that statement. Certainly, SOME of the people who claim "psychic powers" are bull goose loony. I worked outside the White House for three years in the 90's and I made the acquaintance of several people who almost certainly were paranoid psychophrenic and who thought they had "powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men" (to quote the old Superman TV show).
The Big Names in the Psychic Game, though, are almost certainly completely aware of the fraud they perpetrate. They're not nuts, just evil and greedy.
That's right, it's a magnet. The first ever discovered and studied. It's found all over the Earth and can even be found lying on black sand beaches, such as in parts of California. It's a source of iron ore - you know, that stuff that's mined by the millions of tons a year to produce iron and steel products?
Magnetite can be purchased from just about any science/teaching store in the world. I don't recommend eating iron oxide straight, but it can't harm you in tiny quantities. It doesn't give you ESP. After all, the iron mining industry isn't exactly renowned for it's high quality psychic miners.
I did notice an effect when I took it- and I will carry on taking it and see what happens. See you through my third eys soon- may keep you posted.
1) Dreams Easily Recalled. I am able to remember my dreams much more vividly when I take the Magnetic Pill.
2)Speak Cohesively. My thoughts form more cohesive and coherent statements when I speak. This is useful for speaking to clients/patients, and is a very noticeable effect.
3)Emotional State Stabilized. My emotions are kept in check, and I have more control over my thoughts and feelings.
4)Vision. My Vision improves, colors appear more vivid and sharper.
5)Virility. A subtler effect of the magnetic pill is overall increase in energy and alertness, due to better sleep and mental health.
6)Intuition. Moral compass and present universe combine to help you find the way. Made easier by the Magnetic Pill.
And more! The Magnetic Pill is not a scam! I am not paid for this, I am a customer and I heard about the Magnetic Pill through Roaring Lion, the company owned by Peter Ragnar, the renowned Qi Gong master. you can PM me for any questions, just comment on this thread and I will respond.