Most people think the musician Jim Morrison, lead singer for the Doors, died in Paris on July 3, 1971. But Gerald Pitts says that he "discovered Jim Morrison Living on a Ranch in the Pacific Northwest in the summer of 1998." According to him, Morrison is living a quiet life as an American cowboy "away from the Hollywood scene." Even though Morrison evidently engineered an elaborate death hoax to escape publicity, he agreed to appear on film for Pitts. You can buy a copy of this film for only $24.95 (shipping is extra). Pitts' site includes a video comparing the features of Jim Morrison the fifty-something cowboy to Jim Morrison the twenty-something singer. However, no matter how many times I watch the video, I just don't see any similarity.
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I am not trying to prove or disprove anything, rather I am writing a book of facts, yes their are some stories from those involved, which I greatly appreciate, but the stories and accounts are simply in place to act as a parallel time line and justifier of the facts.
If you have any justifiable facts please feel free to contact me and we can arrange an interview.
Have a great morning
I thoroughly respect all the time you have put into helping me, and genuinly repect the time you put into defending your good friend 😉 I have some new info that I would be happy to talk to you about.
My earlier comment of a potential scam in the offing was driven by the fact that this site seemed to be developing into a chat area for a select few; a meeting place, if you will, for those who exchanged data, using this site as a kind of "pal" exchange, whereas in fact, it was designed to be a venue for those who can see a forthcoming hoax.
I cast no aspersions on you personally nor highmountain rougue; nor do I doubt that you seek the truth. My problem is that you have already come to a conclusion which you quantify and excuse by the fact that you're writing a book. I'm sorry but a mere book (amongst many others) simply wont cut it for me..no matter how well written or awesome as I'm sure it will be!..I wish you all success by the way, and assure you that I will probably buy it.
As for the person that I refer to, who was a friend of Jims when he was at at UCLA and before in Florida..who subsequently got back in touch with Jim and Pam in Paris shortly before Jims "death", shouldn't be a source of concern for highmountainrougue as this guy is as queer as a ten bob note. His surname is Rodrigues, I wont give you his Christian name at this point without permission, but you guys should remember the name if you were there. It cant be that hard to remember such a singular surname
Guys I welcome your forthcoming "revallations" I really do..but please share with us all and dont use this site for cryptic messages between the "Jim Illuminati"..stick to the thread and illuminate us all, not just your select buddies!
Cheers
Andrew
I've been a musician since 12.
A fresh story is usually always the best story. There are no less than three stories at the offset of that July and August. The truth had already beat the other out of the gate. The same as we have today. Exactly. We were all sad and some dissapointed.
Following the trace of information we were relieved when Pam said "Jim is alive." It was awesome! Espedially after the third time in the new's, and more to different people. She hinted it within months.
I thought Ray Manzerick was wery honorable in that video posted Re: "Yea he's in Oregon haven't you heard?" Close enough for Ray to ask "Doe's this guy have proof?" when visited with by Brett Hudson. A long time correspondant working for Fox News at the time. Also monologueing the Current Affair edition of Jim Morrison discovered.
Keeping it simple as possible and armed with information it is quite believable. My experience has shown that more believe it than not, in general. This site excluded.
I'm sorry but I couldn't quite understand your last entry..I wondered if it was in fact a bit of prose poetry as each line seemed to be a kind of stanza..in any event it didnt make any sense at all..to me in any case. you sound like a pakistani on speed I'm afraid
Cant wait for all your new pics of Jim with conclusive proof as you've been assuring us will happen soon..I really CANT WAIT! I think you'd better back off and let this silly thread subside for awhile and start it up again if you must when newbies appear from time to time and we can start the whole thing over and over again.
Night
Andrew
I feel the same way which is why I keep pushing and prodding..I dont do it to keep getting my written word on this site and astound folk with my prose.. I do it to worm the truth out of people (who either have forgotten what they wrote previously or tie themselves into knots with heresay and rumour) I make a living doing this as I am a London Criminal Lawyer who loves leading folk down a false path in order to reveal the truth.
And the truth is what this site is all about, is it not? I'd love Jim to be alive, but I know that he's not. Which means I suppose that I'm saying that cowboy Jim is a fraud..a hoax..a prank; and those associated with this lie are perpetuating this nonsense in order to make money. I'd like to say at this point, that if I'm wrong then please sue me! I will happily come to the USA to defend my opinion and point of view.
However consider this..I would absolutely demand that Jim came to Court and submitted himself to a blood and DNA test. If he refused to do so I would have a subpoena issued against him followed by a warrant for arrest on sight. The same would apply to his surviving family.
Jagged and Highmountainrogue, if you want to proceed down that path, I will supply my email addy to you and swear that if you wish to take action against me, I will come to the town of your choice; pay for my own living expenses and my own defence..how fair is that?
Of course If the action works for me and against you then I'd obviously take you all to the cleaners and probably bankrupt the lot of you. There thats my challenge!.Will you take me on?..We the fans of Jim need to know the truth..and you guys perpetuating a bizzare new story of a mortuary awakening is bollocks and you know it.
My friend Rodrigues is a real character with photos of Pam and Jim, who if necessary will come to Court with me to disprove these extraordinary hoaxers. Come on guys ..I've thrown down the gauntlet...Sue me..I'm ready for it!
I throw the gauntlet of parley at your feet, will you pick it up to conclude this jim alive charade?
Cheers
Andrew
I am not into chromincally posting on forums, I simply joined to see what people wanted to know, which essentially I would use as some of the direction for my investigations.
Also I did not want to embark on this investigation if Bill was not interested in talking to me(whether he is Jim or not), I m not into trickery or slander. There is such a thing as just being a good human, being honest, sincere, and presenting my findings just as they have been presented to me.
Have a great night and Thank you again for your previous posts.
Jagged
Thanks for your adice about relaxation and particularly enjoy your "lols" which in my game tends to cover up a multitude of sins. Yes I will lighten up and allow you guys to do your stuff...if you're asking me not to comment on the rubbish that that has appeared on this site recently, then no I wont. I have as much right as you, as I assume that you dont own it?
If what I write isn't pertinent or if you find it assinine then feel free to ignore me..in the meantime I speak for myself and many many others who joined this thread looking for answers, and not spin doctors pushing yet another book.
I dont wish to insult you, but as a writer, dont you think the lols and put downs to be a bit beneath you? I suggest that you relax a bit, and dont embark on a silly "whodunnit" that will only result in ridicule.
Andrew
Hmm. If you can get a copy of Bank of America of Louisiana by Jim Morrison, published in 1974 for under $100, get it. Special thanks to a friend from Greece who informed me about this.
Jagged, you don't know what kind of jewel you have if you're interviewing David Logan. Even I have had the opportunity to speak with him only a few times and always enjoyable. Has anyone looked up who Brad Hutchinson is? Current Affair was a pretty darn popular tv show, at least around Chicago. Jagged, after you've convinced me that you've gotten some true investigative gems from High Mountain, than you might want to talk to me. I'm not sure what pace we should try to break out this story kinda leaning towards highmountain being the pace car.
Wow, Andrew is a criminal lawyer and Jim Morrison is a Bill Loyer.
Have a great night and thanks again for the reply!
Jagged
are all one in the same trying to get people to believe them by having more than one voice on their sides. but that's just what i honestly have perceived.
peace
goods
I did NOT post that last comment by jagged... it is signed off by jagged but says posted by jlizard so something fishy IS going on.
JLizard
Sorry about that, I m not sure how that happened. Oh well doesnt really matter, you know that I m not you and vise versa.
Highmountainrogue.com says fingerprints match, teeth match, eyes match, and dna match? how is all that information even plausible? can you prove all of that my friend? who performed all these comparisons a highly educated doctor? some csi/fbi specialists?
peace to all
the goods
Stay strong as these guys will resort to nasty tactics as anyone on the "ropes" will do. Their assertions will collapse in flames in due course, as I always knew that they would.
The stories just dont add up, and I dont need to be a lawyer (actually a Barrister) to do this. Just go back to page one of this saga and follow the thread. There you'll see "Lizard King" etc..I admit that the Andre thing was an awesome hoax..but here's a thing...It sounds very much like the other stories that I've heard about Jim Morrisons death..especially from his particular friend whom I've already mentioned..and who JLizzard, highmountainrogue and Jagged seem not to want to comment on.
I threw a pretty severe gauntlet down as you have seen...and I stand by what I have written. I believe that there is probably the most insideous hoax going on right now. I wouldn't care about it normally apart from the fact that it (the hoax) will probably have a negative impact on many people, not emotionally equiped to deal with it.
I believe that JLizard, highmountainrogue and jagged, if not one and the same; share the same agenda.
Goods, there are no fingerprints of Jim alive, as I believe that our man has beeen in his grave for all these oh so many years. Our hero is dead so lets worship as such..like we do Kings and Saints.
If these fraudsters can come up with CONLUSIVE proof, then I guess we'll all shut up..in the meantime..conclusive remains elusive
Cheers goods..thanks for being brave...JLiz, JLizzard, highmountainrogue and jagged..waiting for your response..and I dont want any of your old crap..I want full and impartial facts..not just your usual bad photos and mere heresay...facts ..facts...facts..thats all that we can believe
Andrew
Thanks for your thoughts, but I'll give it a misss right now.
I have enough trouble watching what my son looks at thanks
(serious Dad)
Andrew
Jim's not here.
The Gerald Pitts shenannigans would probably crack him up, however. It's bs.
Jim had three children total. Two boys (Chris Bangs included). One girl.
Only Chris has been confirmed with DNA to public knowledge because he pressed the issue to an extent.
Cliff is not a son, just a wishful thinker.
The two other children are brother and sister. For whatever reason, they appear to not be seeking acknowledgement/notoriety or financial gain from the Morrison estate. I have been unable to determine if they already have some sort of quiet deal worked out with the Morrison estate?? They both really resemble Jim, especially the girl. The son is terminally ill.
Fascinating isn't it? Take it or leave it.
From what I've heard your story is extremely plausable..and the fact that they dont seek the limelight adds creedence to what you say.
I'm sure if true, then for sure they've been well looked after by the Morrison family...I know that my Parents would adore any child of mine..whatever "backdoor" (no pun intended) that they came through.
This is the kind of story that I like! it sounds right, its harmless and nobody gets hurt!..Cheers Listen up! and thanks for sharing.
Andrew
Watch the children play....
Evidence Lizard king..thats all we want..not lines to songs that we all know already thanks.
Andrew
The forum is all yours!!! ENJOY!!!!!!
I'm hard at work trying to recruit a famous rock star like Billy Idol or John Cougar Mellencamp to help break out this greatest story in Rock and Roll history. Mid September supposed to be a fund raiser near here and a friend tells me JCM is scheduled to show up. Kind of like walking on rice paper though as the last thing I want to do is distract the solemnity of the event.
How about you, soliciting advice from any UK rockers or celbrities? I hope that you are and not sitting on your hands awaiting a spoonful of babyfood.
Thankyou for being a Gentleman and not ignoring me..I suppose that the worst thing possible in a debate like this is being kept out of the loop. In England we call it "being sent to Coventry"; I dont know why, as Coventry is a lovely place.
Well I can see that I am in that place right now and I'm not sure if I like it. As a Lawyer I'm used to this kind of thing, especially if I'm fighting an unpopular cause..I'm used to villification..bricks through my window etc..but I must say that this whole thing has me perplexed.
On one hand, as a legal kind of guy; I need evidence as I've said all along, but what "In the Know" doesn't realise, is that I so much want Jim to be alive. He meant so much to me as a kid..I was ten years old when the music stopped.
Good luck getting all those guys together for your benefit concert, and I totally understand your "rice paper" allegory. JLizzard, I sincerely mean this..get your man on stage..and not only will I eat baby food for a year..but I'll also stop drinking whiskey for the same amount of time. I will also openly say sorry to you for my previous rants...and if there is an edible hat to eat..then I'll do it and send you a video feed.
God Bless JLizzard..If jim is alive..don't let him think that I'm a cunt..I'm just a sceptic
Andrew
The London "Times" today reported that there was a credible scource saying that Jim was and is a ranch owner...I'm looking for that edible hat.
Anrew
Highmountainrogue, if you are in Helena, MT, I'll be coming there briefly in mid-October. If there's a chance I could stop by or meet up with you for lunch somewhere and look at some more photos or whatever you've got, that would be great.
Best,
DC
I find it a bit disturbing with American sites rather, that its either a question of trust or you're my enemy..Its just something that the World has to live with in the 21st Century.
I'll take a sabatical for a while now and watch the news..If Jim shows up then I'll eat my baby food and just be happy that he's still around.
If he doesn't why I'll just give up and never contribute to this site again. There is potential here for an amazing scoop..either that or the biggest scam regarding Jim Morrison. I'm really looking forward to the next few months, and , hopefully a resolution of some kind.
Cheers
Andrew
it would be cool to get an artist to introduce jim on stage or something....but...jcm? are you actually serious? why would jim want to go on stage with iggy pop or john cougar? they are lame artists compared to what jim and the doors were. jim probably despises their music if he were alive. way too poppy and melancholy. jim would want to be introduced on stage by a band with some balls. but whatever you think you can come up with to keep this discussion rolling along.
i know you have posted from indiana but just because john cougar is from seymour indiana doesn't mean he will cooperate with a local claiming that a singer who could have been dead 40 years is alive and has fooled all of america and the entire world. he would think you are crazy. i have heard john cougar is a bit prententious anyway. well enough rambling. bring forth some evidence, or bring forth this so-called "jim" fellow.
peace
the goods
I live in "small town" Seymour so that is why I consider JCM my hopeful light source. Another tid bit is that our own Katie Stam won the Miss America pageant so it we are on the map and possibly ready for another great event. Actually probably not, we should let Ms. Stam have the spotlight on her, no wait, she has the national spotlight, right, it's MISS AMERICA so if a world class story emerges from her hometown everything's as peachy as ever? What if she's even a Morrison fan?? Or if her parents are???
JCM funds the Southern Indiana Arts Center where I like to visit, but of course he hasn't been here for years. I have spoken to the director here about communicating this to JCM but he says that he never speaks with JCM directly. This director's brother was in the band with JCM for his first 3 records.
Last w/e while visiting, the director actually asked me, "So, have you heard anything about the Jim Morrison guy". That's about as good as it's gotten so far.
i no longer reside in seymour but i grew up there just moved to greenwood to try something different. i am now 19 years of age. i went to good ol seymour high school and graduated 2008. i am not aquainted with katie stam but i had her father keith stam as choir director during high school, he never mentioned the doors, but did mention the beatles and beach boys, so it could be possible. but good luck, mellencamp doesn't visit seymour too often if i am correct, his parents still live there right off highway 11 before you hit highway 65. best wishes
the goods
I really doubt if her wholesome family liked the DOORS, hee hee. JCM is probably dedicated to farmers' causes so won't be able to show too much interest in this either, but right now it seems like my best shot, eh?
I didn't mean to interfere at that this point...but what the hell is wrong with Iggy pop? I'd have thought that he was exactly the kind of guy you needed to re-introduce Jim..he knew him didn't he? Or am I mistaken?
Jlizzard I listned to your YouTube interview..it sounded very credible, and I enjoyed listening to your voice. I absolutely think thar someone like Iggy would add weight to your cause.
I'm half convinced..I don't expect you to share your discovories with me after my negativity in the past...but if by any chance you want to keep me in the loop then my addy is .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)
Good luck with your concert JLizzard..prove me wrong
Andrew
I just wanted to say that your last post was very honorable, I really respect what your wrote. I have some great info about Bill Loyer and I will share it with all of you hopefully today. I still have not come to an absolute conclusion, but I d really like you observations.
Have a great morning!
Jagged
Your morning is my night of course. Actually I've gone beyond the need for total proof. If Jim is alive I'll support all that you do.
I want you guys to succeed in your quest and rise above any negativity. Let me know when Jim (Bill) will appear and I will come and see him. It would be an awesome thing for me and countless millions of others.
Peace
Andrew
Jim's not here.
The Gerald Pitts shenannigans would probably crack him up, however. It's bs.
Jim had three children total. Two boys (Chris Bangs included). One girl.
Only Chris has been confirmed with DNA to public knowledge because he pressed the issue to an extent.
Cliff is not a son, just a wishful thinker.
The two other children are brother and sister. For whatever reason, they appear to not be seeking acknowledgement/notoriety or financial gain from the Morrison estate. I have been unable to determine if they already have some sort of quiet deal worked out with the Morrison estate?? They both really resemble Jim, especially the girl. The son is terminally ill.
Fascinating isn't it? Take it or leave it.
Posted by Listen Up in Mars on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:15 PM
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How did you acquire this information in regard to Chris Bangs?
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JM
David and I were considering adding the following to the DEATH section in wikipedia. We would appreciate any constructive criticism...
In 1998 William J. Loyer of Eagle Point, OR revealed to his neighbor Billy Wilson that he was in fact Jim Morrison formerly of the DOORS. Wilson shared this information with David Logan and Gerald Pitts, partners in Rodeoswest Motion Pictures. Pitts was interviewed on numerous media programs including Coast to Coast AM. He formed Rodeoswest, Inc. incorporated in Oregon and included film footage and voice of the discovered Jim Morrison in his rodeo website http://www.rodeoswest.com. Videos displaying the uncanny resemblence of Bill Loyer to Jim Morrison were posted on youtube and have been viewed the world over. Long time investigative reporter Brett Hudson from Fox News candidly photographed Morrison's ranch called the JM Sanctuary but shied from interviewing the resident. It was reported in an episode of A Current Affair.
Jim Morrison has told Logan that he has come out of hiding to honor his family, friends and the many fans who he loves and who still love him. He took advantage of a near death experience that occurred in Paris by making it seem that he actually did die because he knew his rock and roll life style was truly killing him. He has made a living over the years as a Master Journeyman Brickmason. Retired now, Jim spends his time painting and writing and with his wife Marsha and their families.
In 2008 David Logan and John Ceperich who had worked with Pitts since 2006, agreed to combine efforts to demystify and bring the Jim Morrison realization forward. Logan is combining photographs, forensic evidence and his personal experiences with Jim Morrison from when he was a wrangler for the JM Sanctuary at a website called http://www.highmountainrogue.com. Ceperich has spoken to Jim's wife, a retired medical doctor from Hawaii who says that over the years attempts were made to contact Sugarman, Manzarek, Krieger and Densmore but they were all ignored. Ceperich has contacted celebrities including interviewer Gary James, Bob Proctor (Secret), Governor Charlie Crist of Florida, Krist Novoselic (Nirvana), Billy Idol, John Cougar Mellencamp and 2008 Los Angeles Music Awards winner Cliff Morrison who at one time played in a band with Krieger's son Waylan and who is the alleged son of Jim Morrison.
that stuff would fit right on wikipedia because wikipedia is full of NON facts like those. wikipedia is no credible source to me nor should it be to anyone. it's an interesting story but without driven facts and without bill loyer's cooperation your story is going to sink.
All things considered, I have to agree with what you say. Wikepedia is non factual, especially in regards to about everything that is has to say about Jim Morrison. Again though, Bill Loyer is my sole driving force, so yes if he says that I am doing something contrary to his wishes then I close the book on this. But so far I have heard that he appreciates what we are doing so must march forwards. The facts here are larger than life; even if it wasn't Jim Morrison it would still be a remarkable story.
okay so what's with that? he claims to be jim if he is not then how could you believe him on any other account of this so called EPIC past? just wondering is all. but keep it coming i'm interested. i really am just starting to see this is going to go absolutely nowhere. people keep saying they have info and proof and have been saying it on here for months now but time and time again nobody comes forward with anything even though they say this guy bill loyer aka jim gave them permission to move forward. and another thing that's starting to itch at me is even if this is jim and word gets out whatever you write a book blah blah blah. the feds will be all over his poor ass. if it's him he committed crimes! faking your death i think is illegal maybe? but if he is jim morrison i'm sure he could get out of it rock-stars don't go down like that. he will buy his way out of it with the money the fucking doors owe him. shit what am i talking about there's no proof.
the goods
Right of the top, just so you know, I have not been able to obtain fingerprints or DNA from Bill, therefore exposing him as the true Jim or a con man is still impossible. What I have so far exposes Bill from a couple years after Jim died. All the info includes his past relationships, family, residences, etc... the problem with this is that if I publish this info without consent I believe it would be an invasion of privacy. What I can tell you is that for some reason there is no record of Bill before the early 70's, there is absolutely nothing, which could just be a coincidence, or could be due to lack of record keeping. From my research it apears as though Bill just appeared out of no where. Also there are alot of bizzar coincidences throughout his life.
My biggest hang up right now is that, no matter how much evidence I come up with the only evidence that means anything is the fingerprint and DNA. I have new pictures, but they really dont mean much, in my opinion Bill doesnt look like Jim, but I could be wrong.
Just to clarify I'm not trying to prove of disprove, I m simply looking for all the evidence and then coming to a conclusion. My hope was that I'd find info from Bill's years that JIm was alive, this would prove that he's not JIm. So far I cant find any of this info, but I m still working on it.
Great question Goods!! Very constructive.
Maybe Andrew could shed some light on the questions you had about faking death being illegel etc.. and the legal ramifications that Bill may face if he infact is not Jim.
Your professional views would be greatly appreciated Andrew!
Have a great day!!!
By saying "Andrew", are you referring to me? If so I would absolutely assert that in most circumstances; to feign death would be an illegal act. In "most" is the definative word.
One has to be cautious in that assertion , however, as various factors would apply (e.g indebtedness, pending unresolved legal issues etc) I would have to have a factual account of pretty much everything that happened at the time of his "demise" to make a professional judgement. (Iwant to clarify this..I'm not a Judge so I use that word as an expression only)
Now on a less formal note, the good news is that he "died" in Paris, and as a European I have way more clout there than any (or many) American Citizens ever could..this is not an Anti American slur..it is just a matter of fact.
To cut things very short..I have American legal friends who could possibly help. I have a working knowledge of U.S law, but I'd have to study the statutes etc of the State where Bill lives.
All of the above is in the spirit of me being asked a question..if you weren't referring to me then I'll just say "oops" and clam up.
I hope that you all get these issues resolved guys..I'm not knocking any of you; but I'm sure that you all know that there is only one solution to this enigma! It has just occured to me that a person may go in "absentia" on some ocasions..eg fear of death..death threats etc. In the UK you can change your name legally ..but we have a thing called "Deed Poll"...12th Centuary twaddle..I need to look up to see if you have the same facility in the USA.
Cheers all..sleep well!
Andrew
Yes I meant you, thanks for the answer it's greatly appreciated.
I'm only just coming round to your way of thinking, so keep your enthusiam going until you know for sure what is what.
If Bill isn't Jim then I expect him to cease communication with all of you if he fears that his ruse will be exposed. This is normal behaviour; but the same could be said for a person who wanted to retire into private life, then rethinking that and getting "cold feet" and wanting to retreat back into annonimity..Fickle behaviour is well documented in the history of celebrity.
JLiz believes this mans story, so I'll maintain my open mind until the truth comes out. If it turns out that he isn't the "man"..I won't crow about it; I'll just be rather sad that you guys have put in so much work..anyway here's hoping.
Goodnight guys..its late here now and I must be up at six...what a life!!
Andrew
I testify to you in a court of law that it is Jim Morrison. Will the people who have amassed amazing fortunes by saying that Jim is dead testify in a court of law as well?