Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume.
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Just wondering.
Just wondering.
Posted by Bob Fraples on Sun Sep 24, 2006 at 05:27 PM"
The military already does built vehicles from blast-resistant materials. But the problem is that the angel light supposedly messes up electronic equipment, and in a tight space like a tank you can't really afford to clear space out for a possibly dangerous, undeveloped angel light when you need as much space as you can get for complex electronics. You also run the risk of power failure, and in such a situation you find yourself in a locked box with no way to see what's outside.
If you have a duplicate light that "destroys" stuff outside, that immediately implies that the light inside would do the same. To your stuff.
And then there's the question of switching it on and off; if you have an angel light continually turned on, and it poses a danger to people, you could harm civilians really easily in a combat situation, and friendly fire isn't out of the question if things get messy. Something that is supposedly as innovative and new as the angel light must be handled with a lot of caution.
I can understand a lot of the doubt here but some of it is coming off as snotty, whiny remarks made by jerks who feel that they can pass judgement on something that they know relatively little about. It's okay to doubt, but it's not okay to say, "Clearly this is absolutely without a doubt impossible." You just can't know one way or the other.
"It's okay to doubt, but it's not okay to say, "Clearly this is absolutely without a doubt impossible." You just can't know one way or the other."
That's not correct. We absolutely CAN know if the thing works. The "inventor" just has to submit his "invention" to proper scientific testing. As has been said several times, if it works, Troy Hurtubise will be hailed as one of the greatest inventors of all time and mankind's knowledge base will be advanced.
*Please* try to adhere to the following list (I'll kinda understand it if you can't, though):
1. STFU
2. Get a life
3. Let the dreamers dream, already!
I, for one, no longer care what happens with Angel Light anymore. You guys killed it for me. Congrats.
Oh, and Happy New Year y'all!
"*Please* try to adhere to the following list (I'll kinda understand it if you can't, though):
1. STFU
2. Get a life
3. Let the dreamers dream, already!"
So, this board is all about YOU? Sorry, Dude, you don't have the power or authority to tell me or anyone else here what they can or can't do.
I'm flattered that you think I have the ability to stop dreamers from dreaming, but that isn't what this about at all. The discussion is about whether or not Hurtubise's invention can or can't do what he claims it can.
If your little balloon was punctured by REALITY, it's YOUR problem, not mine.
I used to be like that too. Then I grew up.
Cranky Media Guy, glad to see you're still posting.. As for your 2 responses to bored spectator, I invite you to consider the possibility that you may be held in the same view.
I came here to read intelligent discussion & found what I considered to be mainly bashing.
OK, so people don't believe him. OK, so some may.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but when I do not believe someone I simply say I do not believe and give my points (no need to shout). I do not go calling the man a liar because he hasn't proved himself.
I agree in principle to the indisputable proof of demonstration and its need in science, but to gain a direction in research you must either have a known technology to evolve from or (and this is the point) an idea to theorise.
Troy may believe that he has something groundbreaking.
He may believe he's onto something, but can't fully turn theory into fact.
Or maybe it is a complete hoax.
Maybe he once thought he had it working, shot his mouth off then found it didn't work like he thought and has to bluff..
To justify himself, I agree that proof it currently works is required.
On the other hand, to justify calling him a liar I say prove that it doesn't.
Absense of evidence is not evidense of absence.
I personally believe that Troy has a passion for inventing, probably nothing more. But to brand him a hoax without disproving him is wrong.
There is precious little proof either way at this time. Maybe in 200 years someone will pick up his failed work and apply it to science currently out of our grasp, who knows? The concept is already being explored more widely than one lone "cracked-pot"
Correct me if I'm out of line, but 360 pages is a bit excessive to say (and shout) "show me proof"
And to have the stamina to wade through such a massive post implies a need for proof, or at least affirmation of some kind 😉
Contact him directly and demand he demonstrates the device to you if so vehemently skeptical.
To believe something is possible is not the same as know it is fact.
As for Troys claims, I do not currently believe his gun works as he says but I feel he believes it could.
At least he is applying himself and highlighting the concept, albeit if only met with derision.
Unfortunately I cannot remember the precise instructions once I wake up.
I have been in touch with "Japan" and the French Government and they understand the importance of obtaining the contents of my dreams. They are working on technology to implant into my brain to record the dreams. Unfortunately the current version of the dream recording technology will destroy my precious brain in the process.
I can't say anything more about it except that "Japan" and the French Government have put the technology behind closed doors, and they're trying to find a way to record my world-saving dreams without destroying my amazing brain.
One day, when the technology is perfected, my dreams will be recorded, we'll get the instructions from the Invisible Pink Unicorn and I will thus save the world.
Until then, I'm simply going to ask all y'all to take everything I say at face value. You can't disprove me, so if you have any doubts about my story you are obligated to withhold judgement until someone proves me right or wrong.
NO FAIR MAKING FUN OF ME!!! If you do you're a negative, defeatist, cynical party-pooping poop-head.
And to all the hopers, dreamers and positive thinkers out there with the "can do" attitudes and the open minds: speculate away, and stay tuned! The instructions from the IPU may someday make all of your hopes and dreams come true.
You are correct. You don't have to prove anything; your word should be enough. It's up to the skeptics to DISPROVE your claims.
Since it's virtually impossible to completely disprove the existance of something, you win by default. It's SO obvious!
Now that's what I call a post! 😉
Making fun don't have to be slander..
These IPUs intjudo, you've spoke of them before..
You never said how big they are, or exacly how pink?
If they're real, can I buy one?
If they're not, can I help fund you anyway? All I want is one when you finally remember the rest of the dream. Oh, and a sliver of the percentage?
I remember a dream about purple rhinos once and I get a gut feeling when I think "silly putty", but then again I have a thing about putty..
http://www.ufologie.net/press2/northbaynews14feb2004.htm
No one saw anything.
I don't exist.
lol, what's new?
""I quote from Hoofprints 4:14 (by the prophet Ixian):
Yea, and I was given by inspiration that She was
next to me, and I could touch Her, being the loyal
servant, and I laid my hand upon Her mane, and
She *was* Pink. She was not pink, She was not
colourless, but She *felt* Pink, and I was thus
overcome. I awoke later with a hangover, but I
knew She was *yet* Pink, but invisible.""
No, you can't buy one, and it turns out there is only one IPU...alas for my naivet
Angel Light has had some effect after-all eh? Also, what-with 11-D string-theory, parallel universes, Universal Branes -- I now know that We don't know much of anything at-all. Only 4.5% of the Universe is what we know as matter (95% is currently undetectable and unknown stuff!) The list goes on.
Still, We feeble humans can't progress without some means of sharing and verifying our discoveries. That's currently called "The Scientific Method" -- and Troy refuses to play that game -- so we'll never know if he stumbled onto anything. Still I'm too humbled by real science to mock even fake science. Troy caused me to explore a bit more.
IPU.. Faith & Logic beautifully balanced.
It does seem that IPU does slip into the plural sometimes. Are these translation errors from the first writings?
I Saw Her. I Kinda Saw Her. I Definitely Saw Something. I Believe.
http://crunchgear.com/2007/02/06/grizzly-man-in-financial-ruin-selling-halo-suit/
"History is full of inventions of all kinds (arts and science) where the source of the knowledge is sudden and complete and mysterious. He would not be the first inventor laughed at. He is in very good company."
Maria, the fact that other people whose inventions or discoveries were later vindicated in no way "proves" that Troy's "invention" is legitimate.
To paraphrase something that Carl Sagan once said, they laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Copernicus. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Either Angel Light works or it doesn't. If it turns out that it DOES work, then the people (like me) who have laughed at Troy owe him an apology. It hasn't been demonstrated that it DOES work, however, so that just isn't relevant.
"How stupid would they look if the garage inventor with no training and funding managed to have the one thing that qualifications can't get you; An Original Idea."
How stupid would those biologists and zoologists with their dumb scientific training look if it turned out that pigs CAN fly, huh?
It's that "if" stuff that gets you every time, isn't it?
No one questions that Troy has an IDEA. What he doesn't have is PROOF.
As I said in my last posting, IF Troy's device works, we all owe him an apology. Unfortunately, that hasn't been shown yet. If's don't mean squat.
Troy doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not suggesting he intentionally misleads people either.
If you have a good look at the pictures & read the equipment included, it seems to be all off-the-shelf stuff.
A black light (UV), red light, white light & fluoro (blue?).
Seven lasers, which suggest to me, combined to make white laser.
A microwave & carbon dioxide mixed with plasma.
(A microwave can make plasma but unless they mean red hemoglobin I don't think you can just bottle plasma).
Some glass that sits mostly outside the unit & appears rather superfluous.
Some more carbon dioxide & more plasma rods.
The plasma rods can be bought (almost) from party shops.
Look at the photos, see how these things are incorporated & it's hard to see how you could get anything useful out of it. And given that it's unshielded it's probably potentially quite dangerous to be around.
As if you would put your hand in front of it! I imagine Troy looking down the barrel to see if his gun is loaded!
Far from an "angel light" it sounds more like the "laser from hell".
You will enjoy this one...
I am the one who sold shares of the Pope's soul on E-Bay! This, as I am told made national news although I have not confirmed this. It is likely that some from FOX will recall my remote viewing work as perhaps the aforementioned sales. As a remote viewer, my work scared the nuts off of their jesus working on camera for a producer from Los Angeles, CA (see ISO).
I need not tell you that to make the national news represents the Holy Grail for which all pranksters both fear and lustfully seek. So far I have achieved success being "healed" of priapism* by no less than three television (live) evangelists, inspired the hanging/ mangled santa displays across the nation, and other forms of mindless hilarity.
Perhaps my greatest moment had been realized when at last several knee-bent christians were seen on national television praying as directed to heal my body of priapism!
Hint: To pass most television evangelist phone screeners, use the money card. Offer to return to jesus every dime you have for personal "redemption" and "sacrifice", etc. This will work most of the time and if not, keep trying. Remember that patience, perseverance, and persistence alone will account for the greatest chance of success.
Stay legal, hurt no one, be fearless, and have fun!
The Holy Prankster's Creed:
In life, it is better to regret the things that you have done rather than to regret the things you have not.
There is always another mountain!
Appreciative,
Aaron C. Donahue
*Priapism is a medical condition that refers to the sustained erection of a penis.
"If this does work then do you know how this will change physics and history?
He was going to Fleming College in Lindsay ON, taking a natural resourses course and living at the same place as a friend of mine.
Me and my buddy and Troy, and several other interesting folks, would routinely go to the Grand Hotel for some refreshing beverages and talk about the bear suit. It was actually my friend and I, both being design/engineering types, that helped him overcome problems with BearSuit#1, and another friend of ours, Dean, who was his camera guy in the tree at the first tests.
So let me say this: Troy is as nutty as chrismas cake. We'd get a few beers into us and he'd go outside, naked, at -20F, and claim to be not only impervious to cold but because he firmly believed that he was a Native Indian Ninja (oh ya!) and he could become invisible. He'd spend our walks home skulking through the neighbours shrubbery "being invisible", (no really, he actually claimed to be able to be invisible) with a 9" bowie knife clenched in his teeth. A touch of psycho there indeed.
There's much more but I'll save him the embarasment. He's fully capbable of embarasing himself - were it not that he's impervious only to criticism. Purely crazy.
My bet: the divice in question has some kind of "priming" unit such as a wireless camera involved.
From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells. It would explain why his light doesn't keep on going through the car past the wall, and why there would be health effects. Every atom and molecule absorbs energy most efficiently at a given set of frequencies. This is why laser beams are at a frequency based on the material used (chromium in ruby, CO2, etc.). He tunes it one way and it interferes with some organic chemistry at the cellular level unhealthily, another way it affects a different material better. He could see part way through his hand he said.
There's LOTS of weird ramifications to quantum mechanics and electrodynamics beyond whether black holes evaporate, and probably both more useful and dangerous and immediately applicable to human civilization than nuclear weapons.
"From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells."
The key word in that sentence is "guess." That's exactly what you're doing.
If Troy truly has invented a machine which can see through walls, all he has to do is DEMONSTRATE it. If he can do that, all the doubters (myself included) will have to concede that he's one of the great inventors of history. Until he does that simple thing, there is every reason to question his extravagant claims.
The fact that other people in the past have done things which were previously believed to be impossible in no way proves that Troy has done the same. Evidence. Let's see some evidence.
If he wants to be known by people, there he has succeeded.
I was thinking it was a bit far fetched of a plan and why haven't I seen it on the news yet?
Oh well, if hes onto somthing good luck to him.
Hope it works out for you Troy 😉
Now, do you have anything on the topic of Angel Light to contribute?
As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular. As am I.
I can offer additional context: this site is called "The Museum of Hoaxes." The whole point of this site is that skepticism is an invaluable tool when it comes to evaluating unproven claims, particularly in the case of unproven extraordinary claims.
If you want to engage in unstructured speculation, without the inconvenience of having to back your speculations with evidence, proof, a prove-able hypothesis etc. then...there are other sites out there full of like-minded people.
If not, I would repeat CMG's question: other than personal attacks on CMG, do you have anything to contribute to the topic of the Angel Light?
--intjudo
"As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular."
Bingo on all counts.
Electromagentic waves can travel through a wide range of materials depending on their frequency. If you have a wide spectrum of EM waves all aimed in the same direction, then you effectively have a large set of radar devices concurrently operating each one invisible to most but not all materials.
The claim that we can see things like Superman X-Ray vision seems a bit much, I would think it would look a lot like a sonogram, but with enough software you could generate something that looks like the new 4-D ultrasounds you can now get for your fetus.
This guy keeps claiming new amazing inventions but also keeps going bust, if his pastes etc are that good then why isn't he patenting them and being sold in shops? I'd buy it if the claims were true.
As for Angel Light has anyone apart from this guy ever seen it working? No video, no photo's no nothing to back his claim, therefore, it's BS.
If he went to all the trouble of having a paper north bay news show shots of his device and him
Dont you think he would show shots of it seeing through the wall. But no there are none WHy?
Because it cant see through walls.
Its a HOAX!!!