Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume.
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you are either hoplessly ignorant of real science, or trolling for flame. I suspect the first, though. You're in college, so why don't you take an introductory physics class? It would really open your eyes to what science and physics are all about.
It seems like you got your knowledge of physics from comic books, science fiction novels, and Star trek re-runs. Those are all works of FICTION.
You're 20 years old fer'chrissakes. Put the Manga away and start acting like a grown-up. Your parents aren't sending you to college so you can waste your time and talents in make-believe land. The real world is much more interesting.
Learn about it.
"Oh, I'm surprised you havn't heard already. The demo went off great. Troy said that the secret French millitary guys were "VERY impressed" and that the observers from MIT and CERN said they would have to "rewrite all the physics books". Turns out Promethius et al were 100% right about it and CrankyMediaGuy, Joesixpack, and all the other narrow-minded flat-earthers had to eat their words."
Well, is my face red! I mean, if Troy says it went well, it MUST have. Who could doubt the inventor of the Amazing Bear-Proof Suit Mark Something-or-other?
Someone please tell me where and when the burning of all the physics text books in existance is going to take place.
As always with these sort of stories, there's never a follow-up story. Novak needed to fill up space in his newspaper, so he did what newsmen have been doing since the invention of the press.
He wrote a story about a crack-pot with some outlandish claim, and rather than doing any fact checking, he simply "accepted" the claims at face value and ran the story. Why not confirm the claims? Because then there'd be no story.
Crazy claims get more people to read, and more people reading equals more ad revenue. Look at all the hits to his news website that this forum has generated.
Novak doesn't care whether or not he has any journalistic credibility so long as people keep reading his crap.
This is guy is definitively delusional - for proof listen to the interview...
Troy has invented many important things... and people should respect him... but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat >_>...
={ Troy's Fire Paste and Blast sheilds are not to be taken lightly... I can get the firepaste from any hardware store... and it IS his invention... so =P
"Troy has invented many important things... and people should respect him... but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat >_>..."
So, we should believe Troy when he says that his invention (which he has never demonstrated) will revolutionize physics and that he is in touch with Prince Charles and Bill Clinton?
The bottom line is Troy has made extraordinary claims that he is either unable or unwilling to demonstrate (I'm betting on the former). The real question here is, in the absence of any facts, why do you BELIEVE him?
"Novak isn't a crack, and neither is Troy... If you'd search a little more, you'd find a recent radio interview with Troy regarding Angel Light..."
Novak sure isn't much of a journalist. And Troy STILL can't make his invention work in front of any reliable witnesses, even with a radio interview.
"but noo, you people have to ack the same way people acted when some people suggested the world was round instead of flat"
Why is it that you credulous illiterates always make that comparison? You always like to pretend you're Galileo or Colombus, a visionary genius surrounded by narrow minded morons who are frightened by progress. Pull your head out of the pseudoscience and pseudohistory and ask yourself what it is the sceptics seem to know that you don't. Spending all your spare time watching the Discovery channel and listening to "Coat to Coast AM Radio" is not the equivalent of an education. In fact, it's the opposite
Turn off the TV and open a book.
LOOK AT ALL THE GREAT STUFF TROY INVENTED!!!!
And they have interveiws with troy from like a radio!
All but Angel Light has been proven!!! Give him some credit, and once he's worked out the dagerous parts, we'll get our demonstration...
Troy has no reason to lie about it... everything he has invented has been amazing, and everything he has done has been true and proven...
He is not a crackpot... he just doesn't have a high class education in the fields he invents...
I can put things to gether and get something awesome too... I'm just not that creative...
Troy is a classic inventor in the coolest way!
I'm glad someone that doesn't know much about physics is giving physics majors a run for their money.
And we are NOT illiterates you asshole...
I too beleive that your all acting like the standard in historical disbileif and traditional laughing at amazing claims...
Who's laughing now, once we invent a deathray to destroy you all >:D hahahaha!!!
It's pretty obvious that the only reason people do believe his claims about the "angel light" is because they think "it would be neat if it really worked". Lot's of things would be "pretty neat if they worked", but that's not reason enough to put our faith in them. Let's face facts and accept that the only thing invisible about his ray-gun is ANY proof that the invention works.
You said, "try to keep an open mind...". Well, the sceptics here seem to be the only ones open minded to the probability that Troy is lying.
And, yes, Troy "thinks outside the box", but that's not really worthy of any praise unless he actually accomplishes something. Not every 'misunderstood dreamer" is a genius. Most aren't, in fact, most are nut-cases.
"[M]aybe Troy didn't make an invisible ray but atleast he's trying and maybe one day somebody will, but try to keep an open mind and maybe a little imagination."
He didn't claim to have invented an invisibility ray, but a ray that allows you to see through solid objects, not exactly the same thing.
The problem here, Mike, is not that Troy is TRYING to invent something but that he claimed to have ALREADY INVENTED it. He says he's done it, but he can't prove it. Why should we believe him under those circumstances?
If you (or anyone else) want to work on a ray that can see through things, knock yourself out. It's probably a waste of time, but it's your time to waste. If you say you have actually done it though, why should we NOT call you a liar if you refuse or are unable to demonstrate your claim?
If he actually DID it, it wouldn't require an "open mind" to simply observe and marvel at his invention. It would be right there, out in the open, for anyone to see.
He said he would demonstrate it on the 17th. He didn't. Simple. He's full of shit. Period.
You know he's reading this forum, and he's going to show up at your front door in the Ursus MK VII weilding a fucking axe.
Oooh, that'd make a great B movie. Full of un-"bear"-able horror.
Do you think we would get to know. They will kill him first. Just like the bloke who invented a car that could run on water.
Pete
"You know he's reading this forum, and he's going to show up at your front door in the Ursus MK VII weilding a fucking axe."
i think you need not worry...'weilding' is not within the capeablities of the wearer of an Ursus MK V11. He's basically imobile in the get up so just tip him backwards. but keep in mind that after he crashes down the front-door steps, his assistants will pry off his helmet, stick a ciggy in his gob and Troy will triumphantly pronounce this latest test of the Ursus V11 a resounding success.
" They will kill him first. Just like the bloke who invented a car that could run on water."
You're kidding, right? Tell me you're kidding.
He is under pressure from many governments about this invention... the local news was alowed to slip some info to the public... but Governments dont want this to get out...
So we will be lucky to see what his invention can do... but we may not if the government wants it secret...
"O_o Troy has never lied before... so therefore you have no reason to beleive he is lying..."
Oh? So he HAS been in contact with Prince Charles and Bill Clinton, received $40,000 from unnamed French people AND invented a machine which violates the known laws of physics?
"He is under pressure from many governments about this invention... the local news was alowed to slip some info to the public... but Governments dont want this to get out..."
And you know this how? Which governments are putting pressure on him? If you know that some are, then you must know which ones, right? Tell, please.
As for local news "slipping some of this out," uh, Troy contacted news people and TOLD them about his "invention." He also announced that he would have a demonstration, which appears not to have taken place.
"So we will be lucky to see what his invention can do... but we may not if the government wants it secret..."
It's fun to make up stories, isn't it?
"You would think that there would be some news one way or another"
I didn't expect there to be any news. Liars like to slink away quietly.
So, where are you Hurtubise apologizers now? What happened? Did Troy run out of Diet Coke to pour into his ray gun? Should I go fetch that discarded physics textbook from the trash?
In the words of Edward G. Robinson, "Where's your Messiah now?"
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tyrannybytes says,
Before you disbelieve Troy, and if the above documented FACTS are starting to pull some sheeple out of the Matrix I submit this - if most posts here would focus as much energy into stopping the satanic, numeric obsessed, wack jobs running all this evil crap, we might have a bit of hope.
Documented facts! Can't hardly stop laughing long enough to type. Jesus Christ... I'd hate to even know what your definition of those words are, together or singally for that matter. You watch WAY too many movies and smoke WAY too much dope there dopey! Also, we put quite a lot of energy into, as you put it... "if most posts here would focus as much energy into stopping the satanic, numeric obsessed, wack jobs running all this evil crap, we might have a bit of hope." Why do you think we repeatedly tell you, and others just like you, how full of shit you are even though we know you're not intelligent enough to ever learn.
In closing, I sure do hope you don't live anywhere near me. But if you do, and ever get too close... remember this. Deer season has been over for quite some time and I'm very bummed about it, but always up for some practice.
😉
I wrote this via email to the author of that article:
"Greetings,
Regarding your "Angelic visions" article by Mark Pilkington on Thursday January 27, 2005:
Do you have *any* process of fact-checking in your organization? Your article is a mere paraphrase of this one: http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=6657
Your article consists entirely of:
1. Unsubstantiated claims by inventor and/or the reporter regarding the "invention."
2. Unsubstantiated claims concerning powerful people purported to have an interest in the "invention."
3. Unsubstantiated claims concerning credible people purported to speak for the "invention."
4. Wild speculation about the "invention's" possibilities.
I suggest a simple search on Google, at least, before publishing such rubbish. Here, I'll save you the trouble:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/2296/ "
Thanks for your email regarding my Guardian piece on Troy Hurtubise's "Angel Light" project.
You're correct to observe that my item was sourced from the Bay Today newspaper article, which was the only original piece written about the alleged invention at the time. My piece was also supplemented with material from past news items about Hurtubise and his previous inventions and discoveries. However, a 400-word column doesn't allow space for much more than laying out the claims made by an inventor which, if you take a look at other Far Out columns, is what I generally do. When we have the benefit of history and hindsight, then I'm able to detail any follow-up information, but in this case, as I say in the piece, all we can do is wait and see how it evolves. It also hardly seems necessary to add that, as the title suggests, the Far Out column is intended to document fringe and often outrageous scientific claims of exactly this sort.
Hurtubise is clearly something of an eccentric character, the archetypal backyard inventor of which there are many around the world, and who I feel are a valuable and unjustly negelcted part of the wider science culture. While he may not be a government, military or industrially funded scientist, there is no reason to believe that he is a deliberate hoaxer. As some of the commenters on the Museum of Hoaxes web site point out, there are several large companies and labs working on projects similar to Hurtubise's. No doubt their solutions will be more technologically sophisticated, and no doubt theirs, rather than urtubise's, will be picked up for use by the world's militaries. But why shouldn't a character like Hurtubise get there first? And he certainly wouldn't be the first scientist whose inventions or discoveries came to them in dreams.
While it is right to be cautious about his claims
All the best
Mark Pilkington
...thought this exchange may be of interest, especially when coupled with a review of Phil Novak's responses to those criticizing his coverage of Troy's stuff.
I think it's interesting and noteworthy that so far the only people defending Troy's "Inventions" are:
1. People who admit to a propensity towards "cheering for the underdog," and/or
2. Journalists taking a pot-shot at getting a major scoop for little-to-no actual work and/or
3. People who are clearly delusional and/or
4. People who think adherents to the Scientific Method are "narrow minded." As opposed to the "Let's-just-make-shit-up" methodology, which apparently qualifies anyone for a membership in the Brotherhood of Expansive Minds. AND/OR
5. People who have a chip on their shoulder concerning "garage" inventors. As if questioning Troy's claims means you give no credence to any invention that came out of a garage. AND/OR
6. People who have apparently been charmed by the guy.
I can't recall a single proponent of rational, verifiable, consesus-based approaches to validating claims defending this guy's "inventions."
Personally, all I ever wanted to do was have a good laugh at the original article, and share the humor with others. I thought it was pretty obvious humor. I still do. Heck, I reccommend re-reading the original article right now, and forget anything you've learned or discussed here.
It's...so...hilarious!! :lol: Seriously. It's hard to overstate my feelings about this article. It's just so...perfect.
Oh, never mind, he meant he had to FILL a 400 word colum. Fact checking would have actually reduced the article to five words "Nut makes claim. Can't demonstrate."
Good on yer', Plkington. Glad to see your higher education is paying off.
You see this exact conflict in the "intelligent design" versus evolution debate, for example. I believe it is also evident in the clash between supporters of George Bush's policies and those who oppose them.
I'm sure this kind of intellectual conflict has existed for a long time in human society, but I don't think I've ever seen it as heated in my lifetime as it appears to be at the moment.
As the kids say, wha' 'sup wit' dat?
Know what? I'd LOVE to find out that Troy Hurtubise has invented something that totally changes our understanding of the physical universe around us. I'm not "rooting against him."
The problem is that he has made an extraordinary claim. That alone is reason enough to demand very good proof of his claims. Then there's the teensy weensy fact that he doesn't seem to be able to back them up. Oopsie.
Under those circumstances, there seems to be little or no reason to believe what he has said about Angel Light.
Seriously, folks, you really DO have to be able to differentiate between what you wish were true and what IS true. Personally, I think the world would be MUCH more interesting if criminals had a "theme" like the bad guys in the Batman world. Wouldn't it be cool if bank robbers wore leotards with question marks all over them? I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though. Nor am I going to hold my breath waiting for Troy Hurtubise to actually demonstrate his amazing see-through-walls thingie.
Those who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality are in the Express Lane to Cuckoo Town and a society run by people like that doesn't have much of a future.
Before you disbelieve Troy, ... if most posts here would focus as much energy into stopping the ... numeric obsessed, wack jobs...we might have a bit of hope.
yes, tyrannybytes, let us know if you run into any of those "numeric obsessed whack jobs". some may be hiding under your bed but i suggest the first place to check is in the mirror.
this cat makes troy look like a Quaker librarian. let's take up a collection to get him into an Ursus V11 before he hits breakup velocity
I was going to contact the Guardian to 'vent my spleen' after I did some research myself and found out how ridiculous this thing was -
however I think you have missed what the journalist in question was trying to say when he replied. The column that he writes is a small section called 'Far Out' and does indeed generally cover issues which would not get any coverage in a serious broadsheet - recent columns have covered all sorts of topics that would not look out of place on these message boards - Scientology, million year old frogs etc. - the point he was making about this piece was that it is a 'science' story that, if true, would revolutionise how we look at physics. However, he doesn't say that it is true, and most Guardian readers (like myself) would have the sense to look into the story further - if they didn't, then they don't deserve to be reading a groovy liberal broadsheet like the Guardian.
I think the Guardians' journalistic integrity remains intact, and if the Science section hadn't got a 'wacky' corner, then it wouldn't be such a good read.
1. Granted the article was in the "far out" section but the reporter still didn't do enough to qualify the statements he was making. Furthermore, he did *nothing* to investigate them. Also, it's important to remember in this Web-enabled age that people who read your articles don't necessarily read your entire paper, and might not know the article is in the "far out" section.
2. The Guardian has another section in their paper that would have been more appropriate: the "bad science" section.
People like Hurtubise use institutions like The Guardian to transfer responsibility for the claims they make away from themselves and onto the institution. It's a simple, age-old process, and it works like this:
1. Wacko makes claim
2. Institution parrots wacko's claims, without sufficiently investigating and/or qualifying them.
3. Wacko proclaims to the world, "My claims are valid - see, <Institution> even says so."
4. The public believes wacko's claims, because they appear to be endorsed by <Institution>.
The Guardian can't be so naive as to be unaware of this dynamic, and putting the article in the "far out" section doesn't do enough to absolve them of bad journalism, in this case, in my opinion.
It's nice to see that the general democratic right, the freedom of speech, withers and falls to pieces under the weight of your critical thumb,intjudo.
People are going to believe whatever their little people hearts desire, despite your crusade for glaringly obvious truths. I for one couldn't give a rat's ass...without stupidity, we wouldn't have a relative measurement for genius.
I enjoyed the article for its' entertainment value, and was rather heartened that there's still backwoods Canadians tinkering away in their shops.
My question to you is this:
Why are you so threatened by Mr.Hurtubise? The amount of time, effort, and consideration you've put into this 'quack' is quite involved...nearly prolific.
Free speech and the right to give crackpots a stage to spread BS aside, news media that doesn't inform the public about the real world IS a real problem that has very negative consequences.
I know when I pick up the Sun, The Weekly World News, or Policeman's Gazzette, I'm not getting a reliable source of news. But when I pick up the Washington Post, the New York Times, or turn on CBS or CNN, I would assume that I am getting a reliable source of news. The problem is, all of those media outlets have been the victims of outright journalistic fraud over the last 20 years. In some of these cases, journalists have won Pulitzer prizes for stories that they simply made up.
People's understanding of the world effects how they vote and how they treat others, and people get that understanding of the world through the "non-fiction" section of the news stand. It would be nice if it really were non-fiction.
". I for one couldn't give a rat's ass...without stupidity, we wouldn't have a relative measurement for genius."
Does it make you feel better about yourself when you see people who are slow witted or crackpots?