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Transgenic, hair-growing plants
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Categories: Science Posted by Alex on Thu Mar 04, 2004 |
Comments (14) |
I found your article while reading more on the cactus project and was quite surprised to see your argument, which for me is based around pure disbelief. Well perhaps it doesn't surprise me as the nature of the site is to put most things into disbelief. In your argument you don't seem to have actually contacted the artist - but rather done a quick Google search which seems to me to be what you are drawing your conclusions on, again this does perhaps not surprise me. I have a problem with several of your statements when reading up on the project which I must say intrigued me
. The comparison to the emoti-plant seems to me pathetic as the basis of this project draws its line on assumptions that there are such genes - an idea that is already questionable and furthermore it seems to just be imitating another technique. Perhaps the one used in the cactus project - I must say I am not sure. Actually, regardless that this project has little bearing on the other I would dare to argue that the emoti-plant project is not a hoax - for can art ever be categorized as hoaxes - surely intentions would be different, it is more an idea perhaps - I think a nice idea. I guess you cold say I fundamentally disagree with you on this stand and find the argumentation in any direction lacking insight and research. I think that transgenic art such as the cactus project would be more harmed by this type of utterances than anything else, unless you have spoken to the artist
Posted by Lars Olsen in Norway on Tue Mar 09, 2004 at 06:22 PM
Human hair is composed of cells. Each cell is comprised of 23 pairs of genes. To have a hair growing catcus the cactus must be able to produce these cells with 23 pairs of genes being that the cactus does not have 23 pairs of genes it is impossible for it to grow human hair.
Posted by J on Wed Mar 10, 2004 at 02:05 PM
J, do you mean chromosomes, instead of genes?
What makes me skeptical is that surely there's more than one gene responsible for the creation of hair, so it wouldn't be like simply splicing one gene into the cactus's genome. You would have to completely reengineer the cactus.
Posted by Alex in San Diego on Wed Mar 10, 2004 at 02:44 PM
What makes me skeptical is that surely there's more than one gene responsible for the creation of hair, so it wouldn't be like simply splicing one gene into the cactus's genome. You would have to completely reengineer the cactus.
Yeah Yeah, same difference... it's been 3 years since biology
Posted by J on Fri Mar 12, 2004 at 01:38 PM
Seeing how I work with cactus daily - by looking at the low rez images - it would be very easy to fake the images - Simply plucky the spines and inserting human hair would be time comsuming but doable.
Posted by Malinee in Pasadena on Wed Sep 01, 2004 at 11:02 PM
Has there been any news if this is for real or a fake?
Posted by Sabrina P in Quebec, Canada on Thu Nov 25, 2004 at 04:36 AM
There is a lot of demonstrably authentic technical background to the project, described at lauracinti.com. There is every reason to think that "Agrobacterium-mediated transformation" (google it) can really introduce a human keratin gene into the cactus nucleus. It's also possible that these "hairs" only superficially resemble human hair - their microscopic structure may be quite different.
Posted by mitch p. on Fri Dec 24, 2004 at 04:56 AM
Sorry, but no.
The idea that you could just bung the gene for keratin into a cactus (regardless of whether you are using A. tumifaciens or colloidal gold or a gene gun or what-have-you (and I speak as someone who has actually done this kind of work)) and have it produce hair, or even anything hair-like, is patently absurd. There is a very sophisticated machinery involved, not only in producing hair, but even in making multimers of keratin from the monomeric gene product. The genes (yes, there are multiple ones) for keratin do not encode the long, fibrous product that is found in the middle of hairs. They produce little piddly microscopic monomers -- you need complex biological machinery to assemble them into anything remotely resembling a fibre, and cacti just don't have it.
Posted by Alex K. in Edmonton, Alberta on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:53 PM
The idea that you could just bung the gene for keratin into a cactus (regardless of whether you are using A. tumifaciens or colloidal gold or a gene gun or what-have-you (and I speak as someone who has actually done this kind of work)) and have it produce hair, or even anything hair-like, is patently absurd. There is a very sophisticated machinery involved, not only in producing hair, but even in making multimers of keratin from the monomeric gene product. The genes (yes, there are multiple ones) for keratin do not encode the long, fibrous product that is found in the middle of hairs. They produce little piddly microscopic monomers -- you need complex biological machinery to assemble them into anything remotely resembling a fibre, and cacti just don't have it.
I have recently researched the cactus project and feel that what cinti has done is indeed possible, i have been studying genetic modification and transgenic genes for the past 7 years and now realise how it can be done. Alot of people say it is impossible and pathetic but if you have the intelligence and knowledge it can be done.
Posted by Nadia Colburg in spain on Mon Jul 25, 2005 at 08:03 AM
It doesn't matter if it's real or not, what does it evoke in you? Are you comfortable with the potential, with the idea, with the image. Are comfortable with the combination, are you at ease with genetic modification? These are questions worth debating, not whether Cinti's pulling a hoax or not. It is surprising that this debate is so narrow in context!
Posted by lordalmighty in hell on Tue Nov 08, 2005 at 09:34 AM
But it does matter if it's real or not. People's reaction will vary depending on whether or not its real. (Just as people's reaction to onscreen violence varies greatly depending on whether they think the violence is real or fake). It's useless to ask people what it evokes in them without first letting them know if it's real or fake (or leading them to believe it's either real or fake).
Posted by Alex in San Diego on Tue Nov 08, 2005 at 01:56 PM
Hello,
does anyone know why the webpage of the Cactus Project is note there anymore? I visited it about a month ago, but now I cannot... And, has it been clarified whether the cactus does really grow human hair or not?
thanks!
Posted by M in Madrid on Tue Nov 21, 2006 at 06:02 AM
does anyone know why the webpage of the Cactus Project is note there anymore? I visited it about a month ago, but now I cannot... And, has it been clarified whether the cactus does really grow human hair or not?
thanks!
This website helped but not a bunch sorry but it didnt! bye
Posted by kendall in 80751 on Sun Dec 17, 2006 at 07:25 PM
Cinti has a website,
Er, not anymore. You may want to axe that link. Definitely not safe for work, or kids, etc...
Posted by Jenn on Sun Dec 28, 2008 at 06:38 PM
Er, not anymore. You may want to axe that link. Definitely not safe for work, or kids, etc...
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