Plane With Flapping Wings
Status: Undetermined

I'm no aeronautical engineer, so I'm not qualified to say if the plane featured on the website of
JCR Technology could fly or not, though it sure doesn't look to me like it would ever get off the ground. Apparently it's supposed to fly by means of eight flapping wings, located on either side of the plane. The website is entirely in French, so I can't determine if this is simply some kind of thought experiment, or a real plane that someone is trying to build. Definitely check out the computer-graphic simulations of the plane flying (look under the 'images' tab). Even in the simulations, it doesn't look like it could fly. There's a
photostream on Flickr showing a crosssection of this plane being displayed at the Salon International des Inventions in Geneva, which seems to be a convention for people with crazy inventions.
Posted By: Alex | Date:
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Looks like something from a Miyazaki film..
Ornithopter-style planes have been thought up for years.. Main problem being that moving that much mass takes energy. While it might work, it sure as hell wouldn't be efficient, or quiet.
Personally, what I'm interested in is some reasearch that's been done on 'semi-dirigibles'.. half plane, half airship. Relies on lift gas but also a bit of speed to keep it up, but allows for much larger cabin section.
Posted by Robin Bobcat in Californian Wierdo on Sun Apr 09, 2006 at 10:36 PM
There have been a lot of succesfull (model) ornithopters built, and you can even buy a compressed air powered version, but all of them relied on them being launched by some power source. When people have tried to take off using the wings, as they approach takeoff speed, the ornithopter starts hopping up and down, and this wrecks the undercarriage.
Posted by eg in england on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:30 AM
Alex, try running the page through Babel Fish. The translations are by no means perfect, but it should help you understand what it says.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Posted by Henri on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 04:52 AM
I really don't see how they could get this to work for an aircraft using only those "wings" shown on their working models as a motive force, unless it is something like a dirigible. The wings have far too little surface area. The website compares the way they work to those of insects such as dragonflies and butterflies, but that's not a valid comparison. First, those insects have very lightweight bodies and a very large relative wing surface area. And also, most insects flex their wings in flight to increase lift (that's how bumblebees are able to get off the ground); the wings on this aircraft are very thick, rigid, narrow and short.
Sure, helicopters also have a small airfoil surface area compared to their weight, but then that's a completely different motion from these wing-paddle things.
They haven't discovered any new principles of aerodynamics or made any breakthroughs in technology. They just claim that, if they wave those wings fast enough and in the right sequence, then they can get airborne. Which is exactly the same technique tried by people for centuries, without success.
They do mention that they think this will work well for submarines and boats, and for that it very well might. It would be just like using oars. They also mention using it on land vehicles, which seems rather fanciful to me. What really makes me wonder, though, is where they mention using this technology for spaceflight in a vacuum. That's such complete nonsense that it makes me question the rest of their work.
Posted by Accipiter in the Northern Hemisphere, unless They have lied. on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 06:37 AM
Here is some interesting information.
I checked out and found the interview article of JCR Cameroon origin inventor (French site buta-connection.net ). JCR presented this concept inspired by insect flying at famous Bourget Air show last year (I checked it, it is true) but the authorities did not give them permit to fly JCR002 with human pilot, so they just exhibited the static model of JCR001.
According to the inventor, this plane with vertical take-off/landing capacity is safer and less noisy than ordinary plane and may attract many people of his continent who cannot afford traveling in jetplane.
I doubt strongly this plane could really fly with today's technology…
Katy in France
Posted by katy kurione in France on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 09:55 AM
Darn it! I wanted to be the first to translate it from french. I've taken all my classes in french for nine years and never get to use it.
Posted by Dracul on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 11:09 AM
For what I have seen, using my French, they have several claims about the new technology that don't waste time proving (it's safer, better, cheaper, etc), all they have to show is diagrams and a non-working section of the plane with one wing on each side and very pretty seats inside, some lame escuse about not being authorized to show a working/flying model, and then several requests to buy actions of their company... looks like a scam to me. Either that or they are delusional.
Posted by JP Mota in Portugal on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 02:48 PM
orry: by "actions", I mean "stocks" as in "stock exchange".
Posted by JP Mota in Portugal on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 02:52 PM
I can fly and I don´t even have wings.
;P
Posted by Beasjt on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 06:47 AM
I am an aerospace engineer (as are some of the other responders, judging from their comments).
This is clearly a joke. Aerodynamically speaking it is not even an attractive brick. Being so obviously a joke, please take my comments purely in the spirit of scientific conjecture. I wouldn’t be an engineer if I didn’t take the time to belabor the obvious.
What jumps out at me from that mock-up is the following:
1.As has been mentioned, the “wings” are poorly designed for their purpose being far too small, rigid and the wrong shape. Even rotating or sweeping, they would about equalize lift and what I am going to call “negative lift”—that is: a force acting in opposition to lift in the way that drag opposes thrust.
2.A system with this many wings would have a fundamental problem with wake-turbulence from the forward wings fouling the lift on the aft wings. This is especially true as the rectangular cross-section of the wings (and the vertical empennage) would create a nightmare of turbulent flow in subsonic flight. And despite their claim of “very high speed,” the idea of supersonic flight propelled by flapping wings is one of the things that makes this so obviously a joke even if the shape of the wings and the fuselage weren’t so obviously unsuited for it.
3.A dragonfly’s wing is a marvel of micro-aerodynamics involving a great deal more than synchronized flapping and sweeping. They function, if I remember correctly (we didn’t spend a lot of time on bugs in aerodynamics), by transferring a micro-vortex from the wake of the forward wing to the leading-edge of the aft wing largely using the flexibility of the wings to accomplish this. Low-speed, micro-aerodynamic systems (particularly turbulent ones like the dragonfly) are a poor model for high-speed, macro systems like a jumbo-jet. The rules are different.
Posted by JD in El Seguundo on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 07:27 AM
it's a scam ... a well conceived one but still a scam, this is not able to fly. they go toward people in africa and try to get money from them to fullfill there 'project' with presentation using words common people don't understand trying to impress them.
Posted by julien in france on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 04:12 AM
I can fly too!
Posted by hello hello in california on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 09:40 AM
Ooo Ooo pick me pick me i can fly too
Posted by qtpi in BLAH on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 09:43 AM
Yes, it is complete crap - I saw the cabin section mock-up in Geneva, surrounded by earnest-looking crackpots or conmen (or both).
However, the wing design does have one interesting feature: the metal wing frame has flexible segments hanging down from the underside sort of like steps on a ladder. This means that on the downsweep, the flexible segments are pressed against the frame to create a closed surface. On the upsweep, the segments open up to allow air to pass through, thus creating much less drag/downward lift than on the downsweep.
But of course the design is still complete garbage. Even if enough power could be generated, the wings would shake themselves to bits at the required speeds. Perhaps the nicest thing to say is that it might work underwater as a flapping submarine.
Posted by batman on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 02:28 PM
Wow. They really expect people to believe that thing will fly?
Their translator's not very good either. See "air immobilisation" (hovering?), "very big portance" (importance?), "very weak congestion" (slight nasal problems?). And don't forget "conviviality" and "evolutivity," which, AFAIK, are not words at all!
Posted by Ian on Wed Apr 12, 2006 at 10:17 PM
Strange phone number for Delaware.
JCR TECHNOLOGY CORPORATION
3500 SOUTH DUPONT HIGHWAY
DOVER , DE 19901, USA.
Tel/Fax : (00 1) 302 213 91 61
Posted by jd on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 07:11 AM
No, I take that back. That is Delaware's area code. Still, this hardly seems like a website written by anyone for whom English is their mother tongue.
Posted by dd on Fri Apr 14, 2006 at 07:14 AM
Ennemies of new things are the old things, or a lack of humility. I also was in geneva, there was a great demonstration on saturday 08 april at 12h, a dynamics lift of their jcr oo2, proving that it work, since the force created by the flapping of two wings(25 kgx2)could lift up an engine of 600 kg with just a 125 horse power motor! in front of cameras, public measured a lift of 12 cm and 14.5 cm!!!It's a fact, nobody need to believe a scientific fact!
I saw the following contribution some where on this web site...
"Real Discoveries Dismissed as Hoaxes
Status: Not Hoaxes
A few days ago the Financial Times ran a brief list of major technological breakthroughs that were either ignored or ridiculed. This raises an interesting issue: the danger of over-skepticism, or dismissing startling new discoveries as hoaxes simply because one refuses to believe that anything new or out-of-the-ordinary can be real. I can't find a link to the FT story, but here's a summary of their list:
The Wright Brothers' discovery of flight: "When two American bicycle repairmen claimed to have built the world's firstaircraft in 1903, they were dismissed as cranks. Newspapers refused to send reporters or photographers to witness any of the flights. More than two years later, Scientific American magazine was still insisting that the story was a hoax. By that time, the Wright brothers had completed a half-hour flight covering 24 miles."
Steam Turbine Propulsion: "The claim of Irish engineer Charles Parsons to have developed a radically new form of marine propulsion was scorned by the Admiralty, until his steam turbine vessel made an unauthorised appearance at the 1897 Spithead naval review going at 37 knots - faster than any other vessel in the fleet."
Atoms as a source of energy: "The idea that atoms could be a source of energy millions of times more potent than coal or oil was dismissed by the Nobel Prize-winning physicist Ernest Rutherford as "moonshine"."
Amorphous semiconductor materials: "During the 1950s, self-taught American physicist Stanford Ovshinsky found a way of creating materials lacking a regular crystal structure - an achievement dismissed as impossible by scientists. They are now standard components in devices ranging from flat-panel displays to solar cells."
Lasers: "While developing the technology behind the laser, American physicist Charles Townes was approached by two Nobel-Prize-winning colleagues who told him he was wasting his time and threatening their funding. Even after the first laser was built in 1960, it was described as "a solution looking for a problem"."
The Scanning Tunnelling Microscope: "The Scanning Tunnelling Microscope (STM), invented by scientists at IBM in Zurich in the early 1980s, now plays a key role in fields ranging from biology to nanotechnology. But many scientists remained deeply suspicious of the claims made for the STM until its inventors won the Nobel Prize for physics in 1986."
Posted by Severin in paris, france on Mon Apr 17, 2006 at 02:29 AM
I love airplanes, one reason I joined the Ari Force, and ornithoptors predate the Wright brothers and have never worked. Never as in not once. This "plane" reminds me of Caproni's Ca.60 Noviplano in terms of the sheer number of wings. Anthony Fokker got a plane in the air with five (fixed) wings, perhaps on a bet, but nothing with more wings than that has flown. So, this thing would fail on two well tested principles. The induced drag from the turbulence created by flapping those wings would negate any lift/thrust that might possibly happen from the wings after the first set. Hoax/scam.
Posted by Christopher Cole in Tucson, AZ on Thu Apr 20, 2006 at 05:21 PM
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