Philippine Urban Legends (Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper)
Status: urban legends
An article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer records some Philippine urban legends: the "White Lady" of Balete Drive, Robina Gokongwei's "snake twin" lurking in department store dressing rooms, the elusive "kapre" that lives in an ancient mango tree near the Emilio Aguinaldo house in Kawit town, and Andres Bonifacio's love child from a place aptly named Libog (now Santo Domingo) in Albay province. None of those mean much to me. But most of the article is devoted to discussing two other Philippine legends that are of more general interest. The first one is that Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines, "was the father of Adolf Hitler, the result of an indiscretion with a prostitute in Vienna." The second one is that Jose Rizal was also Jack the Ripper:Rizal was in London from May 1888 to January 1889, in the British Library copying "Sucesos de las islas Filipinas" by hand because there were no photocopying machines at the time. Jack the Ripper was active around this time, and since we do not know what Rizal did at night or on the days he was not
in the library, some people would like to believe Rizal is suspect. They argue that when Rizal left London, the Ripper murders stopped. They say that Jack the Ripper must have had some medical training, based on the way his victims were mutilated. Rizal, of course, was a doctor. Jack the Ripper liked women, and so did our own Rizal. And -- this is so obvious that many overlooked it -- Jose Rizal's initials match those of Jack the Ripper!
If Jack the Ripper did turn out to be Filipino, that would throw a wrench in his status as the Most Evil Brit of all time.
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Category: Law/Police/Crime, Places, Urban Legends
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wait wait wait...so you're telling me that a Great man like Jose Rizal could do wrong? The liberator of the Philippines could also be bad? I must concur!
The masses continue to swallow the crap that they are fed. Fanatics who believe that such a great man cannot do wrong.
Jose Rizal was a great man and as noble as he was, he was still human. He was still subject to flaws and misjudgments. Understand that all great leaders has their ups and their downs. They were ambiguous. Not even Gandhi was a 100% saint.
I entreat you to open your mind and eyes and see what is beyond the veil that has been put before us!
A time will come when we will use our brains once again.
Posted by zarathustra in mountains on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:53 AM
The masses continue to swallow the crap that they are fed. Fanatics who believe that such a great man cannot do wrong.
Jose Rizal was a great man and as noble as he was, he was still human. He was still subject to flaws and misjudgments. Understand that all great leaders has their ups and their downs. They were ambiguous. Not even Gandhi was a 100% saint.
I entreat you to open your mind and eyes and see what is beyond the veil that has been put before us!
A time will come when we will use our brains once again.
Whoopsie, eon. It looks as though there's a teensy-weensy little flaw in your argument. I'd already meant to leave you to your childish games and forgotten all about this, until I read a TIME article on Jack the Ripper recently.
The famous letter you keep harping on about is the Lusk letter, isn't it? That's the one that came with a kidney(it's not even 100% sure that the kidney was human). Well, eon, the letter's written in English, not Spanish, and there is nothing in it at all that would point to Jose Rizal more than any other person. The other half of the kidney was never found anywhere, let alone linked to Rizal.
Well, there goes eon's idiotic little argument. My advice to you is, if you want to troll around a little with absurd accusations, then make up something more convincing, okay?
Posted by concerned Filipino in the Philippines on Sat Jul 12, 2008 at 09:12 PM
The famous letter you keep harping on about is the Lusk letter, isn't it? That's the one that came with a kidney(it's not even 100% sure that the kidney was human). Well, eon, the letter's written in English, not Spanish, and there is nothing in it at all that would point to Jose Rizal more than any other person. The other half of the kidney was never found anywhere, let alone linked to Rizal.
Well, there goes eon's idiotic little argument. My advice to you is, if you want to troll around a little with absurd accusations, then make up something more convincing, okay?
Concerned,
There you go again assuming and claiming like you know it all. This my friend is your problem. You simulate perspicacity so that we, the people, don't see how idiotic you are.
1. No it's not the Lusk Letter so your whole argument is null and void. LEARN TO READ!
2. Even if it was the Lusk Letter, that's just one point of my argument. The rest remains.
3. My philosophy is still this - I make no claims, just theories.
4. After one whole year you come back with your neophetic research. Also, You were thinking about how to get back at me for one full year!!!
and Of course...to no avail.
My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you SEEM to be.
Posted by eon in nyc on Mon Jul 14, 2008 at 05:23 AM
There you go again assuming and claiming like you know it all. This my friend is your problem. You simulate perspicacity so that we, the people, don't see how idiotic you are.
1. No it's not the Lusk Letter so your whole argument is null and void. LEARN TO READ!
2. Even if it was the Lusk Letter, that's just one point of my argument. The rest remains.
3. My philosophy is still this - I make no claims, just theories.
4. After one whole year you come back with your neophetic research. Also, You were thinking about how to get back at me for one full year!!!
and Of course...to no avail.
My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you SEEM to be.
Let's review your so-called "evidence", shall we? I just happened to reread your earlier comments, and found some, shall we say...disturbing...things.
"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's
http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/rizal10.jpg
http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/rizal13.jpg
how interesting."
The two links shown are in Spanish. You probably hoped no one here could read Spanish. Unfortunately for you... The first link is a paper of the La Liga Filipina, the civic association he founded. The second link is his final poem, Mi Ultimo Adios.
How interesting indeed.
You FOB, did you really think you'd fool anyone with such a stupid little trick? You probably thought you were so smart, didn't you? Well, looks as though the game's up, FOB. There you go, with all your "theories", all your high-and-mighty posing.
No wonder you were saying "even if it was the Lusk letter". You probably don't even know what the Lusk letter is, and you were getting worried I'd find out.
My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you
SEEM to be.
Posted by concerned Filipino in the Philippines on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 02:25 AM
"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's
http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/rizal10.jpg
http://www.univie.ac.at/Voelkerkunde/apsis/aufi/rizal/rizal13.jpg
how interesting."
The two links shown are in Spanish. You probably hoped no one here could read Spanish. Unfortunately for you... The first link is a paper of the La Liga Filipina, the civic association he founded. The second link is his final poem, Mi Ultimo Adios.
How interesting indeed.
You FOB, did you really think you'd fool anyone with such a stupid little trick? You probably thought you were so smart, didn't you? Well, looks as though the game's up, FOB. There you go, with all your "theories", all your high-and-mighty posing.
No wonder you were saying "even if it was the Lusk letter". You probably don't even know what the Lusk letter is, and you were getting worried I'd find out.
My advice to you is this...don't speak. The less you do, the smarter you
SEEM to be.
hahaha
I don't know who to pity...you for lacking the mental capacity for a rebuttal or me, for entertaining such an asinine fool.
1. I actually speak Spanish and it doesn't matter what language his writings are in you fool. They are still his writings. Those writings are meant to be compared with the RIPPER letters. Hence the reason I asked to look at the similarities. I feel as if I'm arguing with a little boy.
2. You insult other readers by telling them it's in Spanish. I think it's pretty clear that it is NOT in English nor is it in Tagalog. Jack the Ripper wrote in English. I think it's pretty obvious that those writings are not Jack The Ripper's. You are the fool for assuming that one is Jack the Ripper's and the other Jose Rizal's.
3. I said "Even if it was the Lusk Letter" to prove to you that it's only one part of my argument. I didn't say it was the Lusk Letter. Again, you take words out of context. I'm afraid you'll have to practice English more. Your reading comprehension skills are, shall we say, sub par. Go to like Embassy or something and talk to the posers over there to hone your skills. Your "BOOK" English is simply insufficient.
4. Oh yes...now I'm a FOB.
Once again, you have replied and have produced nothing. The only thing different this time is that you called me a FOB. Is that a new word for you? Has it just reached the Philippines? You must think you're cool for using that new hip word. My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB.
Have you even stepped out of the Philippines little man? ` Know your place, boy.
It would be more noble of you to admit defeat. You try so hard...but to no avail.
My advice to you...
"If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not." - SFB
Posted by eon in nyc on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 06:01 AM
I don't know who to pity...you for lacking the mental capacity for a rebuttal or me, for entertaining such an asinine fool.
1. I actually speak Spanish and it doesn't matter what language his writings are in you fool. They are still his writings. Those writings are meant to be compared with the RIPPER letters. Hence the reason I asked to look at the similarities. I feel as if I'm arguing with a little boy.
2. You insult other readers by telling them it's in Spanish. I think it's pretty clear that it is NOT in English nor is it in Tagalog. Jack the Ripper wrote in English. I think it's pretty obvious that those writings are not Jack The Ripper's. You are the fool for assuming that one is Jack the Ripper's and the other Jose Rizal's.
3. I said "Even if it was the Lusk Letter" to prove to you that it's only one part of my argument. I didn't say it was the Lusk Letter. Again, you take words out of context. I'm afraid you'll have to practice English more. Your reading comprehension skills are, shall we say, sub par. Go to like Embassy or something and talk to the posers over there to hone your skills. Your "BOOK" English is simply insufficient.
4. Oh yes...now I'm a FOB.
Once again, you have replied and have produced nothing. The only thing different this time is that you called me a FOB. Is that a new word for you? Has it just reached the Philippines? You must think you're cool for using that new hip word. My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB.
Have you even stepped out of the Philippines little man? ` Know your place, boy.
It would be more noble of you to admit defeat. You try so hard...but to no avail.
My advice to you...
"If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not." - SFB
Still name-calling as ever, because you're getting desperate...
There's just one little problem with your otherwise good argument, FOB.
"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's"
Right after this line of yours are the two links, indicating that those two links are the "information".
So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare. Also, the Ripper letters may have been written by different people. For the record, his handwriting doesn't look the same to me.
3. "Go to like Embassy" You really amuse me with your grammar.
4. "My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet
cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB."
Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you? How do you know my clan's income or whether I go to Internet cafes? Oh, wait, it's more of your usual irrelevant personal attacks, without regard for whether what you say is true or not. I thought you placed high value on factual validity?
Even though you're losing, you should stay on topic and avoid fallacies of irrelevance. Ya dig, FOB?
"Know your place, boy."
Ooh, I'm shaking, FOB. You're just a second-class citizen in the US and already you're trying-hard to imitate their arrogance. It's so pathetic.
By the way, did you see this comment?
"Hello
This is new information to us, that Filipino physician Dr. Jose Rizal has been considered to be Jack the Ripper by anybody. There is, as stated, no evidence to prove that he was other than he was in London at the time, which seems to be manifestly weak evidence.
Christopher T. George
Editor, Ripperologist"
That's a Ripperologist already. Since you, you know, like to show how you use expert opinions as sources.
Give it up already. Your comments have degenerated to nothing but defensive flaming.
Posted by concerned Filipino in the Philippines on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 02:33 AM
There's just one little problem with your otherwise good argument, FOB.
"upon further investigation...this information was found...similarities noting the f's"
Right after this line of yours are the two links, indicating that those two links are the "information".
So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare. Also, the Ripper letters may have been written by different people. For the record, his handwriting doesn't look the same to me.
3. "Go to like Embassy" You really amuse me with your grammar.
4. "My sole income surpasses that of your whole clan combined. I doubt a poor boy like yourself who has to go to an internet
cafe to reply to my posts has any right to call anyone a FOB."
Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you? How do you know my clan's income or whether I go to Internet cafes? Oh, wait, it's more of your usual irrelevant personal attacks, without regard for whether what you say is true or not. I thought you placed high value on factual validity?
Even though you're losing, you should stay on topic and avoid fallacies of irrelevance. Ya dig, FOB?
"Know your place, boy."
Ooh, I'm shaking, FOB. You're just a second-class citizen in the US and already you're trying-hard to imitate their arrogance. It's so pathetic.
By the way, did you see this comment?
"Hello
This is new information to us, that Filipino physician Dr. Jose Rizal has been considered to be Jack the Ripper by anybody. There is, as stated, no evidence to prove that he was other than he was in London at the time, which seems to be manifestly weak evidence.
Christopher T. George
Editor, Ripperologist"
That's a Ripperologist already. Since you, you know, like to show how you use expert opinions as sources.
Give it up already. Your comments have degenerated to nothing but defensive flaming.
"Still name-calling as ever, because you're getting desperate..." You began to call me a FOB lol! How you don't realize that you are the one who initiates the name calling and still label me a "name-caller" escapes me! I'm convinced you are retarded.
"So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare." - Oh I'm sure you're right there! Why don't we just get rid of forensics altogether? It's preposterous for an idiot like you to discredit handwriting analysis. Do you truly believe you are qualified to make that claim?
"So we'll suspect Rizal know because..." I believe what you are trying to say is, "So we'll suspect Rizal NOW because..." I am correct once more...I have proven your book English is lacking. You had a few days to revise your reply and you still failed.
Now that I've pointed out your fault, I can answer that question. I present the information, I leave the implications to the masses.
"'Go to like Embassy' You really amuse me with your grammar." - Apparently I wrote that to sound snotty. It's not like me to even sound like that. My mistake would be in assuming you would learn to stop taking things out of context and learn to "read between the lines."
"Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you..."
As for your whole statement there, you've already been caught lying before...I know you are poor. The fact that you simulate erudition(defense) and you don't have immediate internet access.
"By the way, did you see this comment?..."
Yes I saw it. It is but one person's opinion. I have my own. I consider his could be right, and it may also be wrong.
"Even though you're losing." hahaha!
1. Everything you bring up, I destroy. I've pointed out your shortcomings...now you are just grasping. You have nothing.
2. You're on the attack. You're attacking ideas I set forth a year ago. If I'm losing, then why are you losing sleep? For argument's sake(I'm not saying this is true...it's hypothetical. I'm stating this because you have a history of taking things out of context), If you won, why, after a year, would you come back to beat me even more lol? Only the worst type of animal prey upon the fallen yes?
Unfortunately, your actions are not because you are a scavenger. You are on the attack because you want to redeem yourself and one only redeems themselves when they feel lowly. Why don't you read what others think about you? People in the Philippines are telling you to shut up...even with my conceit and arrogant bravado.
Posted by eon in nyc on Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 06:28 AM
"So we'll suspect Rizal know because his handwriting looks like the Ripper's? Comparing handwriting is very inexact, so it's pointless to compare." - Oh I'm sure you're right there! Why don't we just get rid of forensics altogether? It's preposterous for an idiot like you to discredit handwriting analysis. Do you truly believe you are qualified to make that claim?
"So we'll suspect Rizal know because..." I believe what you are trying to say is, "So we'll suspect Rizal NOW because..." I am correct once more...I have proven your book English is lacking. You had a few days to revise your reply and you still failed.
Now that I've pointed out your fault, I can answer that question. I present the information, I leave the implications to the masses.
"'Go to like Embassy' You really amuse me with your grammar." - Apparently I wrote that to sound snotty. It's not like me to even sound like that. My mistake would be in assuming you would learn to stop taking things out of context and learn to "read between the lines."
"Aw, you're hurt, you widdle FOB you..."
As for your whole statement there, you've already been caught lying before...I know you are poor. The fact that you simulate erudition(defense) and you don't have immediate internet access.
"By the way, did you see this comment?..."
Yes I saw it. It is but one person's opinion. I have my own. I consider his could be right, and it may also be wrong.
"Even though you're losing." hahaha!
1. Everything you bring up, I destroy. I've pointed out your shortcomings...now you are just grasping. You have nothing.
2. You're on the attack. You're attacking ideas I set forth a year ago. If I'm losing, then why are you losing sleep? For argument's sake(I'm not saying this is true...it's hypothetical. I'm stating this because you have a history of taking things out of context), If you won, why, after a year, would you come back to beat me even more lol? Only the worst type of animal prey upon the fallen yes?
Unfortunately, your actions are not because you are a scavenger. You are on the attack because you want to redeem yourself and one only redeems themselves when they feel lowly. Why don't you read what others think about you? People in the Philippines are telling you to shut up...even with my conceit and arrogant bravado.
how could jose rizal be jack the ripper? when the questions still remains. is jose rizal a real person or just a fictitious character? made by the americans to control the minds of the filipino people? look at the character of jose rizal super brainy, master martial arts and a genius but at the end of the story shot at the back and tried to turned around and face the singing guns just to cover up embarrasment? these characters seems to control the culture of the minds of the filipino people not to fight with their goverment. to control the peoples belief and heroic act. not to die by the sword or guns to overcome tyranny. to win freedom by the use of pen only. is it successful? ninoy aquino did the same. shot at the back. died and left a picture on the 500 peso bill that looks very anxious. did the bloodless revolution solved the poverty and corruption or the government today? hero? never ending controversy still lingers in the air.
Posted by tira in manila on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:00 PM
Very intriguing.
Love it when the canonical value of histories and its figures is put to question.
A non-linear reading of the Spanish-Filipino relations in the 1800's reveals a different story from what is written in Philippine textbooks.
There is a different story to Rizal that is left unpublished.
Posted by Paolo on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 12:32 AM
Love it when the canonical value of histories and its figures is put to question.
A non-linear reading of the Spanish-Filipino relations in the 1800's reveals a different story from what is written in Philippine textbooks.
There is a different story to Rizal that is left unpublished.
It is very intriguing! I agree with it - that I do.
It's like Shakspeare and Sir Francis Bacon.
We, as human's are flawed. No one is perfect. A Hero can do wrong. A genius could be chemically imbalanced. This is nature.
Even Alexander the Great slaughtered hundreds of thousands of mercenaries when he didn't have to(he had already won the battle). Yet without Alexander would our world be the way it is today? He expanded to most of the known world and promoted the toleration of other cultures. How could a man who believes in the good of humanity kill hundreds of thousands of people?
The world must understand the ambiguous nature of man.
Posted by eon in nyc on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 04:56 AM
It's like Shakspeare and Sir Francis Bacon.
We, as human's are flawed. No one is perfect. A Hero can do wrong. A genius could be chemically imbalanced. This is nature.
Even Alexander the Great slaughtered hundreds of thousands of mercenaries when he didn't have to(he had already won the battle). Yet without Alexander would our world be the way it is today? He expanded to most of the known world and promoted the toleration of other cultures. How could a man who believes in the good of humanity kill hundreds of thousands of people?
The world must understand the ambiguous nature of man.
...Well, some might have been blinded by the things our school had been throwing upon us regarding this subject matter. Still, everyone is entitled for his opinion. I really had appreciated your interesting point of view eon....rack your brains concerned filipino!!!!!
...i don't think you can differentiate a THEORY froma FACT...even a grade 3 student knows that!!!if you don't beleive it...just shut up!!!!who cares anyway...this is only for people who are open minded!!!and i am so sure you are not one of them!!!!.......grow up will you!!!!!!!!
....dahhhhhhh......
Posted by zwicky szahsz in philippines on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:42 PM
...i don't think you can differentiate a THEORY froma FACT...even a grade 3 student knows that!!!if you don't beleive it...just shut up!!!!who cares anyway...this is only for people who are open minded!!!and i am so sure you are not one of them!!!!.......grow up will you!!!!!!!!
....dahhhhhhh......
>dumb
>embecile
>idiot
>moron
>stupid
>hipocrite
>FOB
....are you describing yourself concerned filipino????....
...kidstuff.......
Posted by zwicky szahsz in philippines on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:28 PM
>embecile
>idiot
>moron
>stupid
>hipocrite
>FOB
....are you describing yourself concerned filipino????....
...kidstuff.......
I've also learned that the killings that transpired in Whitechapel(Jack the Ripper) had a somewhat unexpected effect. The killings brought a lot of attention from around the world. Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation.
One of the many Freemasonic mottos is, "Ordo Ab Chao" meaning, Order out of Chaos. From these killings came order and the cleansing of the filth that existed in Whitechapel.
If you've read Rizal's works you could see his "means to an end" attitude...which was great! It's what made his novels so intriguing haha. His reference to the writing on the wall was well done!
Posted by eon on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 07:30 AM
One of the many Freemasonic mottos is, "Ordo Ab Chao" meaning, Order out of Chaos. From these killings came order and the cleansing of the filth that existed in Whitechapel.
If you've read Rizal's works you could see his "means to an end" attitude...which was great! It's what made his novels so intriguing haha. His reference to the writing on the wall was well done!
zwicky szahsz: Ooh sock puppet huh? You've got an addiction to exclamation marks in your meaningless rants. Cool off a little.
Of course there's a theory about Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper. Only thing is, it hasn't been proved. As such, it is not yet a fact, as even you said. Common sense would dictate that until it is proven that Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper, we'll assume he wasn't. I was arguing against it. That is my right in a free country, just as it is the right of certain attention whores to insult historical figures with bizarre conspiracy theories. Why so defensive? Is it because you know how silly your "theory" sounds? You know, if you had more confidence in this theory, you wouldn't have to take it so personally. Have more confidence people!
The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous. They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?
I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought
Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation."
Talk about innuendo taken to the next level. XD
Posted by concerned Filipino in the Philippines on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 05:46 AM
Of course there's a theory about Jose Rizal being Jack the Ripper. Only thing is, it hasn't been proved. As such, it is not yet a fact, as even you said. Common sense would dictate that until it is proven that Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper, we'll assume he wasn't. I was arguing against it. That is my right in a free country, just as it is the right of certain attention whores to insult historical figures with bizarre conspiracy theories. Why so defensive? Is it because you know how silly your "theory" sounds? You know, if you had more confidence in this theory, you wouldn't have to take it so personally. Have more confidence people!
The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous. They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?
I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought
Due to this fact, people had now seen the terrible living conditions that these men, women, and children were exposed to, and thus leading to a reformation."
Talk about innuendo taken to the next level. XD
"The fact is, eon and zwicky szahsz (who are probably the same person anyway) are being disingenuous."
Now you are the one believing in conspiracy theories...thinking that there is a conspiracy out there to kick you when you're down. Unfortunately, you are mistaken. I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already.
"They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question "I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?
I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought grin"
LOL! So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual? I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist? As I've stated before, your reasoning is flawed. Two rhetorical questions to debunk your entire statement.
Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."
Posted by eon in nyc on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 07:47 AM
Now you are the one believing in conspiracy theories...thinking that there is a conspiracy out there to kick you when you're down. Unfortunately, you are mistaken. I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already.
"They keep saying it's a theory, and then speak of it as if it were fact. The question "I've repeatedly asked eon, which he continues to evade, is whether he himself believes it or not. Answering "It's a theory" is mere evasion. What does he really think?
I wonder why eon argues so strongly for this "theory", while refusing to state directly that he believes it? Could it be because he knows how stupid it is? If he really believed it, he would say so. I've never heard of a thinker who developed a theory he didn't believe in. When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it. Just a thought grin"
LOL! So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual? I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist? As I've stated before, your reasoning is flawed. Two rhetorical questions to debunk your entire statement.
Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."
So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?
"I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already."
And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are. By the way, the one who's ranting is not me but your sock puppet back there. With grammar like his...well what can I say, birds of a feather flock together. XD
"So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?"
No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not. Are you sure you've graduated from grade school? Your grasp of basic English doesn't seem to be all that good. Perhaps it's due to being a FOB. :=D
"I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?"
This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was.
"Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."'
There's only one word to describe the above - hubris. I really pity you.
eon, what you call an "infinite world," the rest of the real world calls "profound detachment from reality." I do live in a finite world. And so do you. I advise you to get your head checked.
And while you're at it, quit quoting greater men to make yourself appear more intelligent. It's really pathetic.
I've already proved my point anyway. I have no problem with theories. I just don't believe in this one, because your evidence is sorely lacking. I was just concerned by your seeming inability to distinguish theory from fact. Now that you yourself are (finally) admitting that this is not a fact, then there's no problem.
Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern.
Posted by concerned Filipino in the Philippines on Mon Dec 29, 2008 at 11:56 PM
"I am not the one who, after a year, rekindles this old flame of ours with another rant haha. I've stated this already."
And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are. By the way, the one who's ranting is not me but your sock puppet back there. With grammar like his...well what can I say, birds of a feather flock together. XD
"So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?"
No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not. Are you sure you've graduated from grade school? Your grasp of basic English doesn't seem to be all that good. Perhaps it's due to being a FOB. :=D
"I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?"
This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was.
"Concerned, you live in a finite world, whilst I live in an infinite world and because of this, you will always be limited - in all that you do. Oscar Wilde once wrote, "To define is to limit."'
There's only one word to describe the above - hubris. I really pity you.
eon, what you call an "infinite world," the rest of the real world calls "profound detachment from reality." I do live in a finite world. And so do you. I advise you to get your head checked.
And while you're at it, quit quoting greater men to make yourself appear more intelligent. It's really pathetic.
I've already proved my point anyway. I have no problem with theories. I just don't believe in this one, because your evidence is sorely lacking. I was just concerned by your seeming inability to distinguish theory from fact. Now that you yourself are (finally) admitting that this is not a fact, then there's no problem.
Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern.
"So it takes "two" of you to beat me now?"
No it doesn't take two to beat you. It takes an iota of my intelligence to do so. I have done this already. People come across this site and see that you are so pathetic that they must comment on your stupidity.
"And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are."
No fool, I am not a hypocrite because I did not start the argument again after a 1 year hiatus. You still don't know what hypocrite means!
"'So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?'
'No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not.'"
Moron, it's a response to your previous remark, "When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it." Wow, you are truly an idiot.
"'I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?'
'This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. grin'"
It's apparent that you do not and cannot grasp the English language well. I simply stated that regardless of who believes in the theory of a God, if it exists, it exists.
In a way Concerned Filipino, I admire your persistence. However, your foundation and objective are way off. You try to be smart by using bigger words than you are normally accustomed to, but the problem is, you use them incorrectly or you don't understand what they truly mean. Stick to words you are familiar with.
A quote by Sir Francis Bacon would well accompany my thesis, "If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not."
I quote writers and philosophers because it is relevant and adds to the strength of my argument. It's not to show you how perspicacious I am. By you asking me to stop quoting people, you show your insecurity and your low self-esteem.
About me being an American Citizen...I'm sorry I can travel almost anywhere in the world with a blue passport? I mean, I just came back from Europe with little effort...that can't possibly be a negative thing.
I take pride in all that I do. I wouldn't have any heart if I wasn't proud of what I did. If I didn't, I'd be like you. I'd be insecure.
Posted by eon in nyc on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 06:43 AM
No it doesn't take two to beat you. It takes an iota of my intelligence to do so. I have done this already. People come across this site and see that you are so pathetic that they must comment on your stupidity.
"And then you keep responding right? What a hypocrite you are."
No fool, I am not a hypocrite because I did not start the argument again after a 1 year hiatus. You still don't know what hypocrite means!
"'So your argument is that one must believe in a theory for it to be factual?'
'No, you moron. I'm asking you whether you yourself believe in this theory or not.'"
Moron, it's a response to your previous remark, "When Newton devised the Theory of Gravity, he didn't not believe in it." Wow, you are truly an idiot.
"'I can theorize that there is a God, but must I believe in the theory for God to actually exist?'
'This argument is yet another attempt at evasion. You're saying that if something is true, it is whether or not people believe in it (and vice-versa). I agree, and that's why Rizal was not Jack the Ripper no matter how much you think he was. grin'"
It's apparent that you do not and cannot grasp the English language well. I simply stated that regardless of who believes in the theory of a God, if it exists, it exists.
In a way Concerned Filipino, I admire your persistence. However, your foundation and objective are way off. You try to be smart by using bigger words than you are normally accustomed to, but the problem is, you use them incorrectly or you don't understand what they truly mean. Stick to words you are familiar with.
A quote by Sir Francis Bacon would well accompany my thesis, "If you dissemble sometimes your knowledge of that you are thought to know, you shall be thought another time to know that you know not."
I quote writers and philosophers because it is relevant and adds to the strength of my argument. It's not to show you how perspicacious I am. By you asking me to stop quoting people, you show your insecurity and your low self-esteem.
About me being an American Citizen...I'm sorry I can travel almost anywhere in the world with a blue passport? I mean, I just came back from Europe with little effort...that can't possibly be a negative thing.
I take pride in all that I do. I wouldn't have any heart if I wasn't proud of what I did. If I didn't, I'd be like you. I'd be insecure.
"Anyone has the right to make up "theories" about the JFK assassination, pyramid power, and so on. No one's stopping you from making a fool of yourself, if that's your concern."
...i believe making a theory doesn't make you a fool....
LOL...really funny...
Posted by zwicky szahsz in philippines on Tue Jan 06, 2009 at 03:38 AM
...i believe making a theory doesn't make you a fool....
LOL...really funny...
For starters, the 10th Spanish Infantry Regiment was ordered to execute Rizal. Research from there.
Posted by eon in nyc on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 05:46 AM
eon and concerned filipino:
eon is only stating a theory. he doesn't have to believe it. he's simply stating it.
concerned filipino is obviously proud to be a filipino and because of this, s/he is against anyone who may have an inkling of destroying a reputation of the nation's known hero.
both of you are obviously smart people. it's just sad that instead of merely attacking the other person's opinion, you two have ended up attacking each other as a person.
Posted by mediator in philippines on Wed Feb 18, 2009 at 09:00 PM
eon is only stating a theory. he doesn't have to believe it. he's simply stating it.
concerned filipino is obviously proud to be a filipino and because of this, s/he is against anyone who may have an inkling of destroying a reputation of the nation's known hero.
both of you are obviously smart people. it's just sad that instead of merely attacking the other person's opinion, you two have ended up attacking each other as a person.
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