Philippine Urban Legends (Jose Rizal was Jack the Ripper)
Status: urban legends
An article from the Philippine Daily Inquirer records some Philippine urban legends: the "White Lady" of Balete Drive, Robina Gokongwei's "snake twin" lurking in department store dressing rooms, the elusive "kapre" that lives in an ancient mango tree near the Emilio Aguinaldo house in Kawit town, and Andres Bonifacio's love child from a place aptly named Libog (now Santo Domingo) in Albay province. None of those mean much to me. But most of the article is devoted to discussing two other Philippine legends that are of more general interest. The first one is that Jose Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines,
"was the father of Adolf Hitler, the result of an indiscretion with a prostitute in Vienna." The second one is that Jose Rizal was also Jack the Ripper:
Rizal was in London from May 1888 to January 1889, in the British Library copying "Sucesos de las islas Filipinas" by hand because there were no photocopying machines at the time. Jack the Ripper was active around this time, and since we do not know what Rizal did at night or on the days he was not
in the library, some people would like to believe Rizal is suspect. They argue that when Rizal left London, the Ripper murders stopped. They say that Jack the Ripper must have had some medical training, based on the way his victims were mutilated. Rizal, of course, was a doctor. Jack the Ripper liked women, and so did our own Rizal. And -- this is so obvious that many overlooked it -- Jose Rizal's initials match those of Jack the Ripper!
If Jack the Ripper did turn out to be Filipino, that would throw a wrench in his status as the
Most Evil Brit of all time.
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Well look who finally saved up enough money to go to the net cafe! Your excuse...you can't spend a few minutes outside study time? No immediate internet access is more like it. Come on, i'm 23, I work full time, I go to school, I run my own business, maintain my house, I party and still I have several minutes to spare. It probably takes you an hour or two to reply maybe more. That's why it tires you, because it hurts your brain. Nothing is Absolute. We are trained to believe whatever it is we were taught when we were young. I comply with the teachings but does it make it true? If A makes B move does it mean that A definitely is true? I understand the meaning of being sorry but I also stated that I'm still learning. I say FACTS in order for simpler minds to understand. I'm going by the sources that you would believe to be true; so to you, they are FACTS. You already know I contest everything. You state you are a studious fellow but you don't even know what suspect means. For example, there are 5 suspects, are all 5 guilty of the crime? Babies-if they were intelligent enough to orchestrate such crimes, tell the difference between the liver and the kidney, make incisions to take them out, lived in the vicinity, etc. then yes they would be suspects. Their whereabouts make them a suspect but it's not guaranteed that they did it. Having a suspect suggests further investigation. You didn't vary your words hence why i pointed it out. You use the same adjectives. Maybe you lack the vocabulary repertoire. I never said I didn't name call. I just pointed out that you did after you marked me a name caller making you the hypocrite. This is the second time I said this, do you understand it now? "What "questions" are these that you say I haven't responded to? Why don't you give an example? Are you just making it all up? Thought so" LOL you are such a dork! You would say "thought so" in a face to face conversation when the other party cannot respond to your questions instantaneously. Of course I can't answer your questions as you type them, I won't even see them until you submit your comment. "And how are YOU so sure of this? Did you know him personally? Ever speak to him? LOL. Just turned you argument back on you. That's gotta hurt." lol I am not 100% but you are so sure of yourself. You are the blind patriot fanatic remember? You have to state the reaction that i'm supposed to get? sounding desperate my friend. "So what if you said you don't name call, you still do, and you said I do, when you started it, so you're a hypocrite" You called me a name caller, you name called, I pointed out that you name called.(I used your own stuff against you, that’s gotta hurt!) Does that make me a hypocrite? It makes you a hypocrite.
Posted by eon in nyc on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:55 PM
lol money is what makes the world go 'round. do i have to go boiler room on you? you don't think money's that important? that's because you don't have it. money can be bad but it can also be really good. how do you think non profits survive? aiding third world countries? I don't care about the name calling, but I care about the cause. I do believe that no matter how stubborn one person is, they can still change. "If I can change, and you can change, everyone can change!" P.S. “You have ben caught calling others names” I see you too can make a typo.
Posted by eon in nyc on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 02:57 PM
The quote is 'If I can change, and you can change, everybody can change!'
hehehe I forgive you.
I just saw this new comment from museum of hoaxes new comments page and you guys are pretty hardcore on this topic.
I read what you guys have been writing and i have to say anything is possible.
I'm not familiar with this Jose Rizal gentleman but I believe in giving things a chance.
Maybe he did it so what?
It doesn't take anything away from you people.
Posted by rockyfan06 in roma, italy on Tue Mar 20, 2007 at 05:26 PM
I received a comment in my e-mail with a guy going berserk. It's not showing up here guess someone reported it.
Posted by eon in nyc on Wed Mar 21, 2007 at 04:30 PM
It was a one-off flamer so I deleted the comment.
Charybdis - Moderator
Posted by Charybdis in Hell on Thu Mar 22, 2007 at 06:30 AM
that's cool it's good to know MOH is being somewhat monitored.
Posted by eon in nyc on Thu Mar 22, 2007 at 06:02 PM
LOL. A whole paragraph just talking about money. It isn't even related to the topic. Just admit you're wrong already. It'll make things much easier.
But why do you insult my for how how rich I am? Is it because you've nothing else to say? You poor, poor man.
In the first place, just as you said I know nothing of you personally, you also know nothing about me. How do you know how much money I have? That's why you are so very funny.
"Money makes the world go round?" Do you really believe that? Are you really that maerialistic and greedy a person. I'm sorry. I mean, I just automatically assumed you were a Christian since most Filipinos are, and you know Christianity says you shouldn't care about money too much. But I guess I was wrong.
LOL, you really have no right to criticize me, because you're an archetype yourself - a Filipino who left his country, and now thinks he's superior to his countrymen back home. Well, your belief is wrong, of course, but since when did that stop people from believing the things they do? Personally, I don't think running away is very superior.
And it makes sense that you would focus on wealth in this discussion. I mean, it's the only thing you've got going for you.
"I do believe that no matter how
stubborn one person is, they can still change."
Was that intended for me? I think it should be for you.
Posted by concerned Filipino in Manila, the Philippines on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 11:27 PM
You don't care about name-calling do you? Well, I suppose, for someone of your moral caliber, that makes sense. But, since you say that you value serious discussion so much - do you think name-calling has any place in a serious discussion? (As I said before, I can do it because you started it. And you haven't stopped yet.
As for the typo, I still don't make as many as you. ;P
I really like the part about the net cafe. Why would you say that, considering you don't even know, or have any way of of knowing, where I post from? That proves that you are so desperate you've reached the stage where you just throw any insult you can at me, regardless of whether it's true or not. You're pathetic, you know that?
Same with you saying it takes me hours to respond. You have no way of knowing that. Hurt my brain? Don't kid yourself. I've argued with people who are a lot smarter than you, and unlike you, don't rely on insulting their opponent's person as in arguments.
And then, you spend several paragraphs proving nothing at all. Nice try. You still haven't answered my question - why do you say you don't accept anything as true, and then in the same breath say you are showing me facts?
"Simple minds?" You are too arrogant for your own good. The truth is, you are not as important a person as you think you are.
I know what suspect means. I already said that under your definition, everyone in London at the time would be a suspect. But Rizal didn't do it.
As for the whole next few paragraphs... why don't you stop struggling and just apologize? You say I'm the hypocrite for name calling you after I accused you. But I already said, 3 or more times, that my policy is it's okay to name call people after they do it to me. You started it.
And you didn't give me any examples of your questions that I haven't been able to answer. Wonder why?
Do I remember if I'm a blind patriot fanatic? No... because I'd have to be one before I can remember it right?
And I just thought of another, better word for you. Shameless.
Posted by concerned Filipino in Manila, the Philippines on Sun Apr 01, 2007 at 11:45 PM
First, no matter what you say money is important. Second, it wasn't my choice to come here but even if I were in the philippines, I'd still be well off. Three, I don't feel superior over filipinos, I feel superior over you. Four, you assume too much. You know what they say, when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me...but in this case...just yourself. Five, your policy to name call...who are you again? Six, you going to a net cafe of course is a hypothesis, an educated guess. I say it to mock you. Did you not know that? Seven, you stated this was a serious discussion. Eight, just admit it, you don't have immediate internet access that's why it takes you forever to reply. Stop making excuses, you're always on the defensive. Nine, people already comment on how idiotic you are, and how people should have an open mind and challenge the textbooks. Ten, You didn't know what suspect means nor did you know what hypocrite means before the people in this blog enlightened you. I was able to point it out, and other people pointed it out as well. Who lost? :D As for "not answering your questions" just REREAD the whole blog and you will see, I need not repeat myself and become as redundant as you.
Posted by eon in nyc on Mon Apr 02, 2007 at 06:24 AM
PeOpLe wHo ThiNk peOpLe wIths DIfFeReNcE OpInIonS iS eViL R rEaL fAnATix
Posted by JDavis in Soccertown, USA on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 08:28 AM
"PeOpLe wHo ThiNk peOpLe wIths DIfFeReNcE OpInIonS iS eViL R rEaL fAnATix"
i'm gonna have to agree. just think the crusades.
Posted by eon in nyc on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 04:18 AM
I stumbled on this thread by accident. Thought I'd read up on Rizal while all my relatives are out somewhere getting themselves tired -5-day holiday, lent season and all that.
And I hit on something good when I least expected it..serendi-- what do you call that now?
Postings from eon, concerned Filipino, and Davis have me in stitches. You guys are something. Really. Insults galore. Streaks of brilliance. Humor without intent.History. Tsismis.
This is better than Discovery Channel andNational Geographic combined.
Keep it up guys!
Posted by wallawalla in Paranaque, Philippines on Wed Apr 04, 2007 at 05:54 PM
haha thanks wallawalla, glad you're not taking it as seriously as some people do.
Posted by eon in nyc on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 02:53 AM
Hey, eon.
Yes, I enjoyed your banter with Filipino- but only to a point.
Perhaps you guys might want to get back to the subject of Rizal- Did he or didn' he? How did you guys know Jack the R. was a mason? If Jack the R. was a mason, then that rules out women as possible perpetrators because you could not be a mason if you are a woman, right?
Then after some substantial diccussion, you can get right back to firing away at each other and tearing your guts out.
We'd still be in the sidelines-LOL.
Posted by wallawalla in Philippines on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 03:53 AM
haha but you should join! 2 or more brains are better than one! i agree that it is getting out of hand...and I do say mean things, but i know my problem and i'm working on it hehe...i'm only 23...I still have lots to learn.
As far as Jack being a mason, there are many sites claiming he was. A site you can find such information is
http://freemasonrywatch.org/jacktheripper.html
Though I don't condone those sites as a petitioner. It might have slight "truths" in them. As you already know, I believe in hearing everyone's side of the story. The movie "From Hell" points to a masonic conspiracy. Although, the worshipful master(head of the lodge - usually takes at least 12 years to achieve) of the lodge by me, told me that based on his studies, he believes Jack the Ripper was a mason and the masonic timing of everything was just a coincidence. I'll gather more information.
Posted by eon in nyc on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 05:07 AM
Your friend the worshipful master, what did he mean by "masonic timing?" Are there special "masonic times?" Like a time to eat, a time to die, a time to kill? Masonic coincidence?
What is that?
Pray ask your WM friend to enlighten us further.
BTW eon, I admire young men who are "working" on certain perceived inadequacies.
And I am not patronizing you, Ok?
Now you go and seek out your WM friend and tell us about what he has to say about masonic timings.
BTW, again. I have been told that 'high noon' is significant to masons. But J the R killed {prowled?} at night. I am told also that lodge meetings are usually late afternoons. So maybe J the R sought out low flying palomas after attending lodge meetings?
Eon, I think your WM friend will have to tell you a lot more if we are to attach some masonic
ties to our 100-year old mystery.
Posted by wallawalla in Philippines on Thu Apr 05, 2007 at 04:44 PM
actually, the meetings are at night or maybe they vary from lodge to lodge or jurisdiction. At the lodge I visit, they start their meetings between 7:45pm-8:00pm. I was talking about it last night and I was told that slicing from ear to ear would be masonic relating more to the secrecy of the group. I searched it and found this site.
http://www.goodmorals.org/mormons/index.asp?poetlist=ChapterTwo.htm
"The Entered Apprentice's penalty for disclosing his secret grip is to have "the throat cut across from ear to ear, the tongue torn out by the roots, and the body buried up to the neck below the high tide line."
It states the other penalties for other degrees as well. I believe mary kelly suffered most of these penalties according to the autopsy reports.
I was told that in these times masonry is not as severe as before. Those were penalties for betraying such an elite group at the time. Now the society is open to those who inquire.
btw, thanks, knowing the problem is the first step. one of the masonic mottos are..."...make a good man a ‘better man."
Posted by eon in nyc on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 07:35 AM
Opened the site you suggested and it appeared to be insights into mormonism and their rituals which suggests that it (mormonisn} was a take-off from masonry or at least its rituals were akin to those of masons.
Interesting. Perhaps Jack the Ripper was a mormon? If he was, Jose Rizal (not a mormon)should be off the hook.
Maybe a new thread on this possibility?
Curiouser and curiouser, eh?
Posted by wallawalla in Philippines on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 05:24 PM
it's quite possible that it could've been a mormon...i'm not sure about their history and how long they have had this pre-1990 blood oath
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/35899
according to this, it was indeed copied from the masons as joseph smith was a mason(translator)
none the less, it is still possible that the perpetrator was a mormon.
I will look more into the actual murders and see if it has anymore masonic meaning. If it has more masonic meaning that mormonistic.
On a side note though...freemasonry was not as wide spread as it is today. It was much more elite. It is possible that these were the consequences for betraying or illegaly acquiring the secrets of the masons. I was told by a mason that during the 1920s...if you wore a ring and were unable to defend it against questioning, your finger bearing the ring will be cutoff on the spot...not really relevant but it shows the seriousness of their members in the past in the matters of secrecy and honor.
Posted by eon in nyc on Sat Apr 07, 2007 at 03:07 AM
This is really getting boring. I mean, it was amusing at first, but it gets tiring talking to you. Don't blame me for it. So before I refute your arguments again, I'd like to point out something: As far as the actual topic of this board is concerned, I've already said everything I have to say. You haven't proven Jose Rizal did it, and you never will. I've said that yes, under your definition of suspect, Rizal would be one, but your definition is wrong, not mine. I'm sorry, but when the police are looking for a killer, do they investigate everyone living near or associated with the victim? No, it's more specific than that. And since the police are the experts at solving crimes, and not you, I presume they're right.
So, since all you've done is make allegations based on circumstantial evidence, and you haven't actually proven anything, pretty much all I'm doing here is responding to your personal attacks. Since you've been reduced to making off-topic aspersions on how rich I am, I don't actually have to hang around here any longer; you know that. It's already obvious I've won anyway. So maybe I'll humor you a little while longer, maybe not.
First, you think money is important, you materialistic little boy? I don't think so. And for you to say I don't because I don't have it is completely illogical and well within your character. (You're going to defend yourself by saying you just said that to mock me. And what if I say that mocking others is wrong? What then?) Money is a man-made construct, you idiot; it doesn't even have any value beyond what we attach to it. They're just slips of paper! A person's character is more important than how rich he is, but you wouldn't understand that, now would you?
Second, I've had my doubts about whether you're even actually a Filipino from the start, since racists have been known to impersonate Filipinos, but if you are, it's better that you leave here. We don't need people like you here.
Third: You think you're superior to me? Well, you thought wrong. I too, don't think I'm superior to others, but I KNOW that I'm superior to you.
Four: YOU'RE actually lecturing ME about assuming things!? You're the one who assumed I'm poor and don't have home Internet access, you degenerate. Don't you think that's a little hypocritical, even for you?
Five: Yes, that's my policy. You don't like it? Then why did you start name-calling me? You think you can do things and others can't, you conceited little boy?
You know, one of the really amusing things about you is how you think I'm a hypocrite for calling you a name caller while I also do it, while ignoring the greater sin - you STARTED the name-calling. Now why would that be, you think? I'd like to see you slither out of this one, like the snake that you are.
Posted by concerned Filipino in Manila, the Philippines on Thu Apr 12, 2007 at 10:37 PM
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