Status: New Age Mumbo Jumbo
Indigo Children is a new-age term for children whose aura is indigo colored. These are the kids whom medical science would diagnose as being hyperactive or having ADD (and many lay people might diagnose as spoiled brats). But according to the indigo-child theory, these are actually children with very special powers. Nancy Ann Tappe, the psychic who first described the concept, says that Indigo Children are "souls with an evolved consciousness who have come here to help change the vibrations of our lives and create one land, one globe and one species. They are our bridge to the future."
The Skeptic's Dictionary has some good info on the subject.
According to
an article from the Orange-County Register, one of the powers being attributed to Indigo Children is the ability to see the future. Take this example:
When Carolyn Kaufman was getting her daughter, Ariel Carreno, ready to go, Ariel had an unusual request.
"Mom, we need to take an orange," Ariel said.
"Why?" Carolyn asked. Carolyn explained that this was a pizza party, and that an orange would probably be out of place.But when Ariel insisted, Carolyn grabbed an orange and took it to the party... So Ariel carried her orange into Chuck E. Cheese. The party went just as planned. The kids ate pizza. The kids played games. The parents endured the noise. Then, the birthday girl asked for the strangest thing. An orange.
Wow! The kid brought an orange to a party. Try to explain that, skeptics! Carolyn Kaufman also offers an example about her sony Tomy:
After fights with his sister over what to watch on TV, Tomy has broken five VCRs in the family home using only his energy force, Kaufman said. In some families, kids might get grounded for breaking expensive electronics. Not in Kaufman's house.
I'm sensing it would be great to be a kid in the Kaufman house. You could get away with anything.
"It wasn't my fault, Mom. It was my energy force."
Comments
I never did anything right. Never listened. Was a little brat, a rebel, fucking lazy. I was a know-it-all who never listened to what was the truth. I had to keep my mouth shut, wasn't allowed to say anything. Can't do anything like it should be done. The truth is that I'm a very kind hearted, caring young woman, but 21 years of being misunderstood, mistreated even, by every "adult" around me, especially my mother who is the first in line of not understanding me, makes one VERY VERY bitter!!! I'm way past "give a shit", and I don't intend to prove to those who don't believe that Indigo children are not just pranksters. You believe what you want to; you stay in your little protective shell and believe your own lies - you obviously have no idea what goes on in an Indigo's head and you never will, so I will say to you in the lovely words of Roddy Doyle; "go and shite!"
UNLESS you have a 100% certain proof that Indigo children are a hoax, I don't want to hear one fecking word out of you sceptics EVER AGAIN!!!!
We forfeit three-quarters of ourselves in order to be like other people.
"UNLESS you have a 100% certain proof that Indigo children are a hoax, I don't want to hear one fecking word out of you sceptics EVER AGAIN!!!!"
Hi, Aya, my name is Bob, but you can call me REALITY. Here's how the world works: If YOU make an extraordinary claim, the burden of proof is on YOU. I realize that's WAY more work than you want to take on, but that's life.
If you can't or won't prove your claims, then don't expect rational people to simply accept them at face value.
Oh, by the way, you sure went on at length for a person who "doesn't care what others think." Methinks thou doth protest too much. Yeah, I know: You Don't Care What I Think (and you'll write another long post telling me so).
Hey, next time, instead of wearing your poor little fingers down by typing, why don't you just tell me telepathically what you want to say? Oh, I forgot, that would be requiring you to actually PROVE that you have "special powers" (or whatever fantasy it is you expect the rest of us to indulge you in).
By the way, did I mention that I can fly? Yup, just like a bird. Naturally, I would be horribly insulted if you expected me to actually DO it in front of you, so you're just going to have to take my word for it (and if you don't, I'm going to call you names). PROVE THAT I CAN'T FLY! I double dog dare you. Oh, and I don't care what you think, so nyah nyah.
"lol, neither of you said facts... after arguing about it, wow real battle of wits there."
To whom are you referring, DMC?
"If your stupid then you wouldn't realize that everything in life cycles. As does the planet... We are at the end of a 26,000 year cycle and the FACT is you can't stop the fucking planets... "
I COULD be snarky and point out that the word you wanted is "you're," not "your." I'll skip over that, however, and just ask you what the hell you're talking about.
You complain about people "not stating facts" and then you throw out the unsupported (and unsupportable) concept of a "26,000 year cycle," whatever the hell THAT is.
Um, what is the alleged "cycle" and how would human beings, who don't have any written material from 26,000 years ago to look at, KNOW about it?
Also, what does this have to do with "Indigo children?"
"Oh yeah.. why don't you go practice your typing some more buddy I dun care about my comp tiping.. as long as you can make sense of it i could really care less about how you read it haha"
The problem is that your seeming illiteracy makes it more difficult to figure out exactly what you're trying to say. I can see that you don't care about how you're perceived, which is a shame. I'm guessing you're young; I think you'll find out as you go through life that the less capable you are of communicating accurately, the harder a time you will have.
I would also say that a person who can't read and write well is more easily influenced by those who would separate you from your money. Con men tend to be very glib.
Also, tell the person who wrote that for you that they are very well-informed, even though it STILL has nothing to do, so far as I can see, with "Indigo children."
Sorry, but all you're doing is making a fool of yourself.
"How can you be so much superior to the the rest of us when you haven't even mastered proper spelling, punctuation, capitalization, or grammar usage?"
Charybdis, apparantly you don't understand Indigo Language. You unevolved soul, you.
http://lindsayism.com/2006_06_01_archive.php#115081582752657492
Then scroll about halfway down to the posting on the Indigos. Pretty funny, says me.
indigomoms.com
And yes, if you're wondering, the Jenny McCarthy you'll see there is the same one who infested MTV several years ago.
But I don't think that makes me an indigo child.
This little snippet of my life happened when I was like 7 or 8..
Anyway, because I like purple, at this one new age bookstore. (my dad was probably looking for Buddhism stuff) I saw this little amethyst stone and it was pretty so I asked dad If I could have it.
The bookstore also had a cat. (Don't all great bookstores do?)
uhm, anyway, So my dad lets me have the amethyst and i'm giving it to the cashier lady and she says "lemme see yo hands!" (or something like that) ... now being a tomboyish girl and always playing outside, they were kinda dirty so I was shy and reluctant to give them to her. I thought she was gonna try and sell me some special soap or something but...
she just looks at my hands and says "you gots an old soul"
...
OH JEEZE WOMAN, way to build up the suspense! Anyway it was a big relief that she didn't comment on how dirty/dry my hands were, and I could care less how old my soul is. *phew*
Leave thy earthly world and all its trinkets, ignore all signals of warning and gloriously as thou hearest the sound of a million trumpets blaring in glorious union as the choir of resplendent majesty shouteth "Get ye out of thy bloody way!" feel the warmth of truth as thy holy vessel is squelched upon the front of ye bus of arrival. Feel thy body going smush as you embrace the warmth of loving hands caressing you as you bounce off the bus and into oncoming high speed vessels of joy. Hear them screaming in joy and delight "What a bloody mess"
Yea seek truth in the joyous rapture of the eternal light of future as you rise gracefully out of your body (parts) and seek higher realms of ecstasy in the nether regions of places yet unbeknowest to the lower peoples.
Yea I command it for I have seen many a dozy pillock wanting a transcendent experience who ignores a stop sign.
See how the dog communicates with his inner indigo by licking his arse, see the cat transcend life as it lies down, entranced and aware of all levels of joy.
Sweet is the rhapsody of the indigo, long may thy parents see indigo as a shining example of neglect to a child, give thanks that drugs will solve none of ye problems and that only accepting the light and truth of indigo and the supreme levels will make thee happy.
Hooray!
Enjoy.
"If you're so narrow-minded that you can't see the possibility, and all you are capable of seeing is things that are proven, then i feel really sorry for you. the intangible REALITY, because it is real, is much more fun."
Raven, I honestly don't know what you're trying to say there.
Here's the bottom line: if you believe that you have an "aura" of ANY color, the burden of proof is on YOU. It doesn't matter what you BELIEVE; things either exist or they don't. Period.
If, as you say, your "aura" is real, then you should be able to demonstrate that it exists under controlled scientific conditions. If you can do that, there is a million dollars waiting for you to collect.
Until you can do that, all you really have is something you choose to believe in because it makes you feel special. I'm sure that's a lot of fun for you, but it doesn't make it REAL.
Before you go down this road, let me again say that the burden of proof is on YOU to show that auras exist at all, let alone that you or anyone else has an indigo one. We do NOT have to prove that they DON'T exist.
Yes, I know, I know; you "don't care" if we believe you or not. Uh huh.
Here in Indonesia, magic is considered a norm, and part of some people's daily life. An example is Debus, a martial arts combined with magic. Certain masters can make themselves completely invulnerable.
However, some of indonesian muslim community members are frowning upon these practices, because most of these are black magic; enabled by co operating with jinn or the devil. Therefore, these magic can not be used for good purposes; only for show off, neutral, or worse, evil purposes.
A few other photos on Debus :
[ here ] - [ here ] - [ a kid enchanted with invulnerability spell, now can't be pierced by sword ]
How many indigos does it take to magically unscrew a lightbulb?
One to distract with annoying and repetitive arguements about how indigo is the colour of the future and half a dozen others to change the bulb manually because they are too weak to do it on their own.
I dont hate people, just idiotic ideas like "indigo"
How about growing up and stop believing in fairies?
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
They can probably arrange for someone in Indonesia to test any claims you might have.
"It's the normal people like you, the bullies with their sarcasm and irony that caused indigo children to withdraw, to protect themselves so they wouldn't become like you"
I have the ability to predict the future. My prediction is that either the "Indigo" kids are never submitted to proper scientific testing or, if they are, they will fail and the excuse will be that the skeptics with their "negative energy" caused the Indigos to withdraw and fail to demonstrate their amazing abilities.
Eva, you've talked yourself into believing nonsense and are rationalizing why it won't prove to be real.
It's really simple, Evan. Produce an "Indigo" child, submit him or her to actual testing to determine that he or she has an ability that defies the known laws of physics and win a million dollars. Stop making excuses.
Unfortunately, they refused to test claims involving any dangerous devices. I assume this includes knife / sword / etc. This pretty much ruled out all the Debus masters.
The details are here :
http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html
If they would make an exception, they'd better prepare the prize 😊
Thanks again Charybdis.
I know some "indigo" are just disillusioned people.
However, by logic, it's not logical that because of some, that means all are also (fake).
One thing though, magic is not natural. It's not supposed to exist in our dimension.
One who possess the ability usually is a company to jinn and the devil. Very rarely we'll be able to find a person who's a wielder of white magic.
We are no laboratory rats.
Can you stop someone's physical emotional pain just by touching them, or from afar? Can you feel the universe pulsating, see the physical world move, not being static, can you not feel the boundaries of your body? can you know what someone is going to say or is thinking? So you have intuition about people and there intentions or nature? can you call someone mentally if you focus on it? DO you have visions/dreams of experiences that will happen to you or other people?
Do you feel connected/wired? Do you, can you believe what i am saying is TRUE?
From the way you are writing my guess is your answer will be "no i can't" i don't know if you even care". But this is what reality/life is for me, And no i am not lunatic, this is how my days are, at times i am hypersensitive, most of the time i feel ecstasy looking at the world, feeling it, just looking at trees, and i watch empty space, and can see what it's made of. Put me in any field, talk about most concepts and i can understand, I know things that i don't know how i know them. I see, but not with my eyes.
You might think i am just really "out there" and that you can't do these things i am talking about, But YOU could do it to, these are abilities that all human have in different degrees, that can be developped. Some people like me are just born with it more developped. That is the only difference between an indigo and a non-indigo person. If you are someone who is rational, don't you sometime think that some behaviors of our society are just insane. People are alienated, they don't have a core, they don't know who they are. We shield as children in un-supportive environment so we don't become like them, or give in to peer pressure. Just because you are in a certain way doesn't mean somebody else can't have a different experience of life. You DON'T KNOW everything. It's about openness.
So if "scientists" say it's true you will believe it? Even if they something is in such way doesn't mean it's certain. People thought the world was flat once. Who would have imagined man would go to space 100 yrs ago. Or that there will be computers like the one you are using? Do you think the little characters you are reading are real? What about digital data? Or radio waves? Why is it that if you can use a cel phone or a bluetooth to send signal our mind can't do the same.
My last question is have you loved someone? Really loved and felt connected? Have you made love with someone and experiences the exchange of energy in a kiss per example?
I hope that my message will help you reconsider, or question even if it's a little bit and help you show respect for people like me.
Blessing and Enlightnment for all of you.
Eva
The last think i want to say about magic and devils is.
It's only different frequencies of energy you get in tune with and can manage. Magic exist, you can do it to heal, do good or for personal satisfaction.
But is shouldn't be used for personal interests because there is a natural order in the universe. If you let it do it's work and remain open it orchestrates you life and things that would have never happened to you happen. And life takes you to places you would have not imagined, that might have been better for you. Just remain open and trusting and let life do it's work .
Eva, you make outlandish claims, then refuse to prove those claims. Why should anyone believe you possess paranormal powers when it's a known fact that your perceived symptoms can be the result of known neurological disorders?
Basically there are mundane explanations for what you claim, ranging from physical/mental disorders to wishful thinking/self delusion to outright lying. If you want to be taken seriously then you have to be willing to prove your claims. If not then we have the right to conclude you have no paranormal powers. Your refusal to prove yourself is a strong indication that you are aware you are a fraud.
I thought when you have signed a waiver agreement, then all risks will be yours, and not others'. But I might be wrong.
Agree regarding proving your case -- it's easy to think things while it's not. It should be measurable.
Otherwise, you need to stop thinking about it, since it will only distract you from things that matters - your family, friends, your life, yourself.
Thanks.
"We are no laboratory rats."
Gee, even for One Million Dollars, you aren't willing to take some simple tests of your "abilities?" Fascinating.
"So if "scientists" say it's true you will believe it?"
If your "abilities" are tested scientifically and you pass the tests, yes, I will accept that you can do things which are currently believed to be impossible. Before then, though, nope.
"People thought the world was flat once."
That's true. Then we TESTED it and found out it ISN'T flat. See how that works?
"Why is it that if you can use a cel phone or a bluetooth to send signal our mind can't do the same."
Because our minds don't have little circuit boards designed to do what Bluetooth does in them.
Let me extend your "logic" here for a moment. Many times on this board, in debate with people like yourself, I have stated that I can fly under my own power. No wires, no external power source of any kind. I merely leap into the air and soar just like a bird. Planes can do it, right, so why can't I?
Prove that I CAN'T fly. Remember that, using the logic you have employed during this debate about "Indigo" people, you have rejected the notion of backing up an extraordinary claim with evidence. Therefore the burden of proof is on YOU. Prove that I cannot fly under my own power. I SAY I can, therefore I CAN, which is your position concerning your "Indigo" abilities.
Are you beginning to see why we ask you to demonstrate your "abilities" before we accept their existence?
I can use a flamethrower to hurl fire 50 feet away from me, but as yet I've never been able to perform the same trick with certain body parts.
It would be so cool, too. :down:
Can anyone here tell us the frewquency of love? how it functions and the mathematics that describe it? Can anyone show us the measurement of love and the levels that people feel?
Once again, the moral is; If you cannot mneasure itor determine it's effects it is only real to the person who "says" they see it. Just like the six foot tall white rabbit named Harvey.
Indigos are mortal.
You are getting it totally wrong.
The first thing that comes to mind is "How do you know how intensely other people feel emotions?"
Emotions are subjective. There is no real way to compare Person A's depth of feeling with Person B's. Even ignoring comparisons, nothing about feeling is supernatural. We ALL have emotions.
If you're claiming that you can read minds, THAT can be tested objectively. If you can pass a test of that ability, you will win a million dollars. You will also have advanced mankind's knowledge immeasurably. I know you have said you don't want to be a lab rat, but wouldn't THAT be worth a few hours (at most) of your time?
just so you know, auras HAVE been photographed. A lot of people wont accept that as proof, but i think it would be obviouse to anyone that isn't already convinced its impossible, that auras exist. Its kindof like the people who say ESP doesn't exist, despite the fact that repeated and controlled tests show that some people repeatedly score far above what could possibly be expected from mere probobility. Its lacking common sense and an open mind.
I personally think its stupid that so many people find it impossible to fathom an energy field radiating around people. It maked perfect sense, honestly. Do you really think your energy stays confined to the boundry of your skin?
So maybe Cranky media gey should do some resurch to find out who first photographed an aura and give him his million dollars, but if that's not proof enough for you, you can just join the long list of people that the future will consider idiots. You know, there was a time when people refused to believe the earth wasn't the center of the universe, or round for that matter. The first man to suggest the idea of creatures so small we couldn't see them that were the cause of much disease, which he called bacteria, was laughed at.
And, many people can see auras. Just because you can't perceive something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Did you know that Albert Einstein's life work was to try and find a common energy that underlies all matter in the universe? I'd tend to think he's alot more intelligent than most if not all of the skeptics who say auras are impossible.
"Cranky media gey~
just so you know, auras HAVE been photographed. A lot of people wont accept that as proof, but i think it would be obviouse to anyone that isn't already convinced its impossible, that auras exist."
Are you talking about so-called Kirlian photography? Sorry to burst your bubble, but we know how they work and it ISN'T due to "auras."
"Its kindof like the people who say ESP doesn't exist, despite the fact that repeated and controlled tests show that some people repeatedly score far above what could possibly be expected from mere probobility. Its lacking common sense and an open mind."
Please tell me which "repeated and controlled tests" you refer to. Are you SURE they were properly scientifically controlled? I've read about "tests" which alleged to "prove" the existance of ESP, but they were very badly conducted and certainly NOT proper scientific tests.
"I personally think its stupid that so many people find it impossible to fathom an energy field radiating around people. It maked perfect sense, honestly. Do you really think your energy stays confined to the boundry of your skin?"
What kind of energy are you referring to? It isn't an inability to "fathom" an energy field around the human body that's the problem. It's that the existance of such a thing has NEVER been scientifically established.
"So maybe Cranky media gey should do some resurch to find out who first photographed an aura and give him his million dollars, but if that's not proof enough for you, you can just join the long list of people that the future will consider idiots."
OK, just for starters, it isn't MY Million Dollar Challenge. It's offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation (randi.org).
Hey, here's a swell idea: why don't YOU find out who first "photographed an aura." It isn't MY job to chase unicorns. As I mentioned above, there's no doubt that "auras" can be photographed but we know what they are and it isn't anything supernatural. It's called "electrical corona discharge."
"You know, there was a time when people refused to believe the earth wasn't the center of the universe, or round for that matter. The first man to suggest the idea of creatures so small we couldn't see them that were the cause of much disease, which he called bacteria, was laughed at."
Here, you are using the same faulty "logic" many believers in silly things employ: Somewhere, once upon a time, someone proposed the existance of something which the scientists of his day denied. Since this person was subsequently proved to be correct, somehow this "proves" that the silly thing YOU are proposing must also be true.
"And, many people can see auras. Just because you can't perceive something doesn't mean it doesn't exist"
True, nor does it prove that it DOES exist. All of the things you mention above gained general acceptance via PROOF. If and when you have some of that, you, too, will be believed.
Um, what does Einstein's work have to do with the existance or non-existance of auras? You're making an illogical leap there. I know of nothing that Einstein worked on that had anything to do with auras.
Bottom line: You believe in auras. You WANT to believe in auras. You have NO evidence that they exist, but because you have such desire to believe in them, you get mad when anyone points out that there is NO proof of their existance. Sorry but your belief, no matter how sincere or passionate, does NOT constitute evidence of their existance.
First of all, energy and forces are different things. There are four basic forces in the universe, the weak nuclear force, the strong nuclear force, electromagnetism, and gravity. Electromagnetism is what creates Auras, and is a very well known phenomenon. Nothing special or supernatural about it.
The four forces had been discovered by earlier scientists, and none have been discovered since. The weak nuclear force and the electromagnetic force had already been shown to be two variations on the same fundamental force (the electroweak force).
It is widely accepted that the strong nuclear force will also combine under the Grand Unified Theory, but this has yet to be proven.
Einstein, and many, many, many people since, was trying to show that gravity would also combine under certain conditions, thus proving that all four forces are simply different manifestations of the same Prime Force. Unfortunately this has eluded everyone so far.
In other words, Einstein was trying to show the KNOWN forces could be considered the same force, not that there was some as yet unknown force.
However, your incorrect facts and assumptions don't invalidate your main assertion, that paranormal activity exists. You're just using pseudo-scientic language to help explain something that doesn't actually make any sense in the real word. It's a time honored tradition among paranormalists. They seem to think it makes up for their complete lack of any actual evidence.
(and yes David, I'm well aware that gravity can't actually be considered a force until a working quantum gravity theory is accepted)
Echo, echo, echo...
I'm beginning to think we need a text file of commonly used retorts.
If Silly Argument A then Educational Explanation A else Witty Rejoinder