Convert Your Car to Hydrogen
United Nuclear is selling a
Hydrogen Fuel System Kit that will allow you to convert your existing car to run on hydrogen. It's not for sale just yet, but they promise that they're "currently fleet-testing our systems and are in final preparation for sales to the general public." If they ever do manage to perfect this, I'd buy it. I'd love to never have to worry about going to a gas station again. But I have serious doubts that United Nuclear really does have a system like this nearly ready for sale to the public.
I've
written about United Nuclear before, expressing doubts about whether they were really selling all the stuff they claim to sell. For instance, do they really sell super radioactive ore for the home hobbyist? Apparently United Nuclear was founded by
Bob Lazar, who's known to be a bit of a crackpot scientist. He claims to have reverse engineered alien spacecrafts, for instance. This would seem to lower the company's credibility a little. (Wikipedia link via
Gizmodo)
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iT SEEMS A GREAT PORTION OF THE WORLD IS IGNORANT ABOUT THE USAGES OF HYDROGEN. H2O,is a very powerful energy source.It can be broken down into it's two components very easly.The oil companies have many peoples whom would like you(the general public)to remain 'stupid',as they like to say it.The oil co's.want a piece of any type of energy they can get and control.
The process is taught in many grade and high school classes.It is a simple form of electrolesis.A small battery and some salt water is all thats needed.I know this as I have ran my truck(a '96 ford150)on it for the last 6 months.Ther has been no damage caused by using H2+O1.In fact my milage has not only gotten better by 40%,but my spark plugs burn cleaner,My engine is now free of carbon buildup,and when I passed a laser EPA van my report showed 25% less emissions.I am in the process of building units capable of producing enough H2 continously for the average automobile.Tell me if $200 is too much for this advantage.It is a simple hookup to any car,any model.Look for BROKEN WATERS,Thanks, Rich
Posted by Rich Brown in Denver,Co on Fri Nov 25, 2005 at 09:30 PM
i have plans to make something to produce hydrogen on demand but i wish i could find a kit to make it make the thing and connect it to my MPI car. would be fun to try.
Posted by Tom in maryland on Wed Dec 21, 2005 at 05:37 PM
What a crock! Who says hydrogen is costly to manufacture? Baloney! How much does it cost for a few tablespoons of lye, a liter or two of water and 3-4 empty beer or soda cans? (Perform this at your own risk, I will not be responsible for any injury, or damages, informational only) Yes, gasoline engines can very easily run on hydrogen (and do!). A company by the name of Hydro-gen Inc., A company that mainly makes hydrogen and oxygen welding gases from water was on the local news recently driving a car totally powered by water. In a car hydrogen is also cheap to make. I have never yet seen a Kilowatt meter attached to the alternator/generator of a car. The hydrogen part has well been overcome, believe me. A hobbist wanting to convert a car encounters other problems:
1.) Regulation of the hydrogen so that it is manufactured at the same rate of usage, not too much lingering around to be a pressure/explosion hazard, not too little that the engine hesitates on acceleration.
2.) Engine DOES need to have stainless steel valves, not a problem for newer higher end American made vehicles.
3.) Catalytic converter removed from syste (no need anyway as byproduct of hydrogen combustion is water vapor
4.) Mufflers fill up with water and exaust system needs to be made stainless steel
Most of these problems can be avoided simply by just running a gasoline/hydrogen hybrid. It supplements the gasoline with hydrogen, and you can boost your milage by 10-50% depending on your hydrogen generator design.
It is definately out there....You're obviously on the Web this far, just open Google and search "Hydrogen Generator" "Water Engine" and soon you'll be on the right track.
Yes Santa Claus, there really IS a Hydrogen powered car from water! :D
Posted by Laurence Lareau in Houston, Texas USA on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 01:23 AM
I understand your concern about hydrogen's use in a conventional auto.However,I own a 1996 Ford F-150 pulling a trailer that gets approximently 20 miles per gallon of gas using hydrogen as a fuel 'addative'.I built a small generator and put it in my truck,and drove from Minneapolis,Mn. to Denver,Co. The truck has 2-16 gallon tanks.I filled up and drove until my tanks were empty.(and I do mean empty)... I had to use a gas can(Iwas carring) to make it to a gas station.When I filled up,I had driven 401.7(with the extra gallon of gas) miles,or,roughly 12.2 miles per gallon.After filling up,I turned on my'prototype',and zero'd my odometer.When I ran out of gas the next time I had driven 551.3 miles.The unit I built was very simple,I even used large McDonald's soda straws as insulaters between the plates of my electrolizer.Also,a hot melt glue gun was used for assembly.I have since upgraded my design and have about200'customers'waiting for me to start producing units for them(Ilive in a large apartment complex).I have had no negative effects on my vehicle.In fact,I can hardly hear my engine running as it is much quieter now.My spark plugs are still the origional ones(145,000+miles on the truck).My tailpipe which was black and sooty is now grey,like when the truck was new.When my truck is running I can almost hold my hand on my header pipes as the engine is running cooler.Remember,1 gollon of water produces 1300+'gallons of hydrogen/oxygen gas.When the computer analizes the output of the engines performance with the hydro-oxy mix,(common duct electrolizer)the computer reduces the amount of gasoline released by the injectors.The hydro-oxy mix causes the gas to burn more completly and quicker.After .5 milliseconds the hydro-oxy remixes into water(steam).That is a reduction of volume in the cylinder of about 1000/1.Less pressure to push out of the cylinder,means more horsepower to the wheels.Also, cooler running engine means longer life for your engine.My last oil change showed the old iol still had good viscosity.I am very pleased with my unit,as I have bought 2 'like'(well sorta')units off the web.My unit produces about 8-times the 'fuel'as these units using far less current from my battery/alternator,and my mixture is not toxic,like the others are. Thanks for letting me put in my 'nickle's worth..See you on the other side.. Rich..
Posted by rich brown in plymouth,mn. on Thu Feb 02, 2006 at 01:00 PM
We provides high quality cng,lpg kits.
Posted by john kerry in USA on Thu Jul 20, 2006 at 12:07 AM
We provides high quality cng,lpg kits
Posted by john kerry in New York on Sun Jul 30, 2006 at 11:54 PM
thanks for your comment rich. please send me a link to your site. thank you
Posted by Thomas in 21014 on Mon Jul 31, 2006 at 08:33 AM
Captain Al, Granular hydrates DO hold more hydrogen than liquid hydrogen, any entry-level chemistry class should teach you that. Liquid hydrogen is much less dense than a metal hydrate - when it comes to hydrogen content.
Anyway, United Nuclear is completely real, I have ordered many things off of it including chemicals and equipment. I know someone who ordered one of the radioactive kits as well.
As for their hydrogen system, I have great faith that they will optimize it and have it ready for the public. As of when, I do not know, but it is a great idea and deserves respect.
-cyroxos.net
Posted by Cyroxos in Missouri on Thu Jan 25, 2007 at 07:00 PM
Well, i have been looking around on google, and apparently several people have made homemade hydrogen cars, and i guess it is fairly simple, but costs 1-3 grand (you have to convert most of your engine valves to stainless steal to prevent rust) but apparently whenever the people try to get it out to the public they are always turned down. One of them even had someone tell them that by letting this out the economy would crash, big oil companies would not be making money etc. and energy would be basically free, the government cant control when it rains, only thing they could make money on would be by converting salt water to distilled water.
Posted by Jared on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 08:44 AM
Jared, whenever I hear some inventor/advocate claim that they can't get whatever done because of a conspiracy by the government/big business I immediately place them in the crank heap. There may be conspiracies out there but the sheer number of people who would have to be involved in something like you say means that the whistle would get blown by somebody. Think of Watergate, and there was nowhere near as many people involved there as wouold be involved in a conspiracy as you describe. Free eneregy won't happen with hydrogen because the hydrogen must be processed into either liquid or some metalic form so that mass use can happen. You could, on a small scale only, break pure water into hydrogen and oxygen and then recombine the two but the energy costs to purify the water and break the water down would be more expensive thatn burning gasoline. And it would have to be pure water, any impurities would clog any engine. Big oil would still make money on plastics. By eliminating the use of oil for gasoline, the present reserves would last for hundreds of years thus eliminating the expensive search for new oil reserves. Also, some of the more dangerous locations, the Gulf of Mexico, the North Sea, etc, could be capped off and thus cut costs by a large amount. Plus, Big Oil would then have a reason to explore new uses for oil which would potentially improve our quality of life and their profits. Sorry, until I see some hard proof and not just "somebody told somebody" tales, I see no reason to believe in such conspiracies.
Posted by Christopher Cole in Tucson, AZ on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 09:00 AM
i was thinking the same thing also. The site really had no proof whatsoever. If it was created it wouldnt be that hard to find someone willing to publish it. But i do think oil companies are not trying that hard to figure out a new way of energy, which is kind of obvious. Why switch to something new when you have been making money off it for decades.
Posted by Jared on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 09:25 AM
Hi, what I don't really understand about all this, if you could make a car run on water generating the hydrogen while driving, that is impossible isn't it? The energy required to split the water into hydrogen and oxygen is more than the energy returned by the engine after burning the hydrogen to water (due to energy losses). To power a 100kW car with hydrogen for say 1 hour, you will need a 100kW generator that runs for at least 1 hour. This will only be environmental friendly if that 100kWh comes from solar or wind energy. So, where is the cheap part in this process??
Posted by Michel in Australia on Sat Jan 27, 2007 at 03:22 PM
Posted by Laurence Lareau in Houston, Texas on Sun Jan 28, 2007 at 01:39 AM
Ok, since people seem to be missing the point here I'll restate it.
NOBODY THINKS THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
It is very possible, and has been done many times. Nobody is denying that. The point we're trying to make (that everyone ignores) is that it costs more in the long run to produce the hydrogen then it does to produce the gasoline. Until the cost of hydrogen production drops to a comparable level with gasoline it's not cost-effective to switch over. The energy to produce that hydrogen has to come from somewhere, and right now that ultimately is still oil. It takes more oil to produce the hydrogen then it does to produce the gasoline.
Until bigger and more efficient solar, wind, or even nuclear plants are built, or a drastically more efficient method of hydrogen production is devised, it's simply not going to save us any oil to switch our cars over to hydrogen.
Posted by Charybdis in Hell on Mon Jan 29, 2007 at 07:30 AM
While I can't say whether unitednuclear is legitimate or not, I can say that the ability to switch between hydrogen and gasoline at the flip of a switch is apparently very possible. BMW plans to have a hydrogen/gasoline vehicle available to the public in 2008 and they too make the claim of flipping a switch.
http://www.bmwworld.com/models/745h.htm
Several other manufacturers are working on such projects as well. While I will acknowledge there are some differences of opinions about range of travel, the concepts are at least real.
As for whether the use of chemically bonded hydrogen vs liquid hydrogen is feasible, I would point out that stored in a liquid state would require extremely low temperatures (over 200 degrees F below zero) which would pose problems for long term storage of fuel in the vehicle.
Posted by Scott in Oklahoma, USA on Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 10:24 AM
An engine is basically an air pump.
This would make it impossible to mix the hydrogen with pure oxygen. The storage system he is selling is real, although I would think in a normal vehicle it would run a car for about 5 minutes. The fact is, the only real solution is to work harder on the electrolisis generation. It is the only safe method of transporting hydrogen, as water on-board the car. I have had great luck producing hydrogen with electrolosis to run lawnmowers and a motorcycle(250 cc) But nothing like a car yet.
Posted by Rob in Boise, Idaho USA on Mon Apr 09, 2007 at 11:36 PM
I have been following the Hydrogen for cars since 1974, when gasoline prices first started rising from below 30 cents a gallon toward a $1 per gallon. At that time, I read two articles: one in the Scientific American in which a physicist commissioned for the Naural Gas Institute wrote about how Hydrogen could be produced using nuclear power and piped through existing natural gas pipelines. (I still have that article on my coffee table!) The other article was about a Californis man who converted his car to run on Hydrogen for only $125 (1974 money.) He used aluminum hydrite pellets in a standardized metal "cassettes" that he envisioned "service stations" would use to "refuel" vehicles by just exchanging for a refilled one.
I saw that someone was concerned about engines rusting from the inside. First, engines now are generally made of aluminum. And, second, you're forgetting about the fact that pistons a cylinders are lubricated with oil which will prevent rust. Last, the heat in the combustion chamber and exhaust system will be enough to dry those parts enough that they would rust any more than they do today.
And, for the person who mentioned the Hindenburg, you'd better study a bit more science that play virtual reality games. Science has proved that the Hindenburg fire started from a spark igniting a very combustible component in the paint covering the skin of the lighter-than-air ship (the same component used in NASA's solid rocket boosters!)not from the Hydrogen.
If you would bother to Google "hydrogen for cars" you would see that Californis already is using Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles and has a map of all the refueling stations, and expects to have a state-wide "Hydrogen Highway" by 2012. You also find that Honda already has both a Fuel Cell Hydrogen car (the FCX) and A car with a Hydrogen internal combustion engine (ICE). Also, that GM and Dow teamed up in a joint venture to produce Hydrogen cars and distribute hydrogan for those cars world-wide.
It is coming, folks! Hybrid cars in 5 or less years will be obsolete.
Tom (MA Engineering, MBA)
Posted by Tom Burke in Wisconsin on Sat May 26, 2007 at 12:43 PM
Tom, nobody is saying hydrogen powered cars are impossible, they're obviously not. The issue is feasibility. Hydrogen requires more energy to produce than gasoline. Where is that energy coming from? Oil, for the most part.
This means that, as it stands now, gasoline is more efficient than hydrogen. Until this changes it's not going to do the average person any good to convert their cars. Hydrogen fuel cells are an attempt to produce hydrogen more efficiently, but they're very expensive to produce and maintain as well as still not equalling gasoline's efficiency.
Note that I still feel hydrogen research is desirable, even by 'garage researchers', but that doesn't mean that I'm blind to its faults like so many other people seem to be.
Posted by Charybdis in Hell on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:18 AM
Im shocked at you people...You all talk as if big oil has paid you all off for support. As for the person that wrote... "I don't believe a standard car engine can safely burn hydrogen, either. I seem to remember something about a Hindenburg..." Dude..? Are you like really R'Tarded or something? Fueling your car with hydrogen does not mean we will the cabin of it with hydrogen and float it above the ground.. Hydrogen was NOT the fuel source of the I don't believe a standard car engine can safely burn hydrogen, either. I seem to remember something about a Hindenburg...
... Its just what caused it lift. Anyways.. Modern hydrogen systems are more safe to use than a typical gas engine. Why? Because there is not hydrogen stored in any form other than in the gas lines.. Your fuel tank is only a water tank... If your not for us, your against us.. If your not helping to bring hydrogen tech to the mass, your working to keep it from us and dooming us to a lifetime of being slaves to big o
Posted by Ravious in Indiana on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 07:24 PM
Ravious, you are talking like some wild kook who "has solved the problem of" in this case car fuel and starts a rant when someone starts pointing out flaws. Nobody here has been bought off by Big Oil, or if so - Where's My Check? Using hydrogen to power vehicles has problems, one of which is storage. You CANNOT just fill your tank with water, break it apart and then burn the components to provide power, the energy costs to do so are prohibitive. Hydrogen has to be refined out and transfered from the processing plant to a local storage and again to the vehicle. If you transfer it as a gas you have extreme flamibility problems, not only technical but perception as well. As a liquid you have a lot of technical problems and as any other form there are technical problems as well. Your rants do you no favors. You are proof that Indiana is a good place to be from.
Posted by Christopher Cole in Tucson, AZ on Thu Jun 07, 2007 at 08:12 PM
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