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I bet you disbelievers also say God is hoax. Huh? Athiests? That's what I thought. Nothing is real unless that isn't in front of your face well...except the news. That's probably the gospel too to your type. I bet you voted for Bush and believe some middle eastern religious fanatic single-handedly ordered the attack on the twin towers too. That's okay. You believe in that fairy tale and Americas most famous hoax and I'll believe that Dr. Emoto is right about water.

Gina Judd said:

"I bet you disbelievers also say God is hoax. Huh? Athiests? That's what I thought. Nothing is real unless that isn't in front of your face well...except the news."

Gina, you aren't making any sense here. First off, yeah, I guess I'm an atheist...or at least an agnostic leaning toward atheism. So what? How does that in any way invalidate my belief that Emoto is full of crap?

"That's probably the gospel too to your type. I bet you voted for Bush and believe some middle eastern religious fanatic single-handedly ordered the attack on the twin towers too."

If you're betting on me believing that, you've lost your bet. I didn't vote for Bush and as for the attack on the World Trade Center buildings, I'd say the jury is still out about who ordered it. Again, what bearing would what a person believes about the WTC attack have on "intelligent water?"

"That's okay. You believe in that fairy tale and Americas most famous hoax and I'll believe that Dr. Emoto is right about water."

Again, your logic is flawed. How does someone else believing in what you think is false give you license to believe in what THEY think is false? Two wrongs don't make a right, after all.

Emoto's "theory" requires proof just as you would require of anyone who says that a handful of people planned and carried out the attack on the WTC. Pointing out what you think are the false beliefs of others on unrelated matters is NOT relevant to the concept of "intelligent water."

If you have any FACTS that prove Emoto's theories, we'd all be happy to hear about them.

yep, quite some are blinded by the belief that the universe is purely material ;-p

I quite agree. It's the shocking Fascism of the Fact - such a terrible thing to be thus chained to belief in what is real when the fantastical is so much easier and more fun!

I love this thread!

Just found the following abstract from
http://deanradin.blogspot.com/2006/10/effects-of-distant-intention-on-water.html

I was sceptical too but this is interesting. I would have been happier if the good Doctor had not been involved.Anyone got any other evidence of attempt to replication?


Wednesday, October 11, 2006

Effects of distant intention on water crystals
Some people, when faced with claims like Dr. Emoto's "intention affects the formation of water cystals," immediately dismiss it as nonsense. Others uncritically accept the claim because it sounds nice. My first reaction is to try to replicate the claim to see it for myself. I conducted such a test with Dr. Emoto, where he and his staff were kept blind as to which bottles of water had been treated. The paper reporting the experiment has just come out. Here's the abstract:

DOUBLE-BLIND TEST OF THE EFFECTS OF DISTANT INTENTION ON WATER CRYSTAL FORMATION

The hypothesis that water “treated” with intention can affect ice crystals formed from that water was pilot tested under double-blind conditions. A group of approximately 2,000 people in Tokyo focused positive intentions towards water samples located inside an electromagnetically shielded room in California. That group was unaware of similar water samples set aside in a different location as controls. Ice crystals formed from both sets of water samples were blindly identified and photographed by an analyst, and the resulting images were blindly assessed for aesthetic appeal by 100 independent judges. Results indicated that crystals from the treated water were given higher scores for aesthetic appeal than those from the control water (p = 0.001, one-tailed), lending support to the hypothesis.

Citation: Radin, D. I., Hayssen, G., Emoto, M., & Kizu, T. (2006). Explore, September/October 2006, Vol. 2, No. 5.

A triple-blind replication of this effect is presently underway.
posted by Dean Radin at 8:39 PM

What do ya'll think

best wishes

Michael

Ok gang,

I am trying to find some real thoughtful, scientific rebuttal to the theories put forward in "Messages from water". But however all I find here are childish, naff attempts at jokes on the subject. So besides the close minded people who have insulted the pursuit of new understanding about Quantum mechanics can someone please give me some intelligent evidence based rebuttal because I actually want to learn about the subject.

Remember guys the first people who thought the world was round were ridiculed and persecuted. So its ok to disagree just try to do it with some intelligence and class.

Sam, it's up to Emoto to prove what he says is true. Just because a human is mostly water doesn't mean there are hidden quantum messages in water. Just because the earth's surface (not the earth's composition, as stated above) is mostly water doesn't mean anything either.

The fact is, there have been no successful studies showing the affects of 'positive' or 'negative' water, or of anyone who could tell the difference between the two.

Frankly, have you read his explanations? They don't make sense. He speaks of people's collective consciousness, yet we know of no such thing. He speaks of thinking positive thoughts to heal the planet and ourselves, yet doesn't explain how making water 'positive' would accomplish this. For that matter, what wounds would we be healing? Pollution? Deforestation? If every human on the planet suddenly dropped dead the planet would quickly take care of itself, without anybody around thinking good thoughts at the water. Water routinely became polluted and clean again for a billion years before people came along, why are we so special?

I'm well aware of how necessary it is to be open minded, but you have to filter things out based on evidence, sound reasoning, and our knowledge of how the universe operates. Nothing in physics can explain Emoto's claims, not even the much repeated (and abused) quantum mechanics. Until Emoto comes up with an internally consistant and rational explanation for the perceived affect we have to assume he's making it up.

Finally, I don't recall anyone ridiculing people who claimed the world was round. Science has known for over two millenia that the earth was a sphere, so I'm wondering where you got that idea from. Did you mean Galileo? Because nobody laughed at him either, they just tried to suppress him. And for every person science did laugh at who turned out to be right (there were a few), I can easily provide 10 examples where the person was wrong. So if anything your analogy shows that Emoto shouldn't be believed. At least not until he proves his case.

I am wondering why he thinks the pretty crystals indicate the water is somehow better. Sure, I like pretty things. I think a birthday cake is 'prettier' than a garden salad, does that mean the cake is better for me?

The reason I disbelieve in the Emoto's claims is because they're based on what seem to me to be aesthetic valuations, rather than on any moral or scientific claim.

The visual association builds on generally human valuations about beautiful and ugly, ordered and disordered, etc. Recognize these valuations, and Emoto's claims explain more about human interaction with the world, than they do about the fundamental nature of the universe.

Moreover, the so-called polluted water is physically and, it seems here, conceptually unappealing to humans. What are considered pollutants to human tissue and bodily function may benefit human life through chemical applications. There are host of ways to reinterpret 'polluted' that seem to favour human life, so polluted water is in itself needs much clarification, rather than the aesthetic association that Emoto imposes.

honestly I think it's possible.
and perhaps he's a science teacher, but he's a spiritual person. those things sort of go hand in hand if you think about it.
what more is science than a series of explanations to help us better understand the mystical world around us that we couldn't before?

i believe its possible for thoughts to affect water. and maybe not a piece of paper tied to the bottle but just the instance of thought it took to tape it there... you have to read it right?

and personally. I would try it myself. if i knew how. I actually ran across this website looking to ask him to conduct more studies.

and to you: Cranky Media Guy...
every organism on this earth has feeling, consciouness and thought process. we must all be able to commnicate with eachother and feel vibrations around us. We all have an electrical current running through our bodies that can tell the currents in others around us, and act accordingly to the magnetic pushes and pulls of the earth. these same energetic pathways have been used for at least 2000 years in acupuncture.
organisms need these abilities to survive and adapt. whose to say that water is not the same way?

and as for Charybdis...

I don't know why or want to know why you don't understand his explanations. if the water is healthy, our minds are healthy. sure... maybe the water is just prettier, but it's not the same difference between cake and salad. it's the difference between a lie and truth. they are of the same category but affect us in completely different ways.
if we find out this is true, what kind of possibilities can be uncovered. if this is true, who is going to demand that we recieve only the best water.. better yet. we can all make sure we have the best water. not with just positive thoughts. but with spiritual intentions. I mean it's water for christs sake. learning this is true should turn anyone to spirituality of some kind. that's like... the ultimate connection and communication with nature.

and with her speaking back.

and whoever it was that is skeptical about whether or not the water is truly healthier for you because the crystals are pretty or ugly.. it's not a matter of pretty because nothing but humans understand what pretty is. but we all (everything universally) understand perfect balance. we see that something is shining brighter than before and is perfectly balanced we note that it must have reason. but for it to be warped or malshaped... there must be something un natural about it. a divorce from nature, so to speak.

because nature is of course.. balanced.


you guys should watch these movies.

Esoteric Agenda
and Kymatica.

Ginger said:

"and to you: Cranky Media Guy...
every organism on this earth has feeling, consciouness and thought process."

Really? EVERY ORGANISM? That would include rocks, for example. You believe that rocks have a thought process?

"We all have an electrical current running through our bodies that can tell the currents in others around us, and act accordingly to the magnetic pushes and pulls of the earth."

Oh, really? Can you provide any proof of that? Just because something is fun or conforting to believe in, that does NOT mean that it is true.

"these same energetic pathways have been used for at least 2000 years in acupuncture."

Are you aware that when acupuncture needles have been put in the "wrong" places in actual scientific testing, the results were exactly the same as when they are put in the "right" places? That would tend to demonstrate that any benefit from acupuncture comes from the placebo effect.

"organisms need these abilities to survive and adapt. whose to say that water is not the same way?"

Well, who is to say that monkeys don't fly when no one is looking and when there are no cameras around? Saying "Who is to say [fill in the blank]" is not at all the same as PROVING that that particular thing actually happens. That's why SCIENCE tests things while PSEUDO-SCIENCE just makes a claim and expects people to believe in it.

I'm sure you sincerely believe the things you say, but your sincere belief is not a substitute for PROOF. For centuries, people sincerely believed the Earth was flat. It wasn't. They were just wrong.

wtf!! you guys sound like a bunch of closed minded
and extremely sad individuals that aren't willing to accept the true power of love and appreciation..its obvious that you have vary sad lives..