So is it a hoax because the numbers are faked, or because racists are not known for mocking the military?

Some conservatives like to claim that people who are opposed to the war are motivated by a hatred for the troops. I think that's the general idea this guy is trying to advance. He's pretending to be a troop-hating anti-war activist, but he's really a militant conservative. That's why it's a hoax.

But what if he is an anti-war troop hater masquerading as a militant conservative masquerading as an anti-war troop hater? Like a Double-Double Agent. Diaperbolical

Sake for the troops? Sushi too?

I see lots of ribbons that say "Support Our Troops", I wondered when there would be something like this to make fun. Silly.

I just tried the link to the site and got the "site cannot be found" page, which I should have expected.

"I see lots of ribbons that say "Support Our Troops" ...
I do, too, and it always makes me ask, "What the heck is that supposed to mean?"
Mostly, it seems to be an easier slogan to market than "Support our unelected president's ham-fisted, criminal foreign policy."
To me, the people who really support our troops are the ones agitating to end the wars and bring the troops home before they get blown up and/or have to kill other people for the sake of Halliburton's profiteering.

Big Gary, the phrase "support our troops" stems from the Viet Nam War. Not that the phrase started there, but that during that war it was common for people to show their opposition to the war by attacking the military troops. Been there, lived through them. The people showing this sign are trying to be nice to the military people while opposing the war. And the "unelected President" bit is sour grapes. I don't like G. W. Bush but I realize that he was indeed elected both times. Every count of the Florida ballots showed that Bush fairly won the state, and would have won by a larger margin if the voting in the Panhandle - a heavily Republican area - hadn't been tampered with.

I lived through the Vietnam era too, and I am firmly convinced that the popular "everybody mistreated Vietnam soldiers/veterans" canard is a not-so-innocent, and unfounded, urban legend.
My family was active in the antiwar movement in those years, and so attended many rallies and demonstrations, at several of which I was present (when they weren't on school days or past my bedtime). During the same period, I had an uncle who was in the Air Force and did a tour in Vietnam, and another who was drafted into the Army and also served in Southeast Asia. So I saw both sides of the coin, so to speak, and while the war was actually going on, I never saw or heard of soldiers or returning veterans being mistreated or disrespected-- least of all by antiwar protesters (in fact, soldiers in uniform often participated in the protests). There may well have been a few such incidents, but it was not the general climate of the times. The people opposing the war usually made it clear that their grievance was with the big decision-makers, not the rank-and-file soldiers. At the same time, there were many heroic acts of resistance by those who refused military conscription, but even they usually did not criticize fellow draftees.

The massive vote fraud in both 2000 and 2004, and the judicial coup d'etat in 2000, are issues I guess we'll (or at least I'll) put off debating until another day.

While we're on the subject:

http://theonion.com/opinion/index.php?issue=4108&o=2

Oops, I don't think that last link works. I was trying to get to the column entitled, "I Support the Occupation of Iraq, But I Don't Support Our Troops."

Alas, suckers...Forsake The Troops is online!

http://www.forsakethetroops.info

Uh-huh.

He is simply a coward...that is all.

If you go to his personal home page you will find a link to his web log. In it he announces that he is gay, as follows. Amazing how he slandered homosexuals on his "Shoot Back" section.

>Submitted by mike on April 23, 2005 - 08:22.
>There's no other way to say something like >this, other than to just say it.

>I'm gay.

>It's something that I've struggled >with ,and .even hid from myself for years.

>But now is the time for me to be honest with >myself, and others.

>I can hear the jokes now....people always knew >because I love club music, and things like >that, but the honest truth is, this is who I am.

>This obviously will mean the end of my >marriage, as it's not fair to her or myself to >continue a marriage just for the kid. Despite >that, my daughter will know her father, and I >will be in her life.

>I'm happier now that I've "come out" and I >guess I'll find out who my true friends are now.

These are his words direct from his web log.

Big Gary C,

I am a Vietnam veteran, and I can assure you that there was more than disrespect and dishonor shown to the troops who fought in Vietnam.

I excited Vietnam to the States twice. And twice at the point of entry in California demonstrators were there who spit on us, called us baby killers, threw objects at us and other such acts.

Further, you cannot imagine the feelings generated by coming home and not being welcomed back into society, by being outcast, by being labeled as a drug addicted, homicidal, criminal sociopath among other names. Many coined by John Kerry in his infamous speech. It plagues many even now, well over 30 years later.

Even veterans organisations refused us as members until they realized that their WW1, WW11, and Korea veterans were dying off and that dues were becoming depleted. But, their turn about didn't pull them out of the hole. They didn't want us then, we don't want them now is a common attitude.

The VA even gave us hassles and it is only in recent years that some of our service connected disabilities have been addressed. Agent Orange? In 1975 they put a 30 year study into effect to see if Agent Orange really caused cancers and other maladies. Needless to say that gave them a huge asset in not paying for treatment and benefits for those who fell ill with sicknesses that are now proven to be caused by Agent Orange.

For every "peacefull" demonstrator you can find who says they honored and respected the troops I can find you a Vietnam veteran who will place his hand on the Bible and under oath tell of having been spat upon, among other things. It was not overblown, it happened, it was real.

I'm not crying over spilled milk, Gary, just letting you know some of the things that Vietnam veterans faced, and are still facing even today.

Most vets I know would do it again.

Why?

Because our honor was in answering the call.

Michael Crook..aka..Michael Vogel...aka..Silent Mike..and SMIS..which is silent mike internet services WASHED OUT OF THE ARMY DURING BASIC! He tried and not only didn't make the cut but them went and cried like a baby about how bad it was..lmao here's the proof http://web.archive.org/web/20020809082035/www.silentmike.net/writing/army.html

Daisy, I went to the link you posted, and just so everyone knows, this guy comes off as a total fraud!

Last time I was at Fort Benning, GA, where I lived between 2003-2004, it was the Home of the Infantry. Which translates as: combat arms, i.e. no females. There are no women in the training units there, not as instructors, not in any duty position. His article says that he was reassigned to the company orderly room where his commander, a female, gave him his discharge papers. By merely saying that, he instantly discredits himself, when he was alrady on "suspicious" status in my book for his little MEPS story, which, while probable, is highly unlikely.

There were too many discrepancies in that story and the other one that is linked to it. In short, he is a sympathy-seeking champion bullsh*tter, and a one man band proclaiming, "Look at me!! Look at me!!" who can't spell worth 2 licks.

I agree with Aimee, MEPS doesn't do what he said about 'passing you by', there's no way. There were over 50 some odd people when I went there and even on the last day they didn't pass anyone by, they checked for everything and even stayed late due to the fact that there was so many at the time I was there. So I agree with with her on that point. I think his views are a 'look at me and what I can say' attention getter who is hiding behind the internet for safe keeping, if he's one that doesn't want the attention why does he do this? to get the feathers of peoples attention ruffed, to see how far he can go before someone shuts him down. He preaches freedom of speach but yet he doesn't remember who got him that freedom so he bashes people when and where he can. Let him have his 15 minutes of Shame, screw him, don't give him what he wants by going to his website and adding hits to it so he can be a child. And that's my freedon of speech.

I don't think this is a hoax. This guy ruined his career with this, will probably have to move, and has basically turned his life upside down. I think he likes the attention, and I think he may actually be mentally ill.