Angel Light Sees Through Walls
Troy Hurtubise claims that he's invented a machine, dubbed the Angel Light, that can see through walls. It doesn't really matter what the wall is made of: wood, ceramic, steel, tin, titanium, even lead. The Angel Light can see right through it, just as if a window had opened up in the wall. Of course, he built this thing in his garage (where else?). The idea for the invention came to him in a dream, and he built it without the aid of any blueprints, drawings or schematics. Although Troy may hope to one day be known throughout the world as the inventor of the Angel Light, he's already well known as the inventor of the URSUS MARK VII, a suit that can help a man withstand the attack of a Grizzly Bear (see that suit in the right corner of the thumbnail? That's the Grizzly suit). So from Grizzly Bear suits to Machines That Can See Through Walls. No one can accuse him of not having an interesting resume.
Listed in chronological order. Newest comments at the end.
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Maria Griffin said:
"History is full of inventions of all kinds (arts and science) where the source of the knowledge is sudden and complete and mysterious. He would not be the first inventor laughed at. He is in very good company."
Maria, the fact that other people whose inventions or discoveries were later vindicated in no way "proves" that Troy's "invention" is legitimate.
To paraphrase something that Carl Sagan once said, they laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Copernicus. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Either Angel Light works or it doesn't. If it turns out that it DOES work, then the people (like me) who have laughed at Troy owe him an apology. It hasn't been demonstrated that it DOES work, however, so that just isn't relevant.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Fri Apr 06, 2007 at 03:51 PM
"History is full of inventions of all kinds (arts and science) where the source of the knowledge is sudden and complete and mysterious. He would not be the first inventor laughed at. He is in very good company."
Maria, the fact that other people whose inventions or discoveries were later vindicated in no way "proves" that Troy's "invention" is legitimate.
To paraphrase something that Carl Sagan once said, they laughed at Galileo, they laughed at Copernicus. They also laughed at Bozo the Clown.
Either Angel Light works or it doesn't. If it turns out that it DOES work, then the people (like me) who have laughed at Troy owe him an apology. It hasn't been demonstrated that it DOES work, however, so that just isn't relevant.
I just think its funny that the fools who've spent the better part of a decade studying theory and spending their parents money on second rate engineering degrees have the nerve to laugh at this guy. How stupid would they look if the garage inventor with no training and funding managed to have the one thing that qualifications can't get you; An Original Idea. Well I suppose there's plenty of time to think about it while you are designing yet another paper-weight for the betterment of humanity.
Posted by Tom on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 12:35 PM
Tom said:
"How stupid would they look if the garage inventor with no training and funding managed to have the one thing that qualifications can't get you; An Original Idea."
How stupid would those biologists and zoologists with their dumb scientific training look if it turned out that pigs CAN fly, huh?
It's that "if" stuff that gets you every time, isn't it?
No one questions that Troy has an IDEA. What he doesn't have is PROOF.
As I said in my last posting, IF Troy's device works, we all owe him an apology. Unfortunately, that hasn't been shown yet. If's don't mean squat.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Wed Oct 03, 2007 at 01:24 PM
"How stupid would they look if the garage inventor with no training and funding managed to have the one thing that qualifications can't get you; An Original Idea."
How stupid would those biologists and zoologists with their dumb scientific training look if it turned out that pigs CAN fly, huh?
It's that "if" stuff that gets you every time, isn't it?
No one questions that Troy has an IDEA. What he doesn't have is PROOF.
As I said in my last posting, IF Troy's device works, we all owe him an apology. Unfortunately, that hasn't been shown yet. If's don't mean squat.
All the information on the internerd is derived from the same article, and it wreaks of hoax.
Troy doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not suggesting he intentionally misleads people either.
If you have a good look at the pictures & read the equipment included, it seems to be all off-the-shelf stuff.
A black light (UV), red light, white light & fluoro (blue?).
Seven lasers, which suggest to me, combined to make white laser.
A microwave & carbon dioxide mixed with plasma.
(A microwave can make plasma but unless they mean red hemoglobin I don't think you can just bottle plasma).
Some glass that sits mostly outside the unit & appears rather superfluous.
Some more carbon dioxide & more plasma rods.
The plasma rods can be bought (almost) from party shops.
Look at the photos, see how these things are incorporated & it's hard to see how you could get anything useful out of it. And given that it's unshielded it's probably potentially quite dangerous to be around.
As if you would put your hand in front of it! I imagine Troy looking down the barrel to see if his gun is loaded!
Far from an "angel light" it sounds more like the "laser from hell".
Posted by Oracle in Sydney, Oz on Mon Oct 29, 2007 at 11:07 AM
Troy doesn't seem to be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not suggesting he intentionally misleads people either.
If you have a good look at the pictures & read the equipment included, it seems to be all off-the-shelf stuff.
A black light (UV), red light, white light & fluoro (blue?).
Seven lasers, which suggest to me, combined to make white laser.
A microwave & carbon dioxide mixed with plasma.
(A microwave can make plasma but unless they mean red hemoglobin I don't think you can just bottle plasma).
Some glass that sits mostly outside the unit & appears rather superfluous.
Some more carbon dioxide & more plasma rods.
The plasma rods can be bought (almost) from party shops.
Look at the photos, see how these things are incorporated & it's hard to see how you could get anything useful out of it. And given that it's unshielded it's probably potentially quite dangerous to be around.
As if you would put your hand in front of it! I imagine Troy looking down the barrel to see if his gun is loaded!
Far from an "angel light" it sounds more like the "laser from hell".
Pranksters!
You will enjoy this one...
I am the one who sold shares of the Pope's soul on E-Bay! This, as I am told made national news although I have not confirmed this. It is likely that some from FOX will recall my remote viewing work as perhaps the aforementioned sales. As a remote viewer, my work scared the nuts off of their jesus working on camera for a producer from Los Angeles, CA (see ISO).
I need not tell you that to make the national news represents the Holy Grail for which all pranksters both fear and lustfully seek. So far I have achieved success being "healed" of priapism* by no less than three television (live) evangelists, inspired the hanging/ mangled santa displays across the nation, and other forms of mindless hilarity.
Perhaps my greatest moment had been realized when at last several knee-bent christians were seen on national television praying as directed to heal my body of priapism!
Hint: To pass most television evangelist phone screeners, use the money card. Offer to return to jesus every dime you have for personal "redemption" and "sacrifice", etc. This will work most of the time and if not, keep trying. Remember that patience, perseverance, and persistence alone will account for the greatest chance of success.
Stay legal, hurt no one, be fearless, and have fun!
The Holy Prankster's Creed:
In life, it is better to regret the things that you have done rather than to regret the things you have not.
There is always another mountain!
Appreciative,
Aaron C. Donahue
*Priapism is a medical condition that refers to the sustained erection of a penis.
Posted by Aaron C. Donahue in USA on Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:04 PM
You will enjoy this one...
I am the one who sold shares of the Pope's soul on E-Bay! This, as I am told made national news although I have not confirmed this. It is likely that some from FOX will recall my remote viewing work as perhaps the aforementioned sales. As a remote viewer, my work scared the nuts off of their jesus working on camera for a producer from Los Angeles, CA (see ISO).
I need not tell you that to make the national news represents the Holy Grail for which all pranksters both fear and lustfully seek. So far I have achieved success being "healed" of priapism* by no less than three television (live) evangelists, inspired the hanging/ mangled santa displays across the nation, and other forms of mindless hilarity.
Perhaps my greatest moment had been realized when at last several knee-bent christians were seen on national television praying as directed to heal my body of priapism!
Hint: To pass most television evangelist phone screeners, use the money card. Offer to return to jesus every dime you have for personal "redemption" and "sacrifice", etc. This will work most of the time and if not, keep trying. Remember that patience, perseverance, and persistence alone will account for the greatest chance of success.
Stay legal, hurt no one, be fearless, and have fun!
The Holy Prankster's Creed:
In life, it is better to regret the things that you have done rather than to regret the things you have not.
There is always another mountain!
Appreciative,
Aaron C. Donahue
*Priapism is a medical condition that refers to the sustained erection of a penis.
Oh come on, the guy is pursuing something that he thinks-as well as I- will work. If this does work then do you know how this will change physics and history? Not to mention this could help the goverment finish their light-bending machines. This guy, no offense, is trying to rewrite history and no matter how he suffers from a loss of money, it's worth it to him because that bear suit has helped the study of bears for years, and if his project trojan would have lifted more than a foot from the ground, he would have been the most famous man ever.
Posted by Taylor Carpenter on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 11:11 PM
Taylor Carpenter said:
"If this does work then do you know how this will change physics and history?”
“...and if his project trojan would have lifted more than a foot from the ground, he would have been the most famous man ever.”
Taylor, the key word in both those sentences is "if."
Yes, IF Troy had gotten those things to work, he WOULD HAVE BEEN very famous and rich, deservedly so. He didn't, though, so it's all conjecture.
Remember also that with Angel Light, Troy claimed that it WORKED, not that he was working on it. He said it could see through walls. OK, let's see a demonstration of that, Mr. Hurtubise.
The fact that he created a bear-proof suit is a LONG way from inventing something that can see through solid walls. I'm sure creating a bear-proof suit is a formidable challenge but there's no comparison between that and what he claims Angel Light can do.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Tue Jan 22, 2008 at 12:10 AM
"If this does work then do you know how this will change physics and history?”
“...and if his project trojan would have lifted more than a foot from the ground, he would have been the most famous man ever.”
Taylor, the key word in both those sentences is "if."
Yes, IF Troy had gotten those things to work, he WOULD HAVE BEEN very famous and rich, deservedly so. He didn't, though, so it's all conjecture.
Remember also that with Angel Light, Troy claimed that it WORKED, not that he was working on it. He said it could see through walls. OK, let's see a demonstration of that, Mr. Hurtubise.
The fact that he created a bear-proof suit is a LONG way from inventing something that can see through solid walls. I'm sure creating a bear-proof suit is a formidable challenge but there's no comparison between that and what he claims Angel Light can do.
I actually knew Troy for a few years.
He was going to Fleming College in Lindsay ON, taking a natural resourses course and living at the same place as a friend of mine.
Me and my buddy and Troy, and several other interesting folks, would routinely go to the Grand Hotel for some refreshing beverages and talk about the bear suit. It was actually my friend and I, both being design/engineering types, that helped him overcome problems with BearSuit#1, and another friend of ours, Dean, who was his camera guy in the tree at the first tests.
So let me say this: Troy is as nutty as chrismas cake. We'd get a few beers into us and he'd go outside, naked, at -20F, and claim to be not only impervious to cold but because he firmly believed that he was a Native Indian Ninja (oh ya!) and he could become invisible. He'd spend our walks home skulking through the neighbours shrubbery "being invisible", (no really, he actually claimed to be able to be invisible) with a 9" bowie knife clenched in his teeth. A touch of psycho there indeed.
There's much more but I'll save him the embarasment. He's fully capbable of embarasing himself - were it not that he's impervious only to criticism. Purely crazy.
My bet: the divice in question has some kind of "priming" unit such as a wireless camera involved.
Posted by animatix_musica in canada on Wed Jan 30, 2008 at 07:47 AM
He was going to Fleming College in Lindsay ON, taking a natural resourses course and living at the same place as a friend of mine.
Me and my buddy and Troy, and several other interesting folks, would routinely go to the Grand Hotel for some refreshing beverages and talk about the bear suit. It was actually my friend and I, both being design/engineering types, that helped him overcome problems with BearSuit#1, and another friend of ours, Dean, who was his camera guy in the tree at the first tests.
So let me say this: Troy is as nutty as chrismas cake. We'd get a few beers into us and he'd go outside, naked, at -20F, and claim to be not only impervious to cold but because he firmly believed that he was a Native Indian Ninja (oh ya!) and he could become invisible. He'd spend our walks home skulking through the neighbours shrubbery "being invisible", (no really, he actually claimed to be able to be invisible) with a 9" bowie knife clenched in his teeth. A touch of psycho there indeed.
There's much more but I'll save him the embarasment. He's fully capbable of embarasing himself - were it not that he's impervious only to criticism. Purely crazy.
My bet: the divice in question has some kind of "priming" unit such as a wireless camera involved.
The amount of knowledge that has been hypothesized, tested, refined, and compiled in the pure physics world is enormous and the gross bulk engineering world's performance at adapting what they think they know to it is pathetic. Electrical and electronic engineering materials used today in 2008 read like slight modifications of texts from fifty years ago. Whenever someone has an epiphany and puts basic physics to use in engineering in a novel way, everyone reacts either that he's a loon or a genius up there with Einstein. What do you want from a world that thinks that recycling bacon grease into jet fuel is a sustainable answer? (Hello, American Heart Association, please sod off. We need people to eat fattening foods so they can drive an industry to cart their ever increasing rear ends across the sky...)
From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells. It would explain why his light doesn't keep on going through the car past the wall, and why there would be health effects. Every atom and molecule absorbs energy most efficiently at a given set of frequencies. This is why laser beams are at a frequency based on the material used (chromium in ruby, CO2, etc.). He tunes it one way and it interferes with some organic chemistry at the cellular level unhealthily, another way it affects a different material better. He could see part way through his hand he said.
There's LOTS of weird ramifications to quantum mechanics and electrodynamics beyond whether black holes evaporate, and probably both more useful and dangerous and immediately applicable to human civilization than nuclear weapons.
Posted by Like You Care in Hell, USA on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 05:13 PM
From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells. It would explain why his light doesn't keep on going through the car past the wall, and why there would be health effects. Every atom and molecule absorbs energy most efficiently at a given set of frequencies. This is why laser beams are at a frequency based on the material used (chromium in ruby, CO2, etc.). He tunes it one way and it interferes with some organic chemistry at the cellular level unhealthily, another way it affects a different material better. He could see part way through his hand he said.
There's LOTS of weird ramifications to quantum mechanics and electrodynamics beyond whether black holes evaporate, and probably both more useful and dangerous and immediately applicable to human civilization than nuclear weapons.
Like You Care said:
"From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells."
The key word in that sentence is "guess." That's exactly what you're doing.
If Troy truly has invented a machine which can see through walls, all he has to do is DEMONSTRATE it. If he can do that, all the doubters (myself included) will have to concede that he's one of the great inventors of history. Until he does that simple thing, there is every reason to question his extravagant claims.
The fact that other people in the past have done things which were previously believed to be impossible in no way proves that Troy has done the same. Evidence. Let's see some evidence.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 12:03 AM
"From the description of the device he's thrown together I can only guess, but if I had to, he's probably accidentally hit on a quirky way to efficiently affect/modify the behavior of electron shells."
The key word in that sentence is "guess." That's exactly what you're doing.
If Troy truly has invented a machine which can see through walls, all he has to do is DEMONSTRATE it. If he can do that, all the doubters (myself included) will have to concede that he's one of the great inventors of history. Until he does that simple thing, there is every reason to question his extravagant claims.
The fact that other people in the past have done things which were previously believed to be impossible in no way proves that Troy has done the same. Evidence. Let's see some evidence.
WOW, I just found out about Angel Light and stumble on this whole shout box about it.
If he wants to be known by people, there he has succeeded.
I was thinking it was a bit far fetched of a plan and why haven't I seen it on the news yet?
Oh well, if hes onto somthing good luck to him.
Hope it works out for you Troy
Posted by I3lueVein in UK on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 04:29 PM
If he wants to be known by people, there he has succeeded.
I was thinking it was a bit far fetched of a plan and why haven't I seen it on the news yet?
Oh well, if hes onto somthing good luck to him.
Hope it works out for you Troy
Wow, I find it difficult to imagine people can actually believe this guy. Basic physics people...
Posted by Ulrich in Johannesburg on Sat May 03, 2008 at 12:49 PM
i can imagine coming back to this talkback in a few years and find cranky media guy still going on about what a hoax it is and snarkely bashing anyone who suggests slightly otherwise. i think that by now everyone knows what your long winded stance is on this. so here's your pat on the back buddy, you certainly told everyone so oh deity of all that is logical and last sane person on earth that you are. everyone gets their jollies somehow, whether it's making up seemingly impossible claims, believing in such impossible claims, or combating everyone who believes those claims endlessly until the end of time in a small pocket of the internet i may never remember to find my way back to. i hope that when you find this comment addressed to you you'll get that little thrill that only opposition to your logic in this talkback can give you
Posted by vlad on Sat Nov 22, 2008 at 11:44 PM
Gee, Vlad, as for me allegedly constantly commenting here, uh, let's check the facts. My previous comment is dated Feb. 6th, 2008. Today is Nov. 23. Yup, I'm ALWAYS here, putting my two cents in, all right!
Now, do you have anything on the topic of Angel Light to contribute?
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 01:38 AM
Now, do you have anything on the topic of Angel Light to contribute?
Well golly garsh darn gee, Crank, as for you allegedly constantly commenting here, uh, let's check the facts. Uh, your first comment is dated uh, Sun Jan 23, 2005 at 04:25 AM. Uh, your previous comment is dated Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 01:38 AM, uh, not even 2 hours after I took you to task for being obsessed with snarky conflict on this talkback. Yup, you really are ALWAYS here, putting your two cents in, all right, uh!
Posted by vlad on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 08:34 AM
Wow, vlad...the manner in which you are accusing CMG of being snarky sure is...snarky.
As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular. As am I.
I can offer additional context: this site is called "The Museum of Hoaxes." The whole point of this site is that skepticism is an invaluable tool when it comes to evaluating unproven claims, particularly in the case of unproven extraordinary claims.
If you want to engage in unstructured speculation, without the inconvenience of having to back your speculations with evidence, proof, a prove-able hypothesis etc. then...there are other sites out there full of like-minded people.
If not, I would repeat CMG's question: other than personal attacks on CMG, do you have anything to contribute to the topic of the Angel Light?
--intjudo
Posted by intjudo on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 07:39 PM
As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular. As am I.
I can offer additional context: this site is called "The Museum of Hoaxes." The whole point of this site is that skepticism is an invaluable tool when it comes to evaluating unproven claims, particularly in the case of unproven extraordinary claims.
If you want to engage in unstructured speculation, without the inconvenience of having to back your speculations with evidence, proof, a prove-able hypothesis etc. then...there are other sites out there full of like-minded people.
If not, I would repeat CMG's question: other than personal attacks on CMG, do you have anything to contribute to the topic of the Angel Light?
--intjudo
Intjudo said:
"As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular."
Bingo on all counts.
Posted by Cranky Media Guy on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM
"As for CMG's alleged obsessiveness...this is just a guess, but it's likely CMG has subscribed to email notifications for new entries into this thread...not because he is "obsessive" but because he is interested in rationalism/skepticism in generaly, and is interested in applying it to the Angel Light in particular."
Bingo on all counts.
Isn't this a terrahertz device?
Posted by Chris in UK on Tue Jun 02, 2009 at 06:44 AM
The technology to see through walls is well understood. The technology uses something that can be described as spread-spectrum radar.
Electromagentic waves can travel through a wide range of materials depending on their frequency. If you have a wide spectrum of EM waves all aimed in the same direction, then you effectively have a large set of radar devices concurrently operating each one invisible to most but not all materials.
The claim that we can see things like Superman X-Ray vision seems a bit much, I would think it would look a lot like a sonogram, but with enough software you could generate something that looks like the new 4-D ultrasounds you can now get for your fetus.
Posted by Booyah Johnson on Wed Sep 16, 2009 at 04:51 AM
Electromagentic waves can travel through a wide range of materials depending on their frequency. If you have a wide spectrum of EM waves all aimed in the same direction, then you effectively have a large set of radar devices concurrently operating each one invisible to most but not all materials.
The claim that we can see things like Superman X-Ray vision seems a bit much, I would think it would look a lot like a sonogram, but with enough software you could generate something that looks like the new 4-D ultrasounds you can now get for your fetus.
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