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Defenders of Troy's "Angel Light" or "God Light" like to use the fact that things have occasionally been invented which forced science to change its conception of how things work.

It is true that such things appear infrequently but that in no way means that every thing that someone produces which appears to violate the known laws of physics is legitimate.

The notion of "keeping an open mind" is kind of a red herring. If Troy can just demonstrate that his invention works under proper scientific testing, it will be accepted. No one is obligated to accept what he says unless and until it is show to work (which has yet to happen).

Jimmy,

Nice rant! Not quite as inane as others on this thread but that's not for lack of trying. The quality is pretty good, you just need some more quantity to bring it up a notch. Let's summarize:

1. An unsubstantiated claim to authority in the fields of "all sorts of quantum physics, energy transfer, thermodynamics, blah blah blah.... you name it..."

2. An profound display of your lack of understanding of the Scientific Method

3. A global dismissal of the concept that precision in language and grammar is important

4. A dismissive and insulting directive to "just shut it."

...followed (ironically) by a claim that your post is *not* childish.

Nice! This thread sure is entertaining. Attracts uninformed ranters like moths to a flame.

If you took the time to learn what the Scientific Method is all about, it may not bore you as much. You're a student of a fascinating field and it it's a shame that you're not enjoying it more.

For your information, anyone who wants to argue about grammar on this post is perfectly free to do so. That being said, I don't recall any arguments about grammar on this thread. Which argument about grammar are you referring to?

intjudo,

It's fun to read your posts. Starting from last year, where all you did was bash everyone, and try and prove your point with irrelevant information. Thankfully, you’ve seemed to mature since then. Lately, you seem to bash everyone's "rants" with your own "rant". Whether or not Troy's items work or not is still up in the air. As far as timing goes, it is possible that you've not heard anything about it because lets face it, he is just one person working on his inventions, he doesn't spend hours on marketing, he spends the time working on his inventions. Companies that have numerous people working on projects can still spend many years working on a project before anything significant is developed. How long have we been working on something to cure HIV? You can't honestly expect a single man to do something in one year that could take entire teams years. On another note, even if he were successful in his tasks, I highly doubt that he would spend his time in informing you specifically of it. Even the best of Physics is nothing more then theories. The foundation of Physics was based off Einstein's theory. Main problem with this, is later in his life, he looked back at all of his work and deemed it irrelevant since it was all based off the fact that the Universe is constant, but we know now that it is constantly expanding.

Eagerly awaiting your "rant" of my "rant",
Tired of it All

Thank you all!
Having spotted the Movie about this guy in the video store, I was captivated by him..and his strange obsession to create a bear suit..


Throughout the course of the film, the man just grew on me, and I was determined after watching the movie to find out more...That was last night at about 11PM

Long story short: I found this thread, and am typing at 7:30AM THE NEXT DAY!

This thread is great!

I have more to say, but I think I need to sleep for a bit first...

I just read about "angel light" today while searching-on "see through walls". It *is* pretty incredible.

Thanks to this thread I found the referenced "Coast to Coast" interview (I just happen to subscribe to their streaming archive service). Based on that, Troy is either telling the truth or he is a bald-faced liar. He left no room for a simple mis-interpretation of his results. He even mentioned he and his brother having looked into the soil beneath their feet (without explaining how he got the huge device pointed-down).

I actually read quantum physics and string theory books as a hobby (I'm a degreed computer scientist, I understand academic discipline and critical thinking) I do know that many reputable physicist honestly question the very foundations of our perception of "reality" (think multi-verse, dark-matter etc.). We also know that neutrinos are whizzing right though the Earth, like it was crystal clear, all the time. We have no right to call anything "impossible" without examining it. Yes Troy is wrong to handle it like he apparently does -- but that shouldn't stop us from at least looking into it.

So I'm unable to dismiss this "Angel Light" out-of-hand. Anybody heard anymore about it in the last year? Why wouldn't Troy have been paid to "hush-up" by now if it is real?

Anywho said:

"We have no right to call anything "impossible" without examining it. Yes Troy is wrong to handle it like he apparently does -- but that shouldn't stop us from at least looking into it."

We aren't dismissing it out of hand. We're asking for the evidence that it works, which is the only fair thing to do when someone makes claims that defy the known laws of physics.

The problem is that there is only one of these whiz-bang machines and Troy has it. Therefore, HE has to produce the evidence. Since he has yet to do so, we have every reason to call "bullshit" on this thing. If and when Troy proves his claims, we'll all have to concede that he is a genius and mankind will have advanced considerably, thanks to him. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen, though.

Here are 2 audio interviews with Troy. Yeah he's crackers. The deal-killer for me his quoting a German scientist attributing the effect of Angel Light to "Fused Light". Problem-is, "fused-light" is ordinary white light -- or any mixture of primary light colors. Still, I'll keep a [wary] eye-open here.

http://www.intalek.com/AV/Troy-Hurtubise.wma
http://www.premiereinteractive.com/cgi-bin/members.cgi?stream=clips/05/01/011905_hurtubise.wma&type=windows_od&site=coast

Tired of It All,

Sorry it's taken so long to rant to your rant of my rants I'm glad you enjoy them, that's what it's all about!

Guess I'll have to review all my posts since 'way back last year to fully appreciate the maturation I've accomplished. And to look for the "irrelevant information" you claim I've posted.

It's too bad so many of my posts consist of bashing people. I admit it's juvenille but I feel compelled to explain, for my own amusement and to attempt to procure the indulgence of those suffering through my posts.

Here it is in a nutshell: the Angel Light is so obviously a load of laugh-out-loud *BULLSHIT*. And Troy's antics are just plain *HILARIOUS*. As is the fact that so many "reporters" are hoodwinked into taking him seriously. In summary, the whole thing is just plain blasted *FUNNY*, I like to laugh, we all like to laugh, and this is just a great opportunity to all get together and bust out laughing! That's all I really want out of this thread.

Only problem is, we who are happily having our hees and haws are occasionally interrupted by...well...ah, ahem, let's just say, people who are...somewhat credulous. Worse yet, these same folks sure seem to have a tendency to include personal insults in their opening salvos.

In reviewing the posts where I'm bashing someone, I think you'll note that I don't bash people just because they're credulous. I bash people who come barging in on this thread insulting people, because I don't take kindly to it and because I feel their insults are a cry for help. As in "Help me, I need help learning how and how not to engage people in useful dialogue."

If you or anyone feels Troy's antics are relevant to science, I suggest discussing it in a forum devoted to serious science (and, for my entertainment, *please* post a link to the thread!).

Meanwhile, if you feel Troy's work is (or may be) scientifically relevant and you insist on posting here, please review Cranky Media Guy's posts before doing so, and kindly address his few, basic and reasonable concerns.

And if you think the whole thing is a laugh riot, please post your personal perspectives to propogate profound Troy Wackiness Revelation Nirvana.

And if you want to post insults, fire away because I've got a Rant Analyzer and I'm not afraid to use it!

Well Troy has proven once again the best lie is "The Big Lie". If you carefully make all supporting facts impossible to verify -- and a compelling enough lie -- you'll get people like us to at least talk about it. I guess the UFO craze just won't do it anymore.

Ironically -- it is my journey to the "edge of physics" (string theory) via the likes of Michio Kaku and Brian Green (et al) that makes me even more susceptable to some bizare claims. It turns-out that science doesn't really even understand things like how particles get mass -- and whether we're constantly transmuting into parallel universes based on our choices collapsing wave functions (or even what Dark Matter is)

So, when some kook claims to have stumbled onto something that defies the laws of physics -- it's not such a stretch for those who "know how much we don't know". See?

Now the fact that this kook lives near the N. Pole -- where the solar wind causes ionizing radiation to form the "Northern Lights" -- does make one wonder if physics could be a 'lil skewed up there. Logic sure is

I really should make sure you get to hear Dr. Kaku -- your world view will change from "objective" to "not so sure anymore". Enjoy this video on Google videos.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2461483863639462160&q=kaku

THis is absolute nonsense. I am ashamed that a person with such utter fabrications is given as much publicity as he has. Look his firepaste works, im not denying that. But once he started work on his immaculate light that is when you really have to start looking at it critically.

If it did work he would have no problem funding his work. None at all. All he would have to do is call the discovery channel. Setup some simple experements with controls and there, instant proof, instant funding, instant wealth.

This goes for all his magical light inventions. It is convenient that he chose to stop work because of the "hyde" effect without showing any proof.

Then he claims he has made a "God" light which will reverse all these debilitating deseases. The greatest of which apperently has been shown “staggeringly positive” on CANCER!

Then in the next article he is focusing the god light on seed germination http://www.baytoday.ca/content/news/details.asp?c=8634 .

Pardon me??? Seed germination? As opposed to curing cancer? Either this guy has the shortest attention span in the world or... He does not want to focus to long on one area long enough so people will not have a chance to take him up on his offers of "testing" his machine.

This is what really irks me, and convinces me he is a huge asshole. In the article it states "But it could all be for naught, Hurtubise said, unless he’s able to start making money from the God Light". So his words "And if that doesn’t happen within a few weeks, he’ll be placing the 26-foot long device on eBay."

Ok, let me get this strait, you have a machine, that apperently reduces scarring, decreses the size of tumors non invasivly, and can increase crop production and he may scrap it. He is an asshole in this regard, he is letting thousands, maybe even millions of people die from cancer because he will not get his results tested. Any medical facility would be spewing out grants like crazy if this did work.

Or which is most likely the case, he is an asshole because he is just flatly lying, wasting peoples time and energy engaged in things that are more important. Which is it?

I am just wondering if this Phil Novak chap has anything better to write about. Someone explain to him what the burden of proof is. Maybe it was a slow day at the office but shame on you for giving people false hope without any credible backup.

no way...!

I thought ol' Troy was last years news, but people are still talking about him - media addiction must be a terrible thing...

and there are still people, who after reading the posts here and any of the informed media out there, actually beleive that a man who shines a light on his brothers wifes titties and claims to cure cancer is a God-like genius!

Check out the quote

'I said ‘buddy don’t you get it that I am an idiot with electronics,’ so he would show me what to do using the Web cam,” Hurtubise said.'

if that didn't have you all rolling on the floor pissing yourselves then I don't know what would.

'80,000 lux of full spectrum light'

thats as bright as a dentists lamp and white. And for somthing so powerful that it can reduce cancerous in tumours in mice, you can stand next to it and take a picture with what looks like a £2.50 disposable camera? I think someone should take the 20 thousand dollar challenge and just go and hit him around the head with his God Light until he loses his appetite for Bay-Today fame.

And don't even start on about light speed.

New light source cures ANYTHING!!!:

Yeah -- it's called "Moulson Light" (less filling -- taste great!)

Check out this poster, featuring Troy modeling his bear suit in a heroic pose:

http://announce.curtin.edu.au/local/attached files/ignobelawards.pdf

It's a poster for a week-long event that was held in Austrailia:

"The Weird World of Highly Improbable Scientific Research"

A National Science Week Event

Friday 13 August, at 6pm

Elizabeth Jolley Lecture Theatre
(Building 210)
Curtin University of Technology
Kent St, Bentley

Curtin University of Technology

...it says "Ig Nobels are awarded for peer
reviewed, published, scientific research and are presented annually at Harvard University."

...I didn't know any of Troy's "research" had been published, much less peer reviewed. I'll have to check that out. Does anyone know where any of Troy's "research" has been published?

--intjudo

http://announce.curtin.edu.au/local/
attached files/ignobelawards.pdf

Link didn't post correctly.
There should be a " " between "attached" and "files" in the URL

I split it in two for this post; copy and past both parts into a single URL

Geeze! Something is filtering out the percent sign, a numeric 2 and a numeric 0.

OK, instead do this search on google.com:

"troy hurtubise" "national science week" filetype:pdf

Something is filtering out a percent sign, a numeric two and a numeric zero in the URL I'm trying to post. It shows up as empty space in the URL I posted.

So instead, do a Google search on:
"troy hurtubise" "national science week" filetype:pdf

I just wanted to point out that anybody who uses 'smileys' is either a retard or a 12 year old girl.

Yes intjudo, I am referring to your idiotic blathering. For Christ's sake son, go back to highschool.

Marvin,

Thanks for the rant! It's not at all productive but at least it's short and to the point:

1. False statement combined with an insult that applies to me, to all developmentally challenged human beings *and* to all 12 year old girls. Four for one!

2. Insult

3. Two insults in one sentence.

Very condensed rant. It really says so much with so few words. It's like Rant Poetry!

You seem to be lacking in the "facts" department, so here are a few facts to get you started:

1. There are plenty of people who use 'smileys' who are neither retards nor 12 year old girls. You can easily verify this for yourself: ask 100 random people who are neither developmentally challenged nor 12 year old girls if they've ever used a 'smiley' and collate the results. When you're finished, please post the results to this forum and we'll go from there.

2. I am not a developmentally challenged individual.

3. I am not a 12 year old girl.

4. I have graduated from high school.

And, a word of advice: an opening salvo of insults is not conducive to meaningful dialogue.

Cheers! Hope your mood improves soon!

The Ig Nobel Prizes are basically joke awards "given" to people who have done ridiculous things in the name of science. Look up the word "ignoble" sometime.