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Ok lets just say it is the Former JM, and IF he did come out, what would his life be like then ?

Endless Harassment, Criticism, Judgements, etc. - the exact same reason he came to his demise?

Maybe at one point, he Thought he was ready, but then thought twice, in a way.

What would be gained ?

More money ? - doubt he needs it

Fame - he doesnt want it

Harrassment - he wanted to live without it

Its really a shame since the world didnt appreciate what was... and the oddity that WE now seek it out.

This seems like a good pragmatic assessment changeling. I would have to add that the criticisms and judgements come with the territory and in this case they would, as they are now, come from a strategically organized DOORS of 21st Century/Riders on the Storm camp. It would be the true Jim fans against these people and I think the good guys would ultimately win although now we are quite the underdog.
Justice would be gained. Jim would receive the rewards that were taken from him and he would be greatful. And everyone could use extra finances, especially when they are so deserving of them.
Jim couldn't come back as the rock star he was because he has changed so much in time and because music is not what it used to be. I think the many people would be fascinated by how Jim peceives reality, how he feels his work was publicized, the scope of his intellect and the care he has for his family and for his fellow man. Jim still writes and loves painting and this might be what is on the table if we are able to bring him out in a positive light.

Jliz,

I believe everyone wants Jim to receive the rewards that were taken from him, without a doubt. He was raped..And he was the Slave...Its so funny when you think about really How hipocrisy works.

Im sure its a situation where none of here has exprienced having to walk away from everything, or run in this case... Its not a "us" or "fans"win. I think everyone wants JIm to win and get was he wholeheartedly deserves. I have not seen any I hate jim morrison clubs lately, have you ? (j/k)

No one expecting Jim to come back as a rock star,, Personally i wouldnt care if he was bald, fat, toothless, hillbilly, or sang off tune... whatever......The people want him to come back as the artist he was and what he represented . A beautiful mind is a terrible thing to waste.

But I will agree to disagree with you on this.. If he wholeharted wanted to come out, he would...the man was not dumb, although a good legal team would be a big help in this case . You nor pitts have the means or powers that be to do it, and do it correctly, you cannot force what doesnt want to be, and if he does want to come out, im sure he would.

And i know i see your name listed everywhere taking flack for all of this, and at times I think you do deserve the flack you get , I do think it was handled poorly, and poorly represented as a circus act. And yes the famous singing at the table bit, at first i was skeptical , but i do believe it was/is him, but it sounds to me that it was not recorded with his concent like he was caught off guard, and please dont tell me to go buy a video to hear the whole thing, hey, maybe you can use the money from the video and donate it to charity or the "coming out fund" for his attorneys.

And Ironically this man that you both try to "break out" wanted to be taken seriously artistically and again according to your clips and pictures more looks like a circus act.

And yes you can come back and say i dont know jack shit, and thats fine, but again Im the Unsilent Majority and im sure most would agree what I had said.

On another note, I hear that the jimmorrison.com name was finally acquired for the Estate.......hmmm........will be intersting to see what is posted on the site when it does get going.

I just thought of a good means for evidence that should exist... Cowboy Jim should have some pictures somewhere of him in 1972, 1973, 1974, etc. I'd like to see what he looked like then. If he can't provide any, well, I'm sure he would say that he was trying to keep a low profile and wasn't exactly having publicity photos taken of him... but still, realistically, there should probably be some Polaroids he has from that time.

perhaps his wedding pic with Marsha from years ago?

Hi all,

Actually this debate now seems to be heading the way I had always hoped that it would..subjective, concise and lucid.

For my part I have re-read ny prior comments and realise how agressive I have sounded. I'm sorry for this..its mainly cos i do my responses via my phone on the trot. I didnt mean to so I'm sorry.

JLizzard, I wish all your entries were as lucid and insightful as they have been recently. I think all of us here would agree that that you have a depth of knowledge and a passion for the subject that is inspiring (at your best).

Listen..if in the VERY unlikely event that Morrison was still with us..I echo what Dennis and Changeling have alluded to. He could just say hi!...fooled you all and like Greta Garbo, I want to be alone!..Sure he'd have to suffer a period of press attention, but after a time, they'd get bored and give up.Most hero worshipers mainly think of a young guy..not a guy in his sixties..their adoration would soon wane.

In short, he would ultimately be left alone to rear horses or whatever he wanted to do, and revert to the obscurity from which ths "cowboy Jim" thing has plucked him.

Goodnight

Andrew

I was thinking the other day that if Cowboy Jim is the real thing (still a BIG "if", as far as I'm concerned, though I do consider it a possibility), then I don't know that he would really deserve any compensation. When you fake your death, people think... you're dead. The rights to your property go to other people who can do whatever they want with it. From the point that he declared himself alive, and from this point forward, yeah, he should get some compensation and royalties and all that, but not retroactively. And if he is the real thing and really wanted/needed the money, I think he would have made much more effort to prove that.

JLizard, on the highmountainrogue site they have this quote: "A fingerprint match has happened through F.B.I agent D.W.Jones. Laser point measure between pupils says yes. Voice comparison is an affirmative. Photograph comparisons match. Congratulations everybody Jim Morrison is back."

Well, that sounds good, but means absolutely nothing until we see any of it. I'm skeptical, but I'm addressing you knowing that you fuly believe it to be true, so I'm taking it from that viewpoint... Do you think any of this stuff will be made public, to the point that everybody can be satisfied with the evidence?

Also: "Jim Morrison didn't fake his death. It really happened as we who know and were there, part of the true grapevine. Mr. Morrison simply took advantage of a bad situation. A little help, He's outa there. There was no conspiracy outside of the US."

He didn't fake his death?? Obviously, if this whole thing is true, then his death was faked, and I have a hard time not thinking he was complicit in that somehow. What does that mean, though? Did the French government offer some kind of witness protection thing? How did they fool Pam and others who say they saw his body, or expect them to keep the story straight? The witnesses, few though they were, who say they saw his body at death, make this whole thing suspect for me.

If kids in the prime of their lives "trade their hours for a handful of dimes" to make a living these days, just think what people would do if they were offered a handful of $10,000 bills. Instead of $7/hr like $1000/hr. Wow! They would do anything and not trade it for anything in the world. Ever. This is what Ray, Robby and John have just for keeping it secret that Jim Morrison is alive. For them to honor the truth would mean an end to their lifestyle support system.
The DOORS seem to believe that at one time JM was an artist, and that they helped him get his art out to the world and that he got his share and that they are getting theirs.
JM was extremely difficult to work with. Unpredictable, unreliable, egotistic, and a druggie (and have any of you ever had to work with someone addicted to drugs- They're untidy, commanding, verbocious, they have friends who try to steal from you- it is torture). RRJ could only relate to JM's eccentric ways for so long, then it was nothing but nerve racking.
I think a lot of JM's angst was that he was trying to squeeze compassion out of RRJ but it was like trying to squeeze blood out of a rock. On several occasions he told them he was going to fake his own death- to me this seems like a cry for help- a longing to escape- but ultimately and ironically it was to escape FROM THEM.
I do not think that you can categorize JM's return to life like you would the wealthy lawyer who does the same to collect on insurance or to escape a fiesty wife. Jim Morrison had given to the world an art form it appreciated in his day and throughout history. . Jim's music still inspires the freedom seeking rebelious and instills fear into conventional fundamentalists.
Out of respect for Gerald Pitts' hard work, I tried to help him with his video and project but like everyone hear and even my closest personal friends say, "it just does not work". cowboy + rockstar + rodeos + Doors + Paris, France = le nausea or le bullshit, ha ha.
My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend. But every rock and roll band out there, no matter how radical and independent they try to make themselves out to be, are bound by puppet strings as to how far they can go to express themselves. I have talked to Billy Idol's manager Carol personally (what drove Billy Idol to that crazy rendition of LA WOMAN I can only wonder), left messages for Alice Cooper, posted on Aerosmith's message board- no one wants to get booted off their record label. The "truth" has no place in their bread and butter sandwich. Or maybe they just don't respect Jim Morrison as a artist and that's up to them.
The Vacation Band out of Hollywood and Yakuza out of Chicago both traded me copies of their cds for Gerald's video, and I appreciate that. Cliff Morrison also called me to thank me for his copy.

OH geez, here we go...Jliz...see this is just what sets me off... the endless rattle of $hit

Im sorry but Everyone realizes again I state JM was raped and was the slave..we get that..

We understand since he is not JM legally...the suits/estate get the money,royalties etc........we get that.

We get RRJ and others wont say anything due to the big money train may go to a hault......

But there is other ways!

Why keep blaming RRJ and anyone else for them not stepping up to acknowledge ?????

HE can put a stop to it... He dont need them or anyone else to acknowledge, he has himself for chrips sake ! ! !

Hes a big boy he can Tell the truth..there are more ways than just worrying about a Few key people acknowledging him, ..even write a tell all book and make $$$$$$ himself without the rest of the crew.

"My way for the JM truth to come out if for a major rock and roll band to call Jim out on the stage or break it to the world that this is JM and he is their friend " <----- that will never happen, if it did it would be with the Doors even with all that has went on.

Then here you go and start thowing Cliff Whomever's name around just to plug him in there, and that just killed it for me.... You seem to jump from one person or another dont think you would be doing any of this out of the goodness of your heart, you are doing this for $$$$$ yourself, also a hypocrite....

When you repost back , can you please, since you are the Authority on the subject so to speak,or pitt's puppeteer say something that you have not already said 1000X.

the same tune, over and over and over again,............ its like a broken needle on a record player........
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There are alot of cool people who post to this board, and i like to hear their rational options whether i agree or not,
.Im sorry but again but your on the wrong crusade then jlizard you seem to run to whichever truth is going to lead you to $.

Im sorry everyone i rattled on enough..but your intended twisted way ....twists me.

Dennis, i read your post above.. And those quote's are a little odd.

But..Dont forget his dad could of helped in all of this as well

Im sure with careful planning it could of been accomplished no problem without a doubt.

Hi Guys,

Please focus on your points of view..somehow I yhink that we're getting close to the truth.

I say to all; please use paragraphs and punctuation..its not that I'm an English nerd, its just that it's really hard to read if you don't.

I suspect that some of these comments on this site are contributed by folk who have spent sme time in the "Pub" ..I would like rational discussion on this site for once; and as far as I can tell, Dennis is the guy to take this debate forward unless JLizzard has something fresh to contribute.

I almost take back my earlier praise of JLizzard; after his last rant.... but somehow I feel he's probably closer to the truth than any of us could ever get to.

I'm trying to look at this subjectively..I hope Morrison is alive..but I know in my heart that hee's dead. I dont give a damn about his lost fortune etc I hope the pathetic remaining Doors Fail as they deserve to

Cheers

Andrew

Hi,
I was watching "France 24" news channel today where they mentioned that they were going to open Jims grave/coffin on 24th June..I wonder if anyone knows about this?!

It sounds very much like what that French kid Stephan was talking about a while back before various folk shut him up.

Is Jim in there? ..well we'll see!..at least we'll have some kind of conclusion. I heard that Andy Morrison will be at the exhumation.

I wonder what cowboy Jim will do if there is a legitimate skeleton..Oh well, we'll see

Cheers

Andrew

Jim Morrison may have to be exhumed and moved from Paris, says 'Rolling Stone' magazine, on or around the 6th July 2001... This date is when the 30-year lease on his grave expires. The 'Guvnor' at Père Lachaise cemetery says they are sick of cleaning up after fans who visit Morrison's grave. The cemetery, also contains the remains Oscar Wilde, Chopin, Proust and Jean-Paul Sartre. Ray Manzarek, The Doors minder and spokesman, said that Morrison may be moved to the Czech National Cemetery, and laid to rest next to Franz Kafka, although Morrison's Mum and Dad have the final say.
$$$$$$$HA HA, cleaning up tourists last dollar!$$$$$$$

Funny how it co-insides with the Calif Film festival ending on the 24th

funny how it co-insides with the Calif Film festival ending on the 24th --- sorry meaning their final screening on the 24th

Ok seriously this has gone on long enough. Jim Morrison is dead and gone. Now as sad as that is to say, because I am completly in love with him, it is true. Do you honestly believe he would sell out and live in Oregan on some farm wearing wranglers and stuff, with some woman that is not Pamela?? Come on!!! He loved Pamela, as disfunctional as their relationship was, they were totally meant to be together, and he would never, ever leave her like that.. I'm sure the only reason he died is because he knew she would end up being with him soon anyway!! Its not just a coincidence that she followed him not far after he left this place you know.. And as much as Jim spoke out against conformity do you really think he would magically turn into some cowboy and raise horses in the midwest?? No says I, not all the LSD in the world would turn that perfect souled man into a mainstreamer. Geez I dont know what kind of sick high Jlizard is getting out of trying to convince everyone that my love is alive and a f***ing cowboy, but he should seriously stop. I went to that bullsh*t site and I wanted to throw my lap top across the room.. If that man is Jim Morrison I am Janis Joplin.. Next thing I am going to hear is Jimi Hendrix is living in Georgia somewhere, on a peach farm raising goats.. Jlizard go load a fat bowl and toast, or take a hit of some high grade acid and take a trip to talk to the real Jim above us!! Let Mojo's fans worship him they want to remember him, the real way he was, and stop trying to force this imposter onto them.. Let Jim rest in peace man!

and another thing JLiz please explain to me how the thirty year lease of his grave site going to expire around July 6th 2009?? Hmmm lets see Jim died July 3, 1971, he was placed in the ground not far after.. So lets add 30 years to 1971 shall we?? Anyone know the answer?? Hmm well that would be the year 2001!! And if I am not mistaken this is the year 2009. So please explain that one to me.. I mean I know I am just a 23 year old and have not had that much info on grave sites and such, but I havent heard of a grave site having a "thirty year lease" and why would Jim put himself there for a measly thirty years anyway? Seeing as how he will be dead for eternity I would think James Douglas Morrison was a tad bit smarter than that and probably got some kind of permenant resting place (afterall I do believe he was tested on genius IQ levels).

~Thanks!!
Mrs. Mojo Risin

This is absolute b.s. Jim isn't alive anymore and it's an inevitable truth. A great poet and influence was lost. No matter how many drugs you're on, that picture shows no resemblance. Even on peyote or mescaline, for the guy below me.

Mrs Mojo! I had a serious lol at your comments..well done. I'm not entirely sure about the "ins and outs" of grave leasing in Paris, but I understand that Pere Lachaise does indeed rent the space which relatives need to keep contributing to...rather like a lease let on an apartment.

From whan I can glean from the stuff that I've read, is that the only time this status changes is when the deceased become a National monument (ie Wilde,Piaf etc etc) at which time the authorities take over the care and preservation of the grave site.I dont know if Jims site has reached this status or not.

Personally I've visited Jims grave site many times..going back to 1976, and it truly is a toilet..graffiti, old syringes and half smoked reefers etc. I did hear that it has been cleaned up a bit..I hope so.

The only comment I can make is that the French are very different about the care of their dead than the Yanks or Brits...they think nothing of pulling them out..cleaning them up and shoving them back in again. I've seen this happen twice in Pere Lachaise..maybe this is whats going to happen later this month.

I guess this debate will continue whatever happens..and I'm glad of it..I love reading the comments and contributing to them..especially when I'm sober!

Cheers all

Andrew

Well thanks Andrew. Thank you for learning me about the Pere Lachaise! Its good to know the REAL facts about that stuff. I understand I may be a little nieve in this aspect. If Jim's site is not a National Monument it should be!!! It will be quite amusing to see what all of these conspiacy theorists say when Jim's bones are excavated!!