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"Rupert; When people make claims they should back them up. When they make insulting and scandalous claims; people who the claims are made against have every right to demand they back themselves up."

It's all in the approach, above you have made a legitimate point and you have retracted the defensive posturing.

It makes for better conversation....here anyways. I wouldn't have bothered to interject a friggin thing if you would have initially engaged Green Fairy in more of a diplomatic tone.

Not that I'm at all worried about GF's ability to defend him/her self, I just can't tolerate the LttD governing body mindset here.

I'll do all I can to stomp that fire out.

Lesser Magic at it's finest...you should know that.

In my opinion what you demand for is out of line, what you ask for is quite in line.

Fake Nahshon said:

>>You accused Magister Diabolus Rex Church of being both a Vampire and a Setian. Both are disrespectful.<<

You are either deliberately pretending not to know this information or you are in complete denial. Everyone knows Magister Rex is a ToV Vampire Adept. He says so himself. Check out his Myspace profile.

http://www.myspace.com/diabolusrex

It has been noted several times on here by people who have read the document that Magister Rex contributed rituals to the Ruby Tablet of Set. You're going to have to download that document to see for yourself. I'm not going to do it for you.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/174/P240/

http://ineedfile.com/the-ruby-tablet-of-set


>> members of the Council of Nine have not been formally introduced to each other since the 1960s. They are asked their opinions separately.<<


Again, I'm only going by what was told to me by hierarchy. You keep trying to shoot the messenger. Take that information however you want to. *Shrugs*


>>I am not on Lifeforce but I can access LttD if you have links of hierarchy Temple defense<<


That's unfortunate because Lifeforce is the best source for this. They are more open about it there. I'm no longer a member of LttD since Ventrue started charging, so I cannot run proper searches. You'll have to look that up yourself. One only need to search under "ToV" to encounter all of the posts from hierarchy that either deter discussion of the group or defend them from criticism.


>>The source page lists the Temple between bats and burlesque. Both are quite insignificant to most Satanists. As is the Temple.<<


That's not true. The Sources page is mostly bedrock Satanic literature by LaVey and CoS hierarchy, music and important projects by members of the CoS. If the ToV was insignificant they would be in the links section. Not listed under SOURCES for The Church of Satan.


>>I am touchy to see a woman who actively defends us all so disrespected by anyone who enjoys the protection her actions take.<<


I do not need Magistra Ygraine's protection. She's not very well liked by many. The woman has issues. Your mention of the former Rev. Borg, Jantsang, hysterical demanding tone and contant cheerleading for her raise suspicions you very well may be her.

Or at least someone close to her. It is obvious you remain completely biased regardless of the evidence presented to you.

>>...people who the claims are made against have every right to demand they back themselves up.<<


Did I make any claims against you? I was talking about Ygraine. This statement you just made is so telling and also helps prove my suspicion regarding who you really are.

They allow Nazis. Someday they will even allow active Setians.

I wonder what led you to to believe they would allow active Setians someday?

I thought the CoS considered the Temple of Set to be a rival organization because of its attacks against Anton LaVey and his organization. I am sorry yet I highly doubt the CoS will show mutual admiration for the ToS.

And for non-CoS/ToV members in this forum here is a quote about the Church of Satan and politics:

"The Church of Satan is not a NAZI organization. As has been said many times before, one

"Such people may join; however, once they have flowed into some other system of thought no longer consistent with Satanism it is not Satanism that must change, but their own self-definition as Satanists that should be shed as it has been abandoned."--

I had never seen Magister Diabolus Rex Church's Myspace page and will not illegally download Setian or any other documents. Your explanation of the sources is sufficient.

I tried to shoot the messenger because he would not reveal who sent the message. I was rude because the accusations you related involved me secondhand and were not true. For the last time I am not Magistra Ygraine.

The page you linked was as I described it. The Temple is exactly as important a source as the bat rescue and burlesque show. The Sources page is not the Theory and Practice page.

Defense of a good woman whose personal issues are none of our concern is not cheerleading. You will also notice that Ygraine has mentioned Borg once in her blogs and Jantsang not at all. The only people who mention them these days are Church of Satan detractors such as Aquino and Schreck.

The Church of Satan allows members of any other non-contradictory organization to join. The Temple of Set has gradually changed and continues to change into a being compatible if not at all similar to the Church of Satan. Soon they will be as acceptable to the Church of Satan on paper as the O.T.O.. When Aquino dies there will be no further reason to deny a member to explore the mystical side of the path.

Some Satanists recognize that a stick alone is weak but many bound together are strong. I'm surprised your source hasn't accused Magus Gilmore of being one of them too. Tell me please; does your source think Magus Gilmore is a former Setian; Vampire or member of the American Fascist Party?

Just curious...is everyone here a jesus and trying to "save" these folks from the temple? I mean really what has this entire forum done?

The temple exists still. they will continue to attract members. hell christianity is even more bullshit than the temple and thats been around for over 2,000 years..so my question is what is the purpose of this website and post? to expose the temple? okay so you've done that...now what?

also if you say to detract members from the church of satan and temple remember those words in the satanic bible about man being his own redeemer. this forum is even more anti-satanic than the temple of the vampire could ever be.

This is a unique Vampire website for real vampires as well as the curious. It has valuable information for any real vampire and is based on scientific evidence. It also leads to other good websites for real vampires.

When Aquino dies there will be no further reason to deny a member to explore the mystical side of the path.

There is no support of "mysticism" in Satanism the last time I checked.

Some Satanists recognize that a stick alone is weak but many bound together are strong.

"The use of the adjective

Just curious...is everyone here a jesus and trying to "save" these folks from the temple? I mean really what has this entire forum done?

"1. When someone claims to have a direct line of communication with Satan[undead gods], watch out. Selling that kind of mysticism is exactly how Christianity has kept people enslaved in ignorance for centuries. <b>It

"1. When someone claims to have a direct line of communication with Satan[undead gods], watch out. Selling that kind of mysticism is exactly how Christianity has kept people enslaved in ignorance for centuries. It

"1. When someone claims to have a direct line of communication with Satan[undead gods], watch out. Selling that kind of mysticism is exactly how Christianity has kept people enslaved in ignorance for centuries. It

Thank you, just curious, and I will take your opinions into consideration.

@Private -

What the Church of Satan says and does are two completely different things...as evidenced with the whole ToV nonsense.

But then again you undermine anything the priesthood has to say about Satanism since they're all members of the Temple.

And once again, we return to the argument that anyone who is against the ToV, questions it or questions the support of it by the CoS is not Satanic or acting like a heretic... :zip: :roll:

Also, its not fair for the hierarchy to get mad at Satanists who have never been members of the Temple or who didn't get results as ToV members to wonder why the CoS is against belief in conjuring external entities when one comes to the Temple's website stating:

"THE CALLING OF THE UNDEAD GODS

In exquisite and careful detail, you will learn exactly what to do in order to meet the most advanced Vampires in a direct and powerful manner.

We know who has honestly obtained these instructions from us.
If you have been honest with us, we will come to you."

I invite you to picture this, picture being a Satanist who is against belief in external anthropomorphic entities and now imagine what they think when reading the above quote or reading in the vampire bible about conjuring the undead in your chamber. Got the idea? Wouldn't you be a bit confused as a Satanist as to why this organization is supported by atheistic symbolic Satanists?

So now can you understand why some of us here have a beef with their judgement and support of the ToV? It just seems like one big contradiction.

Its not like this type of person is out to attack the CoS; they are just saying in their head, "What this Hell is this and how is this compatible with Satanism from the CoS's perspective?"

And then the Satanist who is was in alignment with the CoS's non-theistic views is left confused. Basically, the whole attitude displayed in this forum is a "What the Hell!" and "its all Bull" type of attitude. Seriously, can you not understand why some CoS members here, on LTTD and elsewhere are concerned?

http://www.satannet.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=361312#Post361312

Is the poster LoneNights a "bad guy" or not a Satanist for questioning what he perceives as a contradiction to Satanism? I don't think so yet he or she was quickly silenced with verbal judo which is VERY suspicious. :zip:

"Often the Church of Satan is accused of being a great big organization where members must never question the hierarchy. This is not true."--A Critique taken from Magistra Ytraine's Various Satanic Rants

http://magistrayrainetwo.blogspot.com/

Anyway, we have already questioned and said what we chose to say so its a bit late to try and tell us to shut up. :zip: :lol:

Sorry, this isn't LTTD...

Though Magister Phineas and others rightfully tell people to stay quiet on LttD about the Temple; RMerciless gave a perfect answer which satisfied the questioner. He was often the voice of reason on Alt.Satanism too. Before you start Green Fairy; I am not RMerciless.

LttD is not the Church of Satan. LttD is a hangout for many Satanists which is run by a Satanist and Vampire. It reflects both. That is Magister Frost's right.

I have never been dissatisfied or ignored in asking questions of the hierarchy. I have questioned posts; essays; books and policies of Dr. LaVey, Magus Gilmore and many Magisters. I have also questioned them personally about the Temple of the Vampire. I have always been answered fully in that matter leading to my present views of the situation.

But I have honored their demands not to be questioned about it on LttD. Respect Magister Frost's rules in his domain. But ask freely; and to the poster who claimed to be waiting for a reply from Magus Gilmore himself; He has better things to do. Why not ask an agent?

I dont think it is wrong to question CoS hierarchy but I don't think an answer would suffice. I think it is all up to the individual to decide if the Temple is or isn't compatible. I don't see anything wrong with asking how or why but if you are incapable of understanding then it is your issue.

Also I was speaking about those who did talk shit about the CoS. This wasn't everyone but certainly there is no shortage around here.

"And then the Satanist who is was in alignment with the CoS's non-theistic views is left confused. Basically, the whole attitude displayed in this forum is a "What the Hell!" and "its all Bull" type of attitude. Seriously, can you not understand why some CoS members here, on LTTD and elsewhere are concerned?"

So coming here and creating a massive stink based upon lack of understanding is resolving this issue? Has posting here succeeded in solving anyones curiosity? I mean seriously. What would concern me most is living adults would all gravitate here and just post random complaints. I am just wondering if this forum has succeeded in anything? I mean what is the major goal here? Can that even be answered?

its a place 2 gather info. ive learnd lots. all s8tnists like 4bidden knowledeg, f we didn we woundtve found the satanic bibl. hear we can tlak bout stuff they dont let us say on ltdd. someitmes its trolls but sometims its good ppl. and i think some of the ppl here are big names, warlocks and revs and stuff. and square peg mite be ygraine! lol

Private; I have read Magus Gilmore's essays.

>>>There is no support of "mysticism" in Satanism the last time I checked.<<<

Mysticism is broadly defined. Satanism is not compatible with belief with some of the Temple of Set's doctrines. It may be compatible with others. Satanists are not restricted from looking into other such half relevant religions. I expect the Church Of Satan to allow members to look into the Temple of Set's esoteric goings on; much like Masonry or O.T.O. As soon as the last vestige of their claim to be LaVey's true successor dies; if it survives Aquino at all.

>>>"The use of the adjective

A Square Peg since you have been so vocal here I have some questions:

1. Are you an ex-member of the ToV?

2. Are you thinking about joining the ToV or supporting their religion? If so, then why?

3. Are you a "legally registered" member of the Church of Satan?

If so, then you should have no problem identifying who you really on here (and not remaining anonymous) since you are speaking for the CoS and its Administration.

Otherwise, you are a fraud and misrepresenting the CoS on here in regards to the CoS Administration's so-called position on the Setian issue.

5. Do you think summoning external undead god entities is compatible with Satanism as codified by Anton LaVey? Before answering the question, please review the "preface" to The Satanic Bible.

5. Last, do you think the ToV is a mind control cult, hoax or a scam?

If you are not a member of the CoS then stop being a poseur and speaking for them. I have more respect for Old Age than a fraud and poseur with supposed inside scoops any day of the week. If this is the case then who cares who YOU are because you can't even be honest with your affiliations or identity on here. :lol:

Furthermore, if you are a BIG FAKE then you are a self-righteous hypocrite for interrogating Green Fairy like your a CoS representative with your condescending parental attitude.

And if you do not reveal your identity here then we all have our answer. This is because a public representative of the CoS should have no problems with revealing their identity to the "public".

I do not speak for the Church of Satan; I had not said so because I thought it was obvious from my first post that I am just another concerned poster. I have repeatedly explained I am not specific hierarchy, I will say now that I am not even a Warlock. I am a nobody and have never acted like anything more. I have posted guesses and suspicions regarding the Temple of Set, but make no claims. I said "I expect the Church of Satan will" and not "We will". I have never claimed to have an inside scoop on anything. I am taking Green Fairy to task for claiming to have an inside scoop without backing it up. When have I ever claimed to speak in any official capacity? Your questions:

1- No.
2- No.
3- I have a red card.
5- Only in the ritual chamber.
5- Yes.

You would probably not care who I am or recognize my name or even my LttD name. Green Fairy has insinuated she knows people and has inside scoops. Green Fairy is the only person here who merits the scrutiny you put me to.

And we would all be happy to know who you are, Private.

I appreciate your reply and your honesty.

I also appreciate you trying to help me understand where you are coming from.

I have nothing else to say in regards to myself other than my opinions and theories expressed here are my own.

And I hope the links I have provided speak for themselves in this forum in regards to the various topics spoken about here.

And I think what most here, especially concerned CoS members and ex-ToV members are looking for is simply some closure. And trying to pretend it never happened and forgetting about it all is just not good enough. Some may lie and say they just moved on yet it has affected their lives and many feel resentful and want a sense of justice in their lives.

Also, when you feel you have been lied to, manipulated, or taken advantage of it is only natural to be resentful and desire justice when one feels a perceived wrong.

I am not here to save anyone yet I would like to see the ToV end if it is nothing more than a mind control cult. I don't like being played and I hope what comes around goes around for the founders of the Temple. I hope they end up as unhappy and frustrated as they have left many ex-members left feeling.

And before the reader judges some here for voicing there concerns I ask the reader to put themselves in our shoes. I think most here are not here out of mean intent just to attack the ToV or CoS. It is simple--many here feel taken advantage of and wronged if one is willing to objectify the evolution and direction this forum has taken.

And why are there so many people saying the same negative things about the Temple if the ToV isn't a big money making lie. Are these people all just big mean liars out to attack the poor widdle innocent ToV who is just MISUNDERSTOOD?

I haven't revealed my identity so I don't care about getting attention or trying to save anybody.

As for me, I just want some closure and feel like there is some justice if we are just a bunch of fleeced rubes.

I am not a great writter and maybe I am wrong about some things yet I know when something doesn't smell right. And I think the ToV stinks...

"This is because a public representative of the CoS should have no problems with revealing their identity to the 'public'."

Actually the Church of Satan does NOT require any member INCLUDING members of the Priesthood, which are defacto-spokes persons, to out themselves to the public.


This is not mere opinion but if FACT.

Private; Our interests are different. You want to recover. You rightly include vengeance in the recovery process; Though I don't think posts here will have any effect on the Temple. If it helps you of course you're on the only track that matters.

My concern is for myself, then other Satanists I know, then the Church of Satan. I have met no Satanists excepting yourself who have had a problem because of the Temple. I have know of several who have had problems relating to the allegations against them from this thread. I have never seen evidence that the Church of Satan itself suffers from Temple association; But I do see the undertow of unmoderated irresponsible debate doing damage. This debate erodes the mutual respect between those concerned and I post here to defend myself and my friends from Green Fairy's as-of-yet unbacked accusations.

Like you say, the Temple of the Vampire does stink. So I stay far from it. But I don't spread rumors about which witch stinks worst. Like most rumors, I think Green Fairy himself is making it up for drama, ruining the names of good men and women for his own amusement.

>>>And why are there so many people saying the same negative things about the Temple if the ToV isn't a big money making lie.<<<

Yes, nobody ever says anything bad about the Church of Satan. Had to call you on that one. 😊

"You would probably not care who I am or recognize my name or even my LttD name. Green Fairy has insinuated she knows people and has inside scoops. Green Fairy is the only person here who merits the scrutiny you put me to."

I merit the scrutiny....I merit all scrutiny that Green Fairy and Private puts to anybody on here.

Both of these individuals have stood strong in our battle against the plastic-fangers and have both stood-fast with facts and statements backing up our cause.

There is a cabal here....definately invisible to you but quite visible to me.

We have been here since the pages were in their teens and the comments were pre-hundred.

We have been told by many to give up the hunt and that what we were doing was a waste.

Private has been through this whole cycle of interaction numerous times..it's insane but I love it!

The bottom line is that the notion of the Undead Gods is contradictory to Satanism. The ToV as designed is not compatible with Satanism.

Now lets continue on with the task at hand...Name dropping! This is the most benefitial thing that can come from all of this.

Hail Satan!

Hail EiS!

Hail p.133

Hail Outstanding Difference #5

An interesting tidbit which I don't think anyone else has addressed--Gilmore is a fan of Michelle Belanger, a so-called "psychic vampire" (and an illegitimate vampire by ToV standards). You can read her "Vampire Codex," and the comment about Gilmore, here:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vc/vc00.htm

"It has also come to the attention of several noteworthy occult organizations, including the Temple of Set, the IOT and the Church of Satan. (Peter Gilmore, current head of the Church of Satan, expressed his disappointment at Michelle's absence at the New York City release of "V" as he wanted her autograph on the special edition of the Codex released with that work)."

Frankly, if Gilmore likes Belanger's crap (and she is such a pathetic goth vampire wannabe, profiled on some History Channel vampire documentary trying to "feed" on some partner), I wouldn't be surprised if he's actively involved in some way with the ToV.

I'll find the footage of Belanger "feeding" on YouTube and post it, just so y'all can see who Gilmore's a fan of.

Here's the cooky critter in all her vampiric splendour:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyFS1koDg&feature=related

There's more of the interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5yyFS1koDg&feature=related

Sorry, that second link is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT57pyNySOI&feature=related

@Square Peg -


I don't know what your beef is with me, but it's starting to border on obsession. I answered your questions and listed sources. You provided lame excuses for your refusal to look at them and continue to whine and accuse me of not backing up my claims.

Interacting with you proving to be a waste of my time.

I have given you all of the sources that were most important and that would answer all of your questions regarding the CoS/ToV/ToS connection.

Unless I had a tape recorder on hand, I cannot prove private conversations I've had with certain people. I just put that information out there and it's up to each individual who reads it to decide how he/she wants to take it. Again, you can either throw it away as bullshit or take it into consideration. That is all.

I didn't have to know the identity of the posters here to benefit and learn from their information. Their anonymity do not make their claims less valid to me. All I had to do was compare their info with my experiences as well as others I know who went through the same to put the pieces of the puzzle together. And it all fits perfectly.

You see no evidence of the Church of Satan being damaged by the ToV, you say?

Take a look at the 54 pages and hundreds of posts from CoS members and non members alike who are not happy with The Church of Satan. That's a lot of people. Ever since LaVey died, the CoS has been taken as a joke and it's largly due to it's association with the Temple.

Green Fairy;

The Church of Satan is no joke. Not to its loyal members. No more than it was when it began.

I told you what my "beef" was with you. Our conversation ended when you refused to tell us how you know the things you claim to know. My other objections are logged here for all to see and judge. I'll relieve you of my "obsession" and be on my way after one last thought:

Anonymity is a remarkable thing; It makes cowards fearless because it lets liars escape without blame. But it is never permanent

Private calling yourself a satanist,while denying there is a Real Satan is just like calling yourself a Christian and yet saying you don't believe in Christ.
Face it LaVey started that we don't believe in a literal Satan,but you are going to have to face this single Fact pre- anton LaVey Satanist(i.E.the real deal) believed ina literal Satan!!!!!!

Private calling yourself a satanist,while denying there is a Real Satan is just like calling yourself a Christian and yet saying you don't believe in Christ.

I understand that some feel this way; however, the confusion and contradiction you perceive will dissolve once you understand that Satanists (what you may call LaVey Satanists) have chose to define what the devil is to themselves by their "own definition". I realize this frustrates many; yet, as our own gods and redeemers, we choose the labels and definitions that we feel work best for us. This is how we feel so accept this or go do your own thing.

As said a thousand times to those who refuse to listen or believe lies, Satanists are not inverse Christians, Devil Worshipers or Spiritual Satanists because those are their labels and beliefs. I suggest that the reader read the Satanic Bible if one wants to understand how we define Satan and Satanism.

Second, rather than trying to "explain Satan into existence" with fancy mystical words or subjective testimony, can you "objectivly" prove Satan is a real? So PROVE IT and don't expect me to believe you.

Face it LaVey started that we don't believe in a literal Satan,but you are going to have to face this single Fact pre- anton LaVey Satanist(i.E.the real deal) believed ina literal Satan!!!!!!

Sorry, I will not face anything that I have no solid evidence for or take what you are saying on faith. However, I do find agreement with what I find the Church of Satan accepts as Satanism.

As for me, no so-called undead Gods or the Devil has ever physically popped into my room wearing a name badge with the name Satan on it.

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9793/satanteleport.th.jpg

I don't mean to sound like a jerk yet its just that I have never met him and require proof and I am not going to join a cult and pay money to get it. If this so-called Devil was real then I would need no mediator, priest, or High Priest of Satan because he would prove it His Self to me.

Furthermore, even if something did reveal its self in a "physical form" I would still question that experience and not take it at face value like so many do after sharing their so-called experiences.

And, hypothetically, if he was real then I am sure he would be a perfect gentleman and not the bloodthirsty baby killing terrorist asshole Yahweh is. Lol!

http://www.evilbible.com

Anyway, this is not the appropriate forum to discuss or debate the topic you brought up here.

I do suggest that the curious reader read the Satanic Bible and visit the Church of Satan website where all of your questions will be answered. I also suggest that Christians who are going to have an opinion about Satanism do the same BEFORE having an opinion about Satanism.

So, what are your feelings about the Temple of the Vampire? Do you believe it is a hoax?

This is my last comment on this topic brought up by another forum user yet I felt this needed to be said.

Face it LaVey started that we don't believe in a literal Satan,but you are going to have to face this single Fact pre- anton LaVey Satanist(i.E.the real deal) believed ina literal Satan!!!!!

Let me jump into your paradigm for a second and pretend that you were right and, at one time, agree with you that he did believe in a Devil.

So have any of the proponents of this "he believed in a Devil" argument wonder why he stopped representing this belief or stopped believing in Devil himself? I think if you read the Preface to the Satanic Bible and parts in the Satanic Bible saying "satan is a symbol" you will find your answer.

Have any of you who believe this ever considered that he eventually came to the same conclusion that I have about a so-called real Devil and that is why the Church of Satan is what it is today?

In my opinion, I am sure he was curious and "wondered" in his youth many times if the Devil was real yet the Satanist in him overcame the self-delusion or trap of blind belief like all real Satanists.

I trust he had many experiences yet it is amazing he was able to not fall into the trap of blind-belief and mysticism "on his own" like so many do after their subjective mystical orgasms of experience.

Do you know what I think saved him? DOUBT! I ask the reader here to look for that word in the Satanic Bible.

If you are right, I think he may have used the power of his own knowledge from the occult, science, psychology and philosophy to fully understand what was REALLY going on instead of listening to all of the prattling faith-based non-sense/assertions from mystics and believers. In other words, in the true Promethean spirit of Satan--he thought for his Self instead of believing in their beliefs about the gods, devils, heavens or hells.

And I don't blame him or the CoS for not sharing this with everyone, hypothetically, IF it was true, because it is not relevant to his definition of Satanism or to his final conclusion about the Prince of Darkness. And, of course, the stupid would use this "he used to believe in a Devil" as a license for blind belief in his organization because the sheep would do it just because he did it.

If this was so then this is a perfect example of the strength of a true Satanist's mind when it comes to dealing with the popular beliefs this world pushes onto the herd of the so-called "normal" man.

In LaVey's own words, The Nine Satanic Statements from The Satanic Bible,

I'm sorry Joseph. Not only is your comment completely off-topic (this is a forum for discussion of the Temple of the Vampire, after all), but you have failed to provide proof for your claims. Without proof, I call BS.

The Church of Satan was the first above-ground ("official") satanic organization. They get to define "Satanism," not you.

So, unless you have something meaningful to add to the discussion, just STFU and GTFO.

(NOTE: Before anyone brings it up, the Ophite Cultus Satanas, or "Our Lady of Endor Coven," founded by Sloane in 1948 was Gnostic, not satanic.)

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/8186/tovfur.th.jpg

Here is some more discussion in another forum about the ToV:

http://www.vampires.nu/pages/Forums.cfm/action/viewmessages/Forum/5/Topic/15886/PageID/10

Plastic-Fanger...Garbage!

"We discovered a subtle secret about death and human consciousness long ago, allowing us to develop a particular kind of technology that has long been called magic. As a result, the legends of vampires, gods, faeries, angels and many other supernatural entities have their roots in our Family's past.

However, just as primitive cultures view modern technology as magical, human beings refer to our practices as supernatural out of ignorance. What we do is far from supernatural. We simply understand truths that remain hidden to the rest of humanity."

Taken from.....well I won't say where..

How would one respond to a comment like this:

"From time to time we have lifetime members who decide that they are in contact with the "real" Undead Gods and attempt to splinter off with a new interpretation of the Teachings.

These people are simply deluded.

We always follow our motto to "Test Everything. Believe Nothing."

Those who do not follow the explicit Teachings and requirements set out and approved by the authentic Leadership of the Temple lack validation.

A patient in a locked psych ward may believe he is Jesus Christ. Those who hold the keys to the ward do not agree.

We hold the keys."


What is being said here is that these "teachings" are not valid unless they are sanctioned by the "aunthentic leadership".

So even though you can read the instructions they are not valid unless you have the idea of the Undead Gods imprinted on your dome!

Oooooh...Scary!

I say that your claim is false and that your theats are idol.

I believe that your teachings are garbage and even if there was anything of any substance there, I could apply them and use them as I wish, without fear of reprisal....

Take that to the bank....

Hail Satan!

um . . . . Hail Satan . . .

Yes, Hail Satan or whatever.

Yea man - Hail Satan man!

Yes, Hail Satan or whatever.
Posted by Joan Jett in Black Toad on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 07:03 PM
Yea man - Hail Satan man!
Posted by Slash in Pickton on Tue Mar 09, 2010 at 07:05 PM

If you don't have an opinion about The Temple of the Vampire in this forum then you are either a troll and/or flamer.

And trying to make fun of Satanists here has nothing to do with the topic and doesn't hurt the Satanist's feelings at all.

I've seen posts like that deleted by our gracious hosts here at Museum of Hoaxes, although some may think that this discussion isn't Moderated, it is very much so...

All the same, I know where snide remarks like that derive from.

Too a point it's expected.

Hail Satan!

Hail EiS!

I don't think the Temple of the Vampire is a ripoff, but I ultimately found it unsatisfying. I returned to Christianity where I now give lots more money (by choice) than I ever gave ToV. I have no hostility for ToV, it just wasn't for me in the end.

"I have no hostility for ToV, it just wasn't for me in the end."

I don't think anybody expects you to have any hostility towards the plastic-fangers.

That's not what this conversation is about, it's not about people figuring out that something is not for them and whether or not they harbor resentment after the fact.

It's about the relationship that exists between the ToV and the Church of Satan, and how the ToV belief system is contradictory to what is stated in TSB.

In the meantime, I think you should up your tithe to your church, I think that your pastor would appreciate it.

In my opinion, I am interested in hearing all ex-members or those who think it is a hoax opinions about the Temple even if their opinions disagree with mine. However, I do feel childish name calling and personal attacks detract from the content here.

I do enjoy the discussions about the ToV/CoS association as well as other viewpoints related to whether or not the ToV is a hoax.

Here is something I ran across on the net today:

http://www.vampiretemple.com/proof.html#home

I do recognize a lot of these names in the testimonials here as testimonies of Temple Adepts.

I do find it very suspicious that they have to post these stories to try to recruit members.

When is the last time you heard of a worldwide secret society of GODS trying to recruit members with infomercials (like on Youtube) and now product testimonies? *chuckles*

I think this makes the Temple look very, shall I say, "desperate". 😊

And I laugh to myself remembering the Temple nitpicking some members for minor petty issues yet made a God out of a whiskey drinking fan of Motley Crue--seriously. Lol! This is just too much and almost comical... 😊

Just wait, once you get inside, all of this lovey-dovey being embraced by the Family BS you read in these testimonies flies out the window real quick for some.

JOIN THEM! :coolgrin:

@Private -

Those testimonials sound so bogus. They are all pretty similar and mimic Nemo's style of writing. Perhaps he edited them.

I don't know how things are now, but I recall members of a ToV cabal tell me that in order to move up in rank (along with paying your way in) you have to write a testimonial of your experience with the teachings for every grade you are applying for. And since most people know what the Temple is looking for after having read The Vampire Bible, most fake their way up the ranks.

This is the only religious organization that I know of besides Scientology that uses quirky testimonials the way one would advertize on an infomercial. :roll:

There's even sappier testimonials somewhere else on the member-only forums. It reads like self-help crap ("The Temple helped me to quit smoking..."--as if you didn't have the guts or willpower to do it yourself before you got in the Temple). TheAbysmals' testimonial, "Voluntas Vitaeviternus," is particularly disgusting in this respect.

And you're right, Private. Nearly all those people are Adepts (Prometheus, AEnigma, AngelVamp, Devilmaycare, Yamatu, Solomon, 2Faced_Babydoll, TheAbysmal, Rosa_Mundi, Inanna, Thos, Nykterion, Draven, Gibor [who I've seen out spamming websites as a temple rep], Ninth_Cimmerian, Izazel).

I really do wonder about these peoples' mental health.