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Operation Mincemeat
Captain Bill Jewell, the British submarine commander responsible for carrying out Operation Mincemeat, died last month. Operation Mincemeat was the top-secret WWII military subterfuge that, many argue, helped to ensure the success of |
Categories: Military Posted by Alex on Thu Sep 02, 2004 |
Comments (16) |
Actually operation Mincemeat was a diversion for the invasion of the island of Sicily in the Mediterranean on June 10th 1943.
This invasion was a year prior to the Normandy D-Day landings and an unconnected operation. The Normandy invasion was across the English Channel on the Norman coast of France on June 6th 1944.
Posted by David Kumhyr on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 09:35 AM
This invasion was a year prior to the Normandy D-Day landings and an unconnected operation. The Normandy invasion was across the English Channel on the Norman coast of France on June 6th 1944.
Thanks, David. My WWII military history obviously isn't all that it should be.
Posted by Alex in San Diego on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 09:56 AM
I do hope the soldier was not a volunteer?
Posted by Chipo on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 12:15 PM
The Man Who Never Was
( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049471/combined )
It's quite a good movie. I saw it, not so long ago, on the BBC. Not on dvd yet, but available on VHS. And yes, a remarkable story.
Posted by Paul on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 01:28 PM
( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0049471/combined )
It's quite a good movie. I saw it, not so long ago, on the BBC. Not on dvd yet, but available on VHS. And yes, a remarkable story.
Chipo, the question of whose body was used in the operation continues to be a bit of a mystery, I believe. One theory was that they used the body of a Welsh vagrant. But more recently a British documentary theorized that it was a soldier called Tom Martin who drowned when the H.M.S. Dasher sunk about a month before Operation Mincemeat occurred.
Posted by Alex in San Diego on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 01:56 PM
This is a very good movie, sort of the opposite of a conspiricy movie. Apparently the "soldier" was a Scotish guy who died of pneumonia (although that could just be Hollywood).
Posted by PappaDoc on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 03:00 PM
@PappaDoc
It's a very british movie (from '56 btw) NOT Hollywood.
Posted by Paul on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 03:55 PM
It's a very british movie (from '56 btw) NOT Hollywood.
I sure understand your statement about Hollywood re-making it. I'm getting real tired of them screwing up all those good old movies...The Manchurian Candidate never should have been touched...it was very much too good as it was.
Oh, and if they do re-make "The Man That Never Was" it will either take place in space 300 years from now and involve a robot rebellion or will be exactly like the original, except with more explosions, and it will star Ben Afleck, Will Smith and Keannu Reeves putting on their best fakey-British accents as they fight over Sandra Bullock with her fakey-British accent playing the wife of the dead guy who never had anything to do with the first movie but then they have to have Ben, Will or Keanu make out with somebody, don't they!
Posted by Gee... on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 04:41 PM
Oh, and if they do re-make "The Man That Never Was" it will either take place in space 300 years from now and involve a robot rebellion or will be exactly like the original, except with more explosions, and it will star Ben Afleck, Will Smith and Keannu Reeves putting on their best fakey-British accents as they fight over Sandra Bullock with her fakey-British accent playing the wife of the dead guy who never had anything to do with the first movie but then they have to have Ben, Will or Keanu make out with somebody, don't they!
Neal Stephenson fictionalizes (though not very much) operation Mincemeat in his novel Cryptonomicon.
Just a random FYI...
Posted by John. in Lehigh University on Thu Sep 02, 2004 at 04:43 PM
Just a random FYI...
Yeah, hollywood is running out of ideas, of course they'll remake it. Some day we may even see sequels to Titanic and Gigli.
Posted by john in NH on Fri Sep 03, 2004 at 10:27 AM
Tom Clancy borrowed this idea in "Red Rabbit". He acknowledges "Operation: Mincemeat" in the story.
Posted by Brenda Layland in San Antonio, TX on Fri Sep 03, 2004 at 03:03 PM
Bill Jewell and the submarine Seraph carried a number of Special Ops during WW2 - frequently involved in landing and retrieving agents from occupied Europe. Was also involved in the negotiations with Vichy France before the Torch landings, where the Seraph was disguised as a US submarine - see "The ship with two captains".
There have been a number of books and articles on Operation Mincemeat, starting with the book "The man who never was." The B&W British movie "improved" a bit on the facts. But there was recently - 3 or 4 years ago - some further detail on the identity of the body.
Operation Mincemeat was only part of a steadily growing campaign which was very extensive, with very few realising the full extent.
Posted by Andy in New Zealand on Sun Sep 05, 2004 at 05:35 PM
There have been a number of books and articles on Operation Mincemeat, starting with the book "The man who never was." The B&W British movie "improved" a bit on the facts. But there was recently - 3 or 4 years ago - some further detail on the identity of the body.
Operation Mincemeat was only part of a steadily growing campaign which was very extensive, with very few realising the full extent.
The book I read (which I think was written by one of the British Intelligience people involved)indicated that the body used was of a rather unsuccesful young man, not in the miltary forces because of health or other problems, possibly from Wales, who had died of pneumonia; thus any water in the lungs would be similar to him having drowned.
Permission was obtained from the young man's father. When the body was released from the capsule in which it was carried aboard the submarine off the coast of Spain a brief prayer was recited.
He is buried in Spain as, if I remember correctly, Major Martin, the burial being a military one and recognized by British diplomatic authorities as part of the successful hoax.
I believe the hoax was dubbed "Operation Mincemeat".
Yes; Hollywood will probably steal the plot and dramatize it using some then big-name actor, complete with at least several blazing machine guns (they love guns), several females playing fallacious 'love angles' and the hero will be American. And will completely spoil the understated and smart British manner in which it was actually accomplished. It's rattling good story.
It will be called; The series: "How America Won the War, Episode 153".
Posted by T.Sanford. in Newfoundland, Canada. (Ex Britain). on Wed Sep 22, 2004 at 12:21 PM
Permission was obtained from the young man's father. When the body was released from the capsule in which it was carried aboard the submarine off the coast of Spain a brief prayer was recited.
He is buried in Spain as, if I remember correctly, Major Martin, the burial being a military one and recognized by British diplomatic authorities as part of the successful hoax.
I believe the hoax was dubbed "Operation Mincemeat".
Yes; Hollywood will probably steal the plot and dramatize it using some then big-name actor, complete with at least several blazing machine guns (they love guns), several females playing fallacious 'love angles' and the hero will be American. And will completely spoil the understated and smart British manner in which it was actually accomplished. It's rattling good story.
It will be called; The series: "How America Won the War, Episode 153".
Regarding the Normandy 'D' day landings in contrast to the timing of 'Mincemeat'.
I knew nothing about Mincemeat of course until the book and movie came out after the war. But as a schoolboy in a large port city in North Western England we all knew the invasion into Europe 'was coming'.
By early/mid 1944, Army miltary forces had all but gone from our area although supplies including aircraft, some towed through the streets on their own wheels to be reassembled at the local airpoirt were coming in regularly. The square looking Landing Craft had moved to south of england as had the barrage balloons that had protected railway bridges near our school.
Two sections of what we afterwards learned was the concrete sections of 'Mulberry Harbour' to be floated across The Channel to France and then sunk as temporary docks, being built in a local graving dock,had gone, as we could see from the overhead railway that ran along the docks area. German bombing of our part of the country had just about ceased although the 'Blackout' and air sirens continued! And we were on such short rations (1200 calories oer adult per day), despite US generosity via Transatalantic convoys that people doing heavy labour such as coal mining or industrial work had to be given extra rations! The basement aresa of many of the downtown bobed out buildings had been turned into EMS (emergency water supplies) designated by large on the temporary fences surrounding them. Everything was decreit, worn out and battered after the five years since oubreak of war in September 1939.
I recall as an age 10 schoolboy deliberately sitting next a military uniformed AT (British Army women were called ATS in the same way that British navy women were in the WRENS or the RAF women were called WAAFS) on a bus and brightly asking "When is the invasion"! It came on June 6th 1944.
Cheers. Terry Sanford.
Posted by T.Sanford. in Newfoundland, Canada. on Thu Sep 23, 2004 at 01:12 PM
I knew nothing about Mincemeat of course until the book and movie came out after the war. But as a schoolboy in a large port city in North Western England we all knew the invasion into Europe 'was coming'.
By early/mid 1944, Army miltary forces had all but gone from our area although supplies including aircraft, some towed through the streets on their own wheels to be reassembled at the local airpoirt were coming in regularly. The square looking Landing Craft had moved to south of england as had the barrage balloons that had protected railway bridges near our school.
Two sections of what we afterwards learned was the concrete sections of 'Mulberry Harbour' to be floated across The Channel to France and then sunk as temporary docks, being built in a local graving dock,had gone, as we could see from the overhead railway that ran along the docks area. German bombing of our part of the country had just about ceased although the 'Blackout' and air sirens continued! And we were on such short rations (1200 calories oer adult per day), despite US generosity via Transatalantic convoys that people doing heavy labour such as coal mining or industrial work had to be given extra rations! The basement aresa of many of the downtown bobed out buildings had been turned into EMS (emergency water supplies) designated by large on the temporary fences surrounding them. Everything was decreit, worn out and battered after the five years since oubreak of war in September 1939.
I recall as an age 10 schoolboy deliberately sitting next a military uniformed AT (British Army women were called ATS in the same way that British navy women were in the WRENS or the RAF women were called WAAFS) on a bus and brightly asking "When is the invasion"! It came on June 6th 1944.
Cheers. Terry Sanford.
(off topic)
The epidemic of remakes in Hollywood seems like it's spreading further, with every year seeing more remakes released than the year before. 2005 will see a few dozens. Browsing through Yahoo's Upcoming Movies site, and seeing all the remakes and sequels planned just makes me depressed. What I really don't understand is remakes of foreign films. Do Americans really can't watch a film that isn't part of their culture?
Posted by Isaac on Thu Sep 30, 2004 at 08:56 AM
The epidemic of remakes in Hollywood seems like it's spreading further, with every year seeing more remakes released than the year before. 2005 will see a few dozens. Browsing through Yahoo's Upcoming Movies site, and seeing all the remakes and sequels planned just makes me depressed. What I really don't understand is remakes of foreign films. Do Americans really can't watch a film that isn't part of their culture?
When the operation was sucessful, one of the people uttered these words:
"Mincemeat swallowed whole."
Posted by Yaanu on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 09:03 PM
"Mincemeat swallowed whole."
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