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What a bunch of Maroons (re: Gareth, Enrico, seth, Kuragari)

Let me all give you a hint guys. Newton proved that a water power car can't work sometime around 1700.

When you guys get back to reality and come up with something usefull AND practical give us a jingle.

ey Fresh Grad. I know I may be wrong assuming you are a moron by being ignorant, but I guess you get this if you just finished college with a degree and full of hopes and dreams and ego, if you can download the avi file about this fabled Daniel Dingel "who" has a "working" "water" fuelled car, that he had stumbled upon this discovery when there was an oil crisis in the late 60's to the early 70's (and I remember this is when the American Muscled cars died out) Mr Dingel had a rice farm in his province, and he has this motor the help him plow that he modified to run on water, (to this point I can tell you that there was an inventor in the Phils. that offered this technology in the 60's to President Marcos which was turned down because of no financial gain only help the world get rid of Oil pwered engines) so after his dissappointment offering this knowledge, he then got back to developing it to be more efficient it seemed he has stumped on the fact the the engine needs a lot of current before actually making the engine start and so he kept developing this until today, he's very old and his efforts where noble, he would love to give his technology to any country as long as a the financial gains go to the "Filipino People"... thus his battle and stature stands today.... people got smarter, got degree's got educated, then looked for this myth of a man which the newsppapers denied giving his whereabouts... Japanese corporations as big as toyota wants to buy this invention, because he managed to modify any kind of car to apply his technology and of course it works... a european company tried to get his rights out of his invention... but he refused still... 'old habits die hard' ..so if you can listen to his interview and understand through his filipino accent, you can see he is applying current to the watertank(reactor) which he was warned by engineers that it is unstable you know when an atom of hydrogen splits.. it creates an explosion, but if you harness this energy in small amounts then you have a working stable reactor, now frequency's I am not sure if he applies it.. if he apply sound on the reactor because I cannot see anything on the water tank, and if there is a speaker I cannot see clearly because where the car battery is is where he placed the reactor a tight fit but it fits...

(on the avi file interview) so he demonstated how his engine works, he showed without this current water is just water(stored energy) applying a certain voltage it becomes stable enough to produce its own power strong enough to start the engine and sustain the amount of energy needed for the engine cycle..... blah blah blah.....you know how it works..... but being flamed for the truth... you got to see to believe....... in oder to see, you need to open your eyes...so for this forum/community I ask just to browse this site dedicated to him.... and see the groups archive messages and new developments and as well ask questions about how to improve what you engineers has done who knows you might pick something up to help you own endeavors in this crisis of oil that we.. all of us are experiencing....

oh yeah if you see his toyota corolla running you will see 100% water coming out of the combustion pipe, weird I expect some kind of combustion... so I am still waiting to be proven wrong.....and for people who want to have a scene, well do a little research....for your own good.. so people who are seriously here for education or shall I call mind enrichment would not have to go through this rant of a comment just to say "I know better" .. all I can say is reach out farther....at least you might get some sense in your life....comprende? ..jackolero..

Kuragari:

I am interested in your experiment with Mustang, can u tell us more about it? how can I contact u personally, thanks

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The materials needed to split water is already in the car. Your motor. I heard in order to keep the heads from cracking you have to start the motor with gasoline. When the motor warms enought to produce steam then you can switch it over. My high school teacher Mr. Brown heated a test tube of water. When the water came to a boil he lit the hydrogen and it burned off the top of the tube. So water can be seperated when it boils to a steam. The steam contains the hydrogen and oxygen vapors. I saw in an old science book that the hydrogen can be seperated by placing a copper wire in a tube w/ a negative charge drawing out the positive hydrogen vapors and vice versa if a mag. wire w/ a positive charge is inserted in a tube it will draw the negative oxygen vapors and seperate the two out of the steam. The tubes then can be coiled up to condensate the steam into liquid. Run the two back into the fuel injectors and the spark puts them back together w/ an explosion. Sounds good but I have never tried it.

spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/carplans_doc.htm

this should give anybody a general idea if not answer most questions related as to how you can excite water with d.c. and shock it with a.c. at the same time and get more out than you use in electric expenditure. this is good stuff!!!

what I think of vibrating water is feeding the right frequency of electricity during electrolysis..lead acid battery desulfators feeds a current at a fixed frequency (which is the resonant frequency of the lead acid battery) and this makes the sulfates recombine with the acid solution..I think this is also similar as what is referred to vibrate the water at a resonant frequency..will experiment on that if I have time..

I saw Dingel's car and there's no hidden fuel container and tailpipe emmission is only water.

for you morons out there, who don't believe in seperating water with dc for polarization and ac for resonant cracking...

may i suggest injecting steam below in to the intake and using a spark plug, distributor, and coil rated for roughly 250,000 volts. steam vapor can be explosive under pressure and fired with 1/4Mega volts. the burn would be instantaneous rather than slowly as for each hydrocarbon has it own flashpoint.

but for the moment since we're still on HC's, staying on HC's a turbine motor emits less no2 and CO and other emissions

To Ron Kemp:

When you boil water the vapour is not oxygen and hydrogen vapours separately but together as water vapour.

Trying lighting your kettle.

The match will go out and you'll scalded by hot steam.

You must have been looking at a different experiment.

A lot of people are vey skeptical about on board on demand hydrogen reactor. I have been experimenting with it 3 months ago. I believe it will work. but not on just 12volts battery alone,you need to step up the voltage by using an inverter to invert power to 220volts ac then reconvert it again to dc that will give you around 300 plus volts dc enough to separate h2 and Oxygen. It works on my 4 stroke scooter,Im planning to build a more bigger reactor that would fit into my car. Skeptics are arrrogant people, does not know what their talking. Centuries ago stupid people thought that they are very smart and said the world is flat. They were wrong after all.

Centuries ago stupid people thought that they are very smart and said the world is flat. They were wrong after all. - Jam

And intelligent people know that the shape, and roughly the diameter, of the Earth was worked out over 2000 years ago. But don't let stupidity stop you.

In Fact during the the mid of the 13th century King Henry the 5th thought that the world is flat.10 years from now we will be expecting lots of hydrogen powered vehicle. Its no fiction. This year I will be unveiling to the world my new project,same as with Daniel Dingels work. If any one of you knows or related to Dingel pls tell him to sell his technology to any investor he knows with a good offer because there are lots of talented people out there who could do the same project.I respect him because he was the first Filipino to do it. Then here comes Glenn Castillo the second Filipino with the hybrid h2+dieasel. I will be the third. If Dingel does not sell it to the public then history might forgot him. Because he is not the only smart guy out there.

If King Henry actually did believe this, then he was probably uneducated about the truth. Ever since the ancient Greeks the educated people of the world knew it was round. Having said that, even if he believed he'd been abducted by aliens, it still has no bearing on a hydrogen powered car.

Hydrogen power isn't a myth. It's very possible right now. The problem is that it's not cost effective. It costs more energy to produce the hydrogen then you get back from it, making it an energy sink. It's still more efficient to burn fossil fuels. Until the hydrogen generation problem can be overcome these cars will never become mainstream.

Additionally, right now all hydrogen cars are extremely expensive to produce. Granted, with mass production that cost will drop significantly, but it will be a long time, if ever, before they approach the cost of a fossil fuel car. Then there are the maintenance issues that haven't even been addressed yet. How much does it cost to keep such a car running for 5 to 10 years?

I was to understand that this device actually 'splits' water in a process that is unexplainable by our current science and physics understanding. The spark plugs are replaced with water splitters and instead of fuel water is injected in and split.. converting to hydrogen and oxygen and then burned. But it would put out more energy than what it used.... something to do with zero point energy.

"Man will never be able to fly, and anyone that claims it is possible should be confined to an insane asylum!" Yeah, right! Tell that to all the aircraft manufacturers out there! It is amazing how many people cannot believe in what they don't see with their eyes! It takes faith -- which is why so many are headed straight for hell immediately after this life! They refuse to believe in God because they can't see Him, even though evidence abounds all around them! It really is true -- only God can make a tree! Just remember, God invented di-hydrogen oxide (water) too! Do you suppose He knows any energy-efficient ways of taking it back apart?

translation on http://www.wasserauto.de/html/daniel_dingel.html


In the spring 2000 the water car came several times in the Philippine television. To 12.8.99 an article in the Philippine DAILY Inquirer appeared (likewise a further article with photo to 26.08.99). According to a Philippine television report at the beginning of 2001 is to begin series production on the Philippinien. Large concerns such as VOLKSWAGEN likewise already called on DIN gel (over evtl. To buy up patents and put on ice? ; -)

Stefan hard man (http://www.overunity.com) led in the middle of 2000 a very interesting telephone interview with Daniel DIN gel, in which this describes its career/development and its future plans. Wolfgang Czapp, which turned own 5 minutes video over DIN gel water car, reports that DIN gel uses particularly coated electrodes, in order to prevent a high current flow and a corroding of the electrodes.

Wolfgang Czapp: Thus the water car functions: It makes nevertheless not so complicated! Water cars run not with explosion of the detonating gas, but with implosion of compressed ether energy. Proofs: The engine will cold, and runs with very much preignition, it could never with the small quantity detonating gas run. Daniel Dingles water car: The reactor is a faradaeischer cage. In it a normal electrolysis with 12 V and 5 Amper is carried out. Around the electrolysis unit is a swinging coil of only few turns. This coil swings in resonance with the ether energy. This energy is back-reflected by the edelstahlbehaelter into the inside, and gives thus strengthens the Engie on the electrolysis off. The detonating gas, which is mixed with exhaust air, shifted with energy, sucks in the engine. After two thirds of the compression procedure the concentrated ether charge is ignited, and condensed in form of a Inplosion. Thus like Daniel DIN gel several times sagte... very simply!!!

I am interested in water as a fuel,and am sure it can be achieved ,as far as breaking the bond between the elements ,i think that electricity is the answer,but also i think the shape and size may be important ,plus if the electrodes can be vibrated perhaps with piezo ,(ultrasonic ) to dislodge the bubbles faster,this may be the key to efficiency ???.

Vehicle..on demand conversion. Using ultra sonic as a bond H2 breaker may be possible. Bearing in mind that the product may not be H2 but Ortho or Penta hydrogen...I'm not an advocate of water powered cars regardless of the 'testimonial" avaliable. The energy content in Hydrogen remains much lower that the same equiv. of gasoline or propane...do the math then do a little experimenting on a small scale..avoid using caustics as catalysts...Dan

Hi out there !

First I have to say that I've studied chemistry and therefor understand just a little bit of physics and chemistry.

And of course I'm a very sceptical fellow !
So eg I couldn't believe the lifter device
(flying construction) but after rebuilding that
device I was able to verify that it indeed works !

Now to the so called "watercar":
After some calculations, a normal car (2Liter engine) at 3000RPM would need the separation of 0.38 liter H2O per minute to gain the same energy as with gasoline (isooctane was used for this calculation) (eg. 2kJ per round).
This would provide about 42.4g of H2 per minute, and 0.158 liter H2 per round. As 0.158 liter in totaly 2 liters are 7.91% the H2/Air mixture in the engine would be able to explode (over 4% minimal H2 needed for an explosion) and provide the same power as with gasoline.

If you make the same calculation for the minimal H2 needed for combustion (4%), you will get an amount of aprox. 0.2 liter of H2O needed for separation each minute. The resulting power of the engine would be only half of that of a gasoline driven engine (but for sure would be enough to drive around).

Now, for every guy out there that have ever done a labor-scaled electrolysis by himself, it is clear that is nearly impossible to electrolyse 0.2 liter of water (and 0.38 liter of water would be even harder) in just ONE minute!

This electrolysis would take so much energy, that
it would draw down every car mounted battery so fast, that you would probably only drive that car out of the garage and the battery would be nearly empty.

Now comes the main clue:
The hole watercar device would be only possible if it is realy true that there exists some devices which are able to "gather" some energy not only from battery, but from an unknown source (eg. surrounding air heat, or "free energy").

At this point it is hard to belief as scientist that such devices are possible, although there are many devices out there that claim to do exactly that (eg. Joes Cell, Brown Gas, Bingo Fuel etc.)

After I've taken a closer look on all of this devices (as I did for the lifter too) it's clear to me, that I can only belief by building up such a device myself.

Through mail contact with Jean-Louis Naudin
I've tried to figure out which device would be the most promising one, so I decided to build a Binge Fuel device for myself.

Take a look at the following experiment:
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/bingofuel/html/bfrcl.htm

The used BingoFuel cell was able to deliver about 3.7kW through a 5HP electric generator, and the cell needed only 2.5kW to run.

Although the Bingofuel device provides enough H2 to power the 5HP generator, this experiment should run much longer to prove the "gathering" of some other energy (overunity).

So I'll build one of this devices myself.

I'm still not sure that such devices are functional, but the above experiment (see link)
is very promising !

Cheers ! Claude Steiner