hulitoons - 02 July 2008 08:22 AM

Maybe he’s taking his wife’s Premarin???

Premarin? Will that give her a bigger cup size?

*looks into his spambox for offers*

Beasjt´s number is 669 - 02 July 2008 08:29 AM

hulitoons - 02 July 2008 08:22 AM

Maybe he’s taking his wife’s Premarin???

Premarin? Will that give her a bigger cup size?

*looks into his spambox for offers*

If you can’t find any I’ll send you some that promise to make you a bigger man.  Won’t help your cup size though.  Then again…... 

So he can sneak into the womans washroom…. Whats the big deal? He still has a penis right

(What I said is so wrong, but someones gotta make fun of his situation at least once)

I can’t say it’s definitely not a hoax, but in view of the testimony from an expert endocrinologist at the University of Sheffield, it’s unlikely. It’s also been picked up by the Telegraph, not just the Sun tabloid.

It’s also happened before. It’s rare, less than twenty other cases worldwide, and only two of them well documented. All previous cases had a female gender identity - they were transsexual - so this came as an enormous relief. Especially to those who had no history of cross-dressing, nor exhibited anything other than male behaviour.

There appears to be 4 types : Type I involves excess prolactin due to a damaged pituitary, and takes 7 years to have full effect. Type II is the most common, and least understood. It’s associated with rapid estrogen absorbtion by cells, and excess estrogen for reasons unknown. It takes 3 or so years for full feminisation at normal pubertal rates.  Type III is the spectacular and dangerous one, the change happens over months, not years. It appears to be the result of simultaneous CAH and AIS Intersex conditions. Types I-III happen at age 45-50, usually.
Type IV happens at puberty, and appears to be an Intersex condition.

Female to Male natural changes, due to 5ARD or 17BHDD are far more common - maybe 1 in 70,000 rather than 1 in several million.   

One of the cases blogged it as it happened. Also the only known survivor of Type III.

She’s a member of the Australian Sceptics, BTW. There’s a number of witnesses to testify that it was her body that got photoshopped, not the images.

Google “Zoe Brain”. Me. And before May 2005, I had no idea of any of this stuff. There’s still nothing in PubMed about it. Lots on 5ARD a 17BHDD, but these MtoF cases are so rare they haven’t been studied.

Huh..

Welcome to the Forum, Zoe. There’s cookies on the table.

Zoe, amazing!  And yes, welcome to the forum!  I am most impressed with this information too.  I cannot even imagine what this transition must have felt like or how difficult to deal with.  Looking at the pictures you’ve provided, I must truthfully say that the last is one of a VERY pretty young lady,  no matter the journey to get there!

hulitoons - 03 July 2008 02:58 AM

I must truthfully say that the last is one of a VERY pretty young lady,  no matter the journey to get there!

Young? I wish! That was taken at my High School’s 30th anniversary bash.  The Class of 75. But keep the compliments coming!

It’s a Boys’ school too, BTW…..........

The bald guy with a beard sitting next to me was the other 2nd row forward on the under-15 rugby team with me. I loathed the game, but as I had the stocky build for it, was dragooned into playing, despite my wishes. Once on, I did my best, as you try not to let others down. 

That was a crazy time, only 6 months after the first symptoms showed, and only 3 months after I adopted a female social role. You can see why I did though, I no longer passed as male.

Still 12 months before surgery to clean up the genital mess, and I was thinking I had to be crazy to be going to the HS Reunion in the first place. I needed friends though, I felt very vulnerable, and was seeking some security in a world that had been turned upside-down. I no longer tried to keep up the pretence of being the strong, silent male, a role I’d played to the best of my ability for 4 decades plus. In retrospect, I had tried to model myself on the kind of guy I should have married, to live up to all that I thought best in masculinity. Letting go of that, and just being me, with the womanly virtues I’d always possessed, but suppressed, was the first lesson I’d had to learn. Well, it seems to have worked so far.

Zoe

Wow Zoe!

I have to confess I only skimmed this thread before, so I kind of missed that it was you in the photos.

Welcome to the forum. We have plenty of scientists around here, so you should fit right in.

I am glad that you seem to have made the transition with grace and peace of mind (and um, not dying - wow!). I have been on the sidelines while more than one transsexual friend (and one intersex acquaintance) have gone through the process, so I know how emotionally painful and difficult the journey can be.

And kudos to you for going to the HS Reunion! For an all-boy’s school no less! You rock!

I cannot even imagine the nightmare of being caught up inside the wrong body except a very creepy experience many years ago during my early high school years.  I was at a school in Alexandria, Egypt run by missionaries.  A Saddie Hawkins dance was announced and all the girls were afraid of inviting a boy.  I decided I would be a ‘boy’ as a joke for one of my roommates.  I had great fun getting dressed up and even combing my hair boy-style.  I was greatly alarmed, however when all the girls told me how handsome and cute I looked and they all wanted me as their partner.

I ended up not going at all because for all the flattery and compliments AND seeing in the mirror that I could easily pass for a boy, I knew I was a girl.  I was only ‘dressed’ for the part and clothes are easily changed…..but that day I did sit and wonder, (and this was the very uncomfortable part), what I would do if I had woken up that morning and really was male on the outside yet still female inside. 

I refused to talk to anyone the rest of the day; it was an impossible idea and I do NOT believe I could have handled such a reality.

Oh and Zoe, I can’t even wrap my head around you as a guy at all!