I think you find that PM is all in favour of fairness and justice, he’s even said so:
[quote author=“Perception Manager”]Obviously, I want as much fairness and justice in the world as possible. That’s just my nature.
Clearly, since it is neither fair nor just to discriminate against someone for something they have no control over, he’s no doubt agin it! I mean, it’d be as bad as ridiculing someone for their looks!
Disrupting a meeting is not a right. And since that FLDS thread was shut down, I’d like to say this: Your side can’t win an unfixed debate with me. I didn’t answer those ridiculous questions because I wasn’t going to dignify them with a response. Not only that, but the discussion wasn’t about me, but about the FLDS and the CPS. You were attempting to derail the discussion, and I wasn’t taking the bait.
Oh, and as long as we’re at it, the cops dropped the arrest warrant for guy that Rozita Swinton falsely fingered as a 50 y.o. abuser.
Rob Parker, an FLDS spokesman, said the dropped warrant shows the weakness of the state’s case against residents of the ranch.
“I think that’s just one more piece of evidence that the whole basis on which this raid was premised was unfounded and was inadequately checked out, to the formulation of what basically amounted to an army that went in there and took their children,“ Parker said.
The phone number used to call the crisis center is the same one once used by a Colorado woman, identified as 33-year-old Rozita Swinton of Colorado Springs, accused of making previous false reports of abuse.
If you can’t dignify questions with a response, you aren’t debating. You are simply using this forum as a mouthpiece to spout off your opinions, which is why the FLDS thread was closed in the first place.
If you dont’ want to play, then stop the preaching.
If you can’t dignify questions with a response, you aren’t debating. You are simply using this forum as a mouthpiece to spout off your opinions, which is why the FLDS thread was closed in the first place.
If you dont’ want to play, then stop the preaching.
Preaching? I stayed on topic. I provided backing evidence as it appeared on the newswires. My personal opinion on Jeffs was not topical, and not germaine to the discussion. Honest questions seeking an honest answer… they merit a response. The absurd questions weren’t such. And I still won’t dignify them with a response. As a moderator, you should be above the fray, and not part of degrading the debate.
No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.
So surely discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation would be immoral, because it is something over which the individual had no control? If not, in what way is it different to saying sure someone didn’t choose to be black/female/jewish, but we’re not going to give them the job because that’s still what they are?
I dont really care either way on the gay debate, but this arguement always does annoy me.
Unfortunately, if you say biological urges are ‘natural’ and the individual has no responsibility to try and curb them, you’re saying that pedophiles are doing nothing wrong, it’s just what’s natural to them. And, ergo, they shouldnt be punished for it any more than gays should be.
Most people would agree that pedophiles should learn to control their urges and seek help, not rely on the biological defence. You could also extend this to violent people that lash out instead of exercising control etc etc.
If you push the boundaries to societies acceptance, you have to know there’s going to be some backlash along the way.
Debate? What debate? Lesbians held a possibly illegal and improper protest against an avowed gay-basher. We could try debating the morality of the protesters and their actions (if we had any kind of unbiased report of what went down), or we could even debate the morality of the author and his decidedly unscientific pronouncements, but since PM isn’t going to deign to answer our questions that makes the whole thing pretty moot. Not much of a forum when he fully admits he refuses to engage in open and honest dialog with us.
I have to agree that we just don’t have any evidence as to what went on. Everybody has a right to protest; everybody has a right to write a book that goes against “conventional wisdom” or “political correctness” or whatever. As long as it doesn’t break any other laws (e.g., child pornography), I’m fine with that. If I don’t like it, I just don’t read the book. The protestors shouldn’t interfere with the writer’s right to free speech and the writer shouldn’t interfere with the protestors’ right to free speech, and it is possible for for everybody to have his/her say. But I can’t tell who was at fault here, and PM’s link helps not at all. And by the way, the relative attractiveness of the protestors isn’t germane.
To be fair, it’s a difficult thing to avoid doing. When you dislike a person or that person’s cause, you do tend to notice things like physical characteristics, and seldom in a good way. That’s human nature, after all.
Peaceful assembly is the key phrase.
If the site is to be believed the assembly was anything but peaceful.
It’s not ‘peaceful’, it’s ‘peaceable’, meaning free from conflict and quarrel. Picketing comes under this definition, as was confirmed by the Supreme Court in Thornhill v. State of Alabama in 1940.
It is actually, freedom of speech and freedom to peaceable assembly. The lesbians are as free to protest Sorba’s talk as Sorba is to make it, as long as neither resort to violence.
