I wouldn’t doubt Arthur shagged Mary if she was within 100 miles of the Savoy. She is said to have had a gentleman friend who took her to France in 1884. Arthur went to France in 1884. She also said she had a relative on the stage and lived in Knightsbridge. It’s hard to dismiss offhand.
I’m surprised that a possible association with Arthur Sullivan has never been explored in Ripper studies. Sir Arthur was friends with Sir Coutts Lindsay and his wife Lady Coutts who was a Rothschild. If Mary’s son married the grandaughter (I think it’s supposed to be the godaughter who was the child of servants) of the Earl of Carnarvon, we already have the two “random” examples connected by one substantial degree of separation or rather “connectivity” because the Carnarvons are Rothschilds. Maybe this Mary shouldn’t be discounted because she’s older. The Ripper usually killed women in their 40s. It makes more sense that he stuck to his victimology rather than deviated for unknown reasons.
Mr. Menges, will you be having Chris Scott on to discuss his book, “Will the Real Mary Kelly” any time soon? I’d be interested in what he has to say.
Edit July 4, 6:32 PM. According to this March 2007 Mary Kelly link, 13 points of comparison with the witness statements confirm the identification.
If there is no real Roslyn Hoax going on or Davinci Code parallel ascribed to Roslyn and the Ripper by Ripperologists, then why did Ivor Edwards, in his Roslyn Donston book, claim that tracing Jack the Ripper’s murders on a map of Whitechapel created the shape of a Vesica Pisces? This intersection of two circles is definitely a Holy Grail symbol.
If there is no real Roslyn Hoax going on or Davinci Code parallel ascribed to Roslyn and the Ripper by Ripperologists, then why did Ivor Edwards, in his Roslyn Donston book, claim that tracing Jack the Ripper’s murders on a map of Whitechapel created the shape of a Vesica Pisces? This intersection of two circles is definitely a Holy Grail symbol.
Ivor’s book is riddled with errors, his chronology on Stephenson is poor and his claims have no basis in fact!
Ivor’s book is riddled with errors, his chronology on Stephenson is poor and his claims have no basis in fact!
Ivor didn’t have half a dozen volunteer researchers working on Stephenson for him like Howard Brown did.
Instead of Murder By Decree, call this one Murder By Design.
The Vesica Pisces is also an overlay of the Tree of Life, the Kabbalistic symbol of the Path to God used in Freemasonry. So it doesn’t refer only to the Mother Goddess or Early Christianity.
Further to the idea that Ripper may have used circles in his crimes, I do believe the reports of two rings and two farthings being placed at the feet of victim, Annie Chapman. But everyone believes the inquest statement of the doctor on the scene who arrived 40 minutes later and whom author Stephen Knight claims was a Mason. He, of course, dismisses the reports. Masons have a practice of removing metal from their persons.
Arthur Sullivan was a Mason but I don’t think anyone is suggesting he was the Ripper and he doesn’t really help the case for Donston. If anything, the idea helps Maybrickians. I’d look for a lurking Maybrickian being behind this theory because James Maybrick was the brother of Michael Maybrick, the composer.
Ivor’s book is riddled with errors, his chronology on Stephenson is poor and his claims have no basis in fact!
Ivor didn’t have half a dozen volunteer researchers working on Stephenson for him like Howard Brown did.
Instead of Murder By Decree, call this one Murder By Design.
I work independant of Howard Brown.
All my research is done alone, with no help from anyone.
Ivor had taken most of “The True Face of JTR” by Melvyn Harris and presented it as his own, adding a few maps!
I managed to put together a massive chronology on Stephenson and his family based on primary sources such as trade directories and Census details, and presented it for free on jtrforums and ripper casebook.
The most recent addition is here, http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=45
My current chronology on him and his family has about 1,500 thousand entries which were obtained and paid for by myself. This is stored on a pendrive and will be featured in my book on Stephenson.
Ivor’s book is riddled with errors, his chronology on Stephenson is poor and his claims have no basis in fact!
Ivor didn’t have half a dozen volunteer researchers working on Stephenson for him like Howard Brown did.
Instead of Murder By Decree, call this one Murder By Design.
Uh, I could stick any ole’ red spots in there….. Or overlay a pair of mouse ears for that matter.
If you need a character witness for this issue, I can at least vouch for Howard Brown. I can testify that this Brown would never try to cash in on Dan Brown. Money is no object to him. Only the truth is. He’d rather pass up a billion dollar payday than compromise his belief which is that Roslyn Donston is the worst suspect for Jack the Ripper since Robert Stephenson!
He can’t bring himself to plagarize Dan Brown when he accused Stephenson of plagiarism. I know. I tried to get him to do it.
Has anyone read the book The Ripper Code by Thomas Toughill? I’m wondering if Oscar Wilde did put coded messages in The Picture of Dorian Grey to the identity of Jack the Ripper because he did claim to know who he was.
And if anyone was likely to divulge such a secret in his artistic works, it would be Oscar Wilde, not Walter Sickert. I don’t think Walter Sickert painted clues in his work even if he knew who the Ripper was.
Wilde was definitely connected to suspects Miles, Druitt, and the Prince of Wales and Mary Kelly, I believe, was killed on the Prince of Wales’ birthday.
Has anyone read the book The Ripper Code by Thomas Toughill? I’m wondering if Oscar Wilde did put coded messages in The Picture of Dorian Gray to the identity of Jack the Ripper because he did claim to know who he was.
And if anyone was likely to divulge such a secret in his artistic works, it would be Oscar Wilde, not Walter Sickert. I don’t think Walter Sickert painted clues in his work even if he knew who the Ripper was.
Wilde was definitely connected to suspects Miles, Druitt, and the Prince of Wales and Mary Kelly, I believe, was killed on the Prince of Wales’ birthday.
The book is awful and when it first came out several well known British book stores promoted it as fiction!
