Renquist - 05 June 2008 05:24 PM

I’m sorry, where do I mention fingerprinting? I didn’t mention it once. It has nothing to do with the Ripper. Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Sorry, reading my own post again, it does look like I’m saying you implied this. I didn’t intend that.

If anything, Jack the Ripper may have helped the cause of communism. The murders sure didn’t hurt the cause of the Socialists.  Some think he was a Communist or Chartist reformer. He may even have taken his name from Welsh reformer Jack Rees who’s nickname was Jack the Fifer. Newspapers once linked Mary Kelly to someone named Rees and witnesses said she was Welsh. And I believe Kelly was likely from Liverpool where most of the Irish went after the Potato Famine.
I don’t think the Ripper was a socialist but I think he did have a social conscience, not unheard of in heinous crimes, albeit misdirected.

Razela - 05 June 2008 04:40 PM

MikeCovell - 03 June 2008 08:07 AM

I became interested in the field of Ripperology as a direct result of being involved in the paranormal.  I had always had an interest in the field and in 2006, diagnosed with a critical heart condition I was forced out of work.  Rather than sit on my backside doing nothing, I decided that I would write a book on the paranormal, a task which drew my attnetion to the fact that several previously named Ripper Suspects had links to my hometown of Hull.

I’m sorry, but I’m not seeing the connection between Ripperology and paranormal.

Hi Razela,
Although there was no direct link, all the alleged haunted locations I visted had staff who claimed the building had links with one ripper suspect or another.
Feren’s Art Gallery, has an alleged haunted piano and links to Sickert,
Boot’s Chemists has an alleged haunted stock room, these were the old clerks offices of the Custom’s house were Robert D’Onston Stephenson worked.
Royal Station Hotel has several alleged ghosts and links to Frederick Bailey Deeming, Prince Eddy, Prince Albert, Queen Victoria and a whole host of people associated with the crimes.

Philip Hutchinson has done presentations in the past on spirit activity surrounding the ripper sites, and it is alleged that Robert D’Onston Stephenson had a ghostly encounter in Hull in the late 1860’s.  A fact I am working on debunking at the moment.

Best wishes Mike C

Wasn’t there a version of the same ghost story in a book of Cornwall folktales alongside the poem “Duffy and the Devil” which is accepted as the source of the verses in the Oppenshaw letter, the follow up to “From Hell” that many accept as a genuine Ripper letter?
I tend to like Roslyn Donston Stephenson as a Ripper suspect as does Aleister Crowley, but then again I also had a firework blow up in my face as did the Beast. Ha.
BTW, Our Prime Minister Stephen Harpur’s ancestry goes back to Hull?

Fou Cault - 10 May 2008 07:51 PM

Mary? Prostitute? A secret baby?... Where have we all heard that before?... For the last few years, Dan Brown’s Davinci Code has rocked the world. Coincidentally, tracing this latest rumour takes us right to another man named brown. This time it’s Howard Brown of jtrforums.com, the place for all things Ripper…..
“This is just like Dan Brown, Pierre Plantard, and Holy Blood Holy Grail!“ said a source from jtrforums.com. “I think it’s a hoax!“

H. Oakes

H. Oakes? HOAKS?
If someone calls something a hoax and then signs his name Hoaks, does that mean the hoax is not a hoax?

Kol C - 16 June 2008 08:40 AM

Wasn’t there a version of the same ghost story in a book of Cornwall folktales alongside the poem “Duffy and the Devil” which is accepted as the source of the verses in the Oppenshaw letter, the follow up to “From Hell” that many accept as a genuine Ripper letter?
I tend to like Roslyn Donston Stephenson as a Ripper suspect as does Aleister Crowley, but then again I also had a firework blow up in my face as did the Beast. Ha.
BTW, Our Prime Minister Stephen Harpur’s ancestry goes back to Hull?

There was indeed a story in the same book as the Duffy and the devil tale.  I am working on the Dead or Alive tale at the moment and I have now purchased 10 different versions of the tale, some pre-dating it, some from after the tale.  There are sooo many variations and it looks highly unlikely that Stephenson ever had a paranormal encounter!

The problem we have with stephenson has a suspect is that he was in the London Hospital with a genuine condition.  Melvin Harris knew this, but did not include it in his books!
Then there was talk that Stephenson could have jumped the gates at the hospital!  These were over 7ft high and Stephenson still had shotgun pellets in his leg from a shooting incident in 1869.

[quote author=“MikeCovell” date=“1213800254]Then there was talk that Stephenson could have jumped the gates at the hospital!  These were over 7ft high…

Just a hop for Spring Heeled Jack. Was he ever sighted in Hull?

Howard Brown concedes that there was no outright hoax on the part of Harris. Maybe a few liberties were taken but I think that should be understood in this field of publishing.
Speculative historical non-fiction is hard to write because you have maybe 10 real pages of material and have to stretch it to 200 plus. You have to be a very good writer to do that convincingly.
I’m reading a book on the Holy Grail in America and more than half of it is about King Tut and Neanderthals. Not enough on the donut lakes that are supposed to be pre-Columbian castle moats.
There must be money to be made. I’m surprised no one threw in the Holy Grail in the Donston books. A real hoaxer would have, just to cash in.
So I’m wondering, is someone trying to do that now? Is that what this is all about? Jtrforums does have a thread on a Mary Jane Kelly and the Earls of Carnarvon. Any information on where that came from? Swords at Sunset has got me believing the Grail has its roots in Egypt.

I have not had any sightings of Spring Heeled Jack in Hull! 

I did manage to pick up a copy of “The Rosslyn Hoax” by Robert L.D.Cooper today, I will have a read this afternoon.

Kol C - 18 June 2008 09:46 AM

Mary Jane Kelly and the Earls of Carnarvon. Any information on where that came from? Swords at Sunset has got me believing the Grail has its roots in Egypt.

If the Carnarvons discovered the supposed Judeo-Christian material in ancient Egyptian tombs of the pharoahs and they told one of their servants or mistresses who turned out to be Mary Kelly, perhaps she was silenced to prevent disclosure. I do think the Freemasons were involved. Maybe to protect the Carnarvons instead of the Prince of Wales, Carnarvon being in Wales. Or it could just be an unrelated series of events.
I don’t doubt that Christian ideas and ideals of the Good Shepherd and Holy Mother existed in Egypt pre-Christ but some will find the idea blasphemous. King Tut’s tomb opened the Pandora’s box and Freudians had a field day with material that made them think King Tut was really Jesus, his grandmother Queen Ti is Mary. Maybe The Mummy is a true story.

Dudley - 28 June 2008 09:37 PM

Kol C - 18 June 2008 09:46 AM

Mary Jane Kelly and the Earls of Carnarvon. Any information on where that came from? Swords at Sunset has got me believing the Grail has its roots in Egypt.

If the Carnarvons discovered the supposed Judeo-Christian material in ancient Egyptian tombs of the pharoahs and they told one of their servants or mistresses who turned out to be Mary Kelly, perhaps she was silenced to prevent disclosure. I do think the Freemasons were involved. Maybe to protect the Carnarvons instead of the Prince of Wales, Carnarvon being in Wales. Or it could just be an unrelated series of events.
I don’t doubt that Christian ideas and ideals of the Good Shepherd and Holy Mother existed in Egypt pre-Christ but some will find the idea blasphemous. King Tut’s tomb opened the Pandora’s box and Freudians had a field day with material that made them think King Tut was really Jesus, his grandmother Queen Ti is Mary. Maybe The Mummy is a true story.

*...goes to get the N-Ray Detector…*

*...it reads- “Possible New Emitter Detected….Confirm?“....*

Worth repeating, eh? The Mummy part was a joke, eh.

i know a Queen Ti figurine from Egypt with her breasts broken off and the names Mary something and Arthur something written on it exists in the GTA area somewhere. I seen it but never knew the significance of Queen Ti. I just thought Ti was a poor man’s Nefertiti.
Wasn’t Mary Kelly supposed to be 25 because the one I read about on Howard Brown’s site would have been 33 when she died? She seems to be discounted on that basis alone. The Carnarvon connection is interesting. I have to look into this more but it’s probably another Al Capone’s vault like Oak island.