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Posted: 05 May 2008 10:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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There may be some confusion with the Garde Ecossaise, formed c. 1420 and another William Sinclair but alanpeters.tripod.com/knightstemplar….  says a William Sinclair, probably a nephew of the William Sinclair who build the chapel, was the first to join the Scots Guard and there were four Sinclairs in the regiment in the 16th Century.

David B. - 04 May 2008 06:09 PM

Howard Brown [...] is a direct descendant of William the Conqueror

*pfeeep!* Unsupported assertion, that’s a five yard penalty and loss of down!

You obviously haven’t read Howard Brown’s genealogy thread. www.jtrforums.com/shothread.php?t=1352&page=3
However they still call him Howard the Bastard over there.
Touchdown? Converted?

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Posted: 06 May 2008 04:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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Genealogy is all unsupported assertion.

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Posted: 06 May 2008 05:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 25 ]
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Agreed. Granted, with advances in DNA, we can trace family lines with some freakish accuracy. Determining exactly who is related to which notable historical figure is largely done purely on the say-so of whoever wrote the history of the family tree. One great-grandmother who felt it more fashionable to tell people she was related to the princess than the scullery maid, and your data goes out of whack on an epic scale.

Also, being able to trace lineage to a given ancestor becomes increasingly unimportant, the further back you go. The number of people ‘related’ to Genghis Khan is staggering, but that’s mostly because he lived so long ago.

Scientists *have* determined that all humans share a common female genetic ancestor. Does this mean that at one time there was only one female? Nope. It means that her progeny spread far enough that there are no isolated human tribes that they didn’t interbreed with, eventually.

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Posted: 06 May 2008 10:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 26 ]
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Can anyone join in this game?

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Posted: 06 May 2008 07:05 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 27 ]
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*takes Outeast’s temperature, tsks a bit*

It’s ok, you’ll be better in a week or two.. Here, have some soup.

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Posted: 06 May 2008 11:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 28 ]
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If my family is any indicatation, I may be related to the prince through the scullery maid.

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Posted: 10 May 2008 11:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 29 ]
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This is the earliest source I’ve found online to this Ripper Davinci Code Hoax. It’s from a Jack the Ripper thread on the Oak Island forums, second last entry, by someone using the username Harry Oakes. It won’t link up so I’ll quote some of it here. Dated June 2007:

Did Mary Jane Kelly, last victim of Jack the Ripper, have a child with Sir Arthur Sullivan of Gilbert and Sullivan or is this the latest version of the infamous Royal Conspiracy theory made famous by Stephen Knight?...
Mary? Prostitute? A secret baby?... Where have we all heard that before?... For the last few years, Dan Brown’s Davinci Code has rocked the world. Coincidentally, tracing this latest rumour takes us right to another man named brown. This time it’s Howard Brown of jtrforums.com, the place for all things Ripper…..

“This is just like Dan Brown, Pierre Plantard, and Holy Blood Holy Grail!” said a source from jtrforums.com. “I think it’s a hoax!”
“Certainly not our Arthur!” said a shocked source from Sullivan Archives online.
The verdict from Ripperologists and Sullivanites alike seems to be unanimous. It’s a hoax.

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I wouldn’t doubt Arthur shagged Mary if she was within 100 miles of the Savoy. She is said to have had a gentleman friend who took her to France in 1884. Arthur went to France in 1884. She also said she had a relative on the stage and lived in Knightsbridge. It’s hard to dismiss offhand.

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Posted: 11 May 2008 12:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 30 ]
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Fou Cault - 11 May 2008 03:51 AM

This is the earliest source I’ve found online to this Ripper Davinci Code Hoax. It’s from a Jack the Ripper thread on the Oak Island forums, second last entry, by someone using the username Harry Oakes. It won’t link up so I’ll quote some of it here. Dated June 2007:

Did Mary Jane Kelly, last victim of Jack the Ripper, have a child with Sir Arthur Sullivan of Gilbert and Sullivan or is this the latest version of the infamous Royal Conspiracy theory made famous by Stephen Knight?...
Mary? Prostitute? A secret baby?... Where have we all heard that before?... For the last few years, Dan Brown’s Davinci Code has rocked the world. Coincidentally, tracing this latest rumour takes us right to another man named brown. This time it’s Howard Brown of jtrforums.com, the place for all things Ripper…..

“This is just like Dan Brown, Pierre Plantard, and Holy Blood Holy Grail!” said a source from jtrforums.com. “I think it’s a hoax!”
“Certainly not our Arthur!” said a shocked source from Sullivan Archives online.
The verdict from Ripperologists and Sullivanites alike seems to be unanimous. It’s a hoax.

H. Oakes

I wouldn’t doubt Arthur shagged Mary if she was within 100 miles of the Savoy. She is said to have had a gentleman friend who took her to France in 1884. Arthur went to France in 1884. She also said she had a relative on the stage and lived in Knightsbridge. It’s hard to dismiss offhand.

If she’s recorded as going to France in 1884 and he can be proved to have been in France in 1884 at the same time then yes, that is perhaps something.

But it still has nothing whatsoever to do with Dan Brown. Like I said:

1. Mary is a common name because it’s used in the Bible. Especially popular amongst poor Irish Catholic girls, who comprised most of the protitutes in Whitechapel. There would have been literally thousands of prostitutes called ‘Mary’.

2. A secret baby is a very, very, very common cliche in fiction. And in real life, thousands of girls of good families got knocked up, had the child in secret which was sent to an orphanage and the mother usually to a convent. Conversely the amount of royals who’ve sired bastards is beyond measure. Nil points.

3. Two people called ‘Brown’. One of the most common names possible. There must be hundreds of thousands of people called ‘Brown’ in the world right now.

Coincidences are only important if they’re not ridiculously likely. You can’t connect the dots because two people share a very, very common name or one book has a common plot element of another, especially if that plot elemtn is in countless other books. I bet someone could connect Winnie the Pooh to Jack the Ripper if we had to.

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Posted: 11 May 2008 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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Renquist - 11 May 2008 04:15 PM

I bet someone could connect Winnie the Pooh to Jack the Ripper if we had to.

They both have the same middle name for a start!

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Posted: 11 May 2008 05:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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Renquist - 11 May 2008 04:15 PM

I bet someone could connect Winnie the Pooh to Jack the Ripper if we had to.

They both have the same middle name for a start!

“Oh bother,” said Jack, “That foul painted jezebel’s blood has stained my new trousers.”

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Posted: 11 May 2008 05:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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Robin Bobcat - 11 May 2008 09:24 PM
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Renquist - 11 May 2008 04:15 PM

I bet someone could connect Winnie the Pooh to Jack the Ripper if we had to.

They both have the same middle name for a start!

“Oh bother,” said Jack, “That foul painted jezebel’s blood has stained my new trousers.”

Never read the story where the Ripper dresses up as a raincloud to make the prostitute take cover in a alleyway where he slices her up?

Althogh my favourite was the one where the fat prostitute tried to climb out the window in Jack’s house only to get stuck and he uses her legs as a coatstand.

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