Personally, I wanna know whatever happened to ‘stopping the rambling’. Getting info on exactly where he got those degrees would be nice, too.

Anotherone - 06 December 2007 04:46 PM

I have no defense for my spelling except typing late at night in a dark room, trying not to wake anyone. I understand it doesn’t support credibility, but let’s face it-mine was pretty low on this board anyway. So now I am left with offering years of experience and being rebuffed with the placebo arguement (can’t imagine how that can be in some of the examples given earlier), my credentials are doubted and my spelling and grammar criticized. Not exactly what I had in mind when I came on here. So I surrender to the board. I will continue doing what I can for others and you will continue doing what you do. I think I held in there pretty well. Imagine, if you can, that I am telling the truth. I see people all day for years and watch this work. I come on here for some spirited debate over the facts that I have to offer. Why would I want to go further. I don’t. No hard feelings; I kind of liked you guys in a weird sort of way. I do admit to being a bit lonely at times (raising a brood by myself and seeing patients the rest of the time)--anyway, best of health.

Another fine reply in the style of someone in junior high.

“...and being rebuffed with the placebo arguement (can’t imagine how that can be in some of the examples given earlier).

What a pity you STILL don’t appear to comprehend the placebo discussion.

It is far too simplistic to state that a patient came to you with a skin condition, then it went away like magic therefore it MUST have been your treatment that did the trick.

Every day my alarm clock rings and, like clockwork (excuse the pun) the sun comes up, therefore my alarm clock causes the sun to rise.

Skin problems are notoriously difficult to treat, as you well know, and have a multitude of factors involved in their occurence and disappearance.

You may feel totally confident in believing you “cured” some patients, however, as common sense guides us, you have been suckered into a scam “science”, it CAN’T be the NAET. You have to look for other reasons.

That you feel comfortable continuing in your “work” and in receiving payment for “services rendered” is a question for you and your “God” or your conscience, whichever is appropriate.

“I kind of liked you guys in a weird sort of way.”

Likewise you, but not enough to condone your scam practices however much faith you place in them.

I have a beautiful autistic son, his name is Wesley. He is 2 years old and was diagnosed at 17 months (we’re in shock because he was so young). We spent thousands of dollars on a few months on speech therapy, floor time, ABA, you name it we tried it. One day we met with a board member of the Autism Society of GA and she introduced NAET to me and my wife. We read the book and I have to be honest I had y reservations about this and couldn’t understand how it works. We decided to try NAET and started the treatment about 4 weeks ago. Let me tell you, we are seeing a dramatic improvement on Wesley after 4 weeks.  From absolutely no eye contact and no communication to a child that looks us in the eyes frequently and communicated his needs not only to his parents but to friends and family and is always happy and smiling. Every time we go out to a friend’s house you can see Wesley playing with other kids, hi is just becoming a normal child (even his regular pediatrician noticed his improvement during a recent visit). When we gave Wesley his first treatment the therapist found him allergic to 12 out of the 15 basic allergens. So far we have done 8 treatments and we are scheduled for number 9 this afternoon.  I spoke to the doctor and asked him why this is not to public knowledge. He told me that Dr. Devi have been trying to get this to the government’s attention but since this is a non invasive treatment that requires no drugs it is hard to catch the attention of the scientific community. He did tell me that he went to a convention in CA about two weeks ago, met with Dr. Devi and she told him that NAET will be in Oprah Winfrey sometime in Mid 2008 so please stay tuned.  They are going to have some case studies and they will show some Autism cases in the show with before and after child and how NAET helped taking the allergies out of their bodies. If you have any questions feel free to contact me and I will try to get answers from our Doctor.  He is really involved and is up to speed with the latest on NAET.

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Well then, welcome to the forums.

You’ll have to understand we’re a bit skeptical of the various claims put forward by others. Of course, it’s always good to have someone with a different perspective, who isn’t trying to ‘sell’ the item in dispute via flimflam, a weak grasp of science, or outright lies. We will appreciate hearing your story, and would love the chance to analyze any new information you care to share with us.

A good place to start would be the names and credentials of these doctors you have been seeing.  This is so we can check to make sure that they are properly licensed and accredited to perform medical procedures of such a drastic nature. Since this is a discussion of a potential abuse of a patient’s trust, we should also include those of the doctor who diagnosed your son, as a concrete diagnosis of autism is exceptionally rare in one so young. The name of whichever medical group provided your son’s care and diagnosis would also be good.

We like verifiable sources, around here, it makes us happy.

Anotherone and Wilberto’s writing style and brave disregard for paragraphs are remarkably similar.

wilberto: It’s great to hear of your success. This forum will not provide you much satisfaction. Its not for people to share good results they have had, rather for (the most part) people to criticize. They are (again for the most part) not interested in information as much as the desire to knock people down. As a practitioner of Naet, I have seen much like you describe. A month ago I had an autistic boy referred to me who also had not had regular bowel movements in over 6 months. After one treatment he began having regular digestive results and his teachers, not knowing he was seeing anyone, began remarking to his parents about how he has begun doing so much better. The board here is mostly interested in where I went to school and who taught me how to make sentences, since my grammar is below their level. You even see on here that there are those who think you and I are the same person because they have analyzed our sentence strucuture and because we have good things to report about NAET. Keep doing what you are doing as long as it works. I wish the best for your family. I have seen many wonderful changes with autistic children with this technique. Hopefully, more good things to come. And to do this technique does not require that the practitioner go to medical school where he will be taught that all good things come in synthetic pill form and the rest is quackery, so don’t worry about that. You are lucky to have found a skilled practitioiner.

Thanks guys. I just wanted to share that with you. I really undestand your point and believe me I am a new user. My son was diagnosed by Dr. Rubin at Childrens Healthcare of Atlanta back in September. 

One very interesting point that the dorctor who is treating him the NAET treatment is that on the first day he told me that he is not going to cure my son’s autism.  He is a chirocpractor not an MD, he told me that he could help with my son’s allergies and that is that is causing him to have some autistic behavior that we could see an improvement. To be honest we are doing floor plan and NAET at the same time. It may be floor time what is helping with the progress it may be NAET who knows.  All I know is that I am going to keep doing what I am doing because I can see the change. On another post Id like to share something that I saw during one of my visits that to be honest freak me out but it made me believe a little more on this treatment.

Daveb,

I am really sorry for my grammar. I was born and raised in Puerto Rico and English is my second languague.  I moved to the USA to look for more alternatives to help my son because they are minimal in Puerto Rico

I found this forum when googling the website for NAET to send to a migraine sufferer.  It is very easy to understand that this technique seems like quackery because it uses a very odd methodology.  I have been a patient of a Chinese medical doctor - Dr. S. Chi of Wpg. Mb. since 2002.  I have bipolar mood disorder and before I went to see her I was almost bedridden with severe headaches and exhaustion.  I had also experienced extreme digestive problems since my early teens which was always dismissed by medical doctors as a “nervous stomach” and related to my mental illness.  After 8 weekly treatments I had complete relief from daily headaches and after 4 months I no longer had any digestive problems and can eat whatever I choose.  She has also helped to keep my mood disorder on an even keel and I visit about once every 6 weeks for a “tune-up”.  The cost of the treatments is very reasonable(50.00) per visit and many health plans cover this expense in Manitoba.  As I have been her patient for over 5 years now I have met and talked with many of her patients who have been very satisfied with their relief of symptoms, digestive, pain, anxiety and many others.  She has never claimed to be able to “cure” my particular mood disorder(I am still on antidepressants) but she assured me that she could reduce the severity of my symptoms and she has certainly “come up with the goods” in my case.  I have recommended her to several of my friends and family members for various ailments and every one of them have been completely satisfied with their results.  She has not had to advertise for the past 10 years......all of her clients come from word of mouth and her office is filled to capacity everyday.  I normally do not join in on forum discussions and I only registered so I could say something in defense of the system that has given me a new life.  I have learned over the years that keeping an “open mind” is very important in looking for solutions to untreatable medical conditions.  The term “the proof is in the pudding” comes to mind when trying to find the words to convey the fact that this is another viable form of therapy to look into when searching for alternative medical treatments.

Sockpuppet

A sockpuppet is an online identity used for purposes of deception within an Internet community. In its earliest usage, a sockpuppet was a false identity through which a member of an Internet community speaks while pretending not to, like a puppeteer manipulating a hand puppet.

In current usage, the perception of the term has been extended beyond second identities of people who already post in a forum to include other uses of misleading online identities. For example, a NY Times article claims that “sock-puppeting” is defined as “the act of creating a fake online identity to praise, defend or create the illusion of support for one’s self, allies or company.”

The key difference between a sockpuppet and a regular pseudonym (sometimes termed an “alt") is the pretense that the puppet is a third party who is not affiliated with the puppeteer.

Astroturfing

A sockpuppet-like use of deceptive fake identities is used in stealth marketing. The stealth marketer creates one or more pseudonymous accounts, each one claiming to be owned by a different enthusiastic supporter of the sponsor’s product or book or ideology.

A single such sockpuppet is a shill; creating large numbers of them to fake a “grass-roots” upswelling of support is known as astroturfing.

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For your information I am not a “sock puppet” and I have absolutely no affiliation with the other posters or with Naet, I’m just a satisfied customer.  Obviously you have do not want to hear about the “miracle” part of this so called forum but just so you know that I am a real person, you may google my name “Irene Johnston” - Winnipeg and maybe you just might investigate your topic a little further before you call someone a “quack”.  By the way, I don’t know what your financial situation is but in my books $50.00 for a treatment is not “expensive” especially if it brings results and if it doesn’t work out I hardly think it will bring the average person to a state of bankruptcy.