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Nambudripad’s Allergy Elimination Techniques, NAET.  Expensive quackery or miracle treatment? 
Posted: 16 November 2007 07:25 PM   [ Ignore ]
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In order to allow for a more in depth look at NAET, and to take the discussion away from the Hoax Forum thread on LifeWave Patches, I’ve taken the liberty of starting this thread.

Hope some folks will follow over from the LifeWave thread.

Cheers,
Dave

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Posted: 16 November 2007 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Yay, I hope Anotherone shows up!

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Posted: 16 November 2007 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Anotherone introduced the topic of NAET into the LifeWave thread and I, for one, read about this subject for the first time.

NAET or Nambudripad’S Allergy Elimination Technique, is named after Devi S. Nambudripad, a lady with various letters after her name depending on which web site you read about her.

http://www.naet.com/

Googling NAET brings a wealth of returns, many of which are scathing about the techniques.

http://www.revolutionhealth.com/stories/stories/show/2e229a38bbe81029878b0013725222f6

“Expensive Quackery”

“I attended twice weekly sessions, was obsessive about avoiding the “allergens” I had just been cleared for, and after 4 months...nothing.  Well, nothing results-wise. A negative $1,500 in my checking account.”

http://www.chirobase.org/06DD/naet.html

Stephen Barrett, M.D. and his none too flattering report on NAET previously mentioned over on the LifeWave thread.

An interesting read that includes, in conclusion:

“The Bottom Line

NAET clashes with the concepts of anatomy, physiology, pathology, physics, and allergy accepted by the scientific community.

The story of its “discovery” is highly implausible. Its core diagnostic approach—muscle testing for “allergies”—is senseless and is virtually certain to diagnose nonexistent problems.

Its recommendations for dietary restrictions based on nonexistent food allergies are likely to place the patient at great risk for nutrient deficiency, and, in the case of children, at risk for social problems and the development of eating disorders.

I believe that practitioners who use NAET have such poor judgment that they should not be permitted to remain licensed.

If you encounter a practitioner who relies on the strategies described in this article, please ask the state attorney general to investigate.”

Mmmm?  I wonder if we should be following up with “Anotherone”?

Of course, there’s a section for animals. There always is isn’t there?

http://www.vetnaet.com/

That way the argument used by LifeWave that “animals don’t experience placebo” can be dragged out.

The story about the cat is very interesting. Also VERY interesting is the mention of The Journal of the American Holistic Veterinary Medical Association.

Anyone remember a certain horse veterinarian?

RESPONSIVENESS OF HORSES TO BIOFREQUENCY MODULATION AFTER ACUPUNCTURE PALPATION
By Dr. Lauren DeRock

Published in the Journal of Holistic Veterinary Medicine

Those who do remember that little gem of a study with the LifeWave patches may also remember that the said Journal changed its practice of accepting ANY study for publication after DeRock’s debacle. They now have a Peer Review Board!

The cat study was published in 1998, prior to this change of policy.

“The diagnostic method, human or animal, is Muscle Response Testing (MRT), while the treatment component involves stimulating the spinal nerves via acupressure to re-imprint the brain’s recognition of the allergen.”

Anyone feeling a bit woo woozy yet?

“When used with animals, as with human infants, a human acts as the intermediary between the physician and the patient.

The surrogate extends one arm and places the other hand on the patient. Various substances contained in glass vials are placed on the patient by the surrogate.

While the vial is held against the patient, the practitioner applies downward pressure against the surrogate’s extended arm, meanwhile, the surrogate attempts to resist this pressure.

If a sensitivity to a substance is detected, the arm will go weak and the surrogate will be unable to resist the pressure being applied.

Once the sensitivities are identified, a quick, painless and non-invasive acupressure treatment through the surrogate is used to rebalance the pet’s nervous system response to the identified allergens.”

“...through the surrogate...” That would be the owner of the pet, I presume. No chance of emotional involvement in the outcome there!

Well, that’s more than enough to get the ball rolling.

For those willing/interested, I look forward to your posts.

Dave

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Posted: 17 November 2007 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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NAET

Does it work?

“I spent a year and a half of misery clearing all those things (NAET is hard work) and spent thousands of dollars.

After my last treatment with Lisa I was not feeling well and called her for advice.

She was in a hurry and basically dismissed me. I thought we were “friends” after all that time. But I was obviously wrong, because she has never even called to see if I was O.K.

I never made another appointment. So I guess it was basically just business for her after all. I should know as much by now. Stupid me! I usually always think the best of people.”

http://www.healthdiaries.com/blogs/parentsfault/archives/naet/

“This lady is a Christian so it makes me a little more at ease with this. 

She also said she was very skeptical about it herself when she first saw it but then after trying it she started to realize that it really works.”

http://pluckymama.wordpress.com/2007/11/01/naet-allergy-experience/#comments

http://distanttreating.homestead.com/FreeTreatment.html

Yes folks, this person does distance NAET healing. Now we know it can’t be a scam!

http://distanttreating.homestead.com/CausedByAllergies.html

A list of diseases that can be treated from a distance.

Let’s take just one claim...Alzheimers Disease.

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE JOKING!

They are claiming NAET can treat Alzheimers Disease!

I thought LifeWave patches and the Harmony Chip from Karma Singh were just about the most ridiculous claims to fame out there. I was wrong.

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Posted: 19 November 2007 06:45 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Anotherone

Just use your username to log in and then click on Post Reply to open a window to write your comments.

Looking forward to reading more of your thoughts on NAET.

Dave

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Posted: 19 November 2007 05:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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OK, so we can have the theory we want and all have our opinions..my question is this: a patient comes in to me..12 years old, body covered with eczema for 3 years..I treat her for a sensitvity to eggs..within 48 hours every drop of exczema is gone from her body..or a 45 year old man comes in who cannot eat nuts or beans..after two treatments a lifelong problem of reacting with a swollen tongue to eating lentils is gone and has stayed gone to this day...I will not bore you with 500 examples..but if it works at all what do we do about it? I learned about Naet in 1990 and thought it foolish..once in a while a patient would come in and ask if I can do it and I politely tell them I am not involved with it..in 1997 a woman applies for a job with me..tells me she knows naet..I tell her I will hire her for 2 months..if it works I’ll learn it myself, if not..well, she’s not needed..I send patients to her who all tell me that its great, they feel better in so many ways, but this is just subjective hearsay in my opinion,,until one day she has one of these “miraculous” skin rash conditions go away virtually overnight and I’m in..I never saw anything like it before except for with steroids...can I totally explain it..not really,I have some ideas, but as a clinician what does one do? I can’t explain it so forget it?? No, that’s not fair to my patients..does it work for everyone? No..what does? As for explanations, how many years were aspirins used, for example, when people had no idea of their effect on prostaglandins?  ok, for now..

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Posted: 19 November 2007 06:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Ouch..

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Posted: 19 November 2007 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Anotherone, did you mention scientific studies in the lifewave thread?  Do you know where any are on the internet?  I’d be interested in seeing some.

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Posted: 20 November 2007 02:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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No, I believe I mentioned that regarding muscle testing. However, I willl check journal references in my office regarding NAET. Most likely, they will be “in house” journals, meaning they are articles written by and for people involved with the technique. This is the same unfortunate problem that is often seen in medical journals behoven to the pharmaceutical companies, etc. The major study, which I believe is coming out after this year, as I mentioned is on autism and NAET after year two is concluded. I haven’t gotten any preliminary information about year two, but year one was phenomenal by any measurement. These were privately funded and run through a university in Cal I believe.

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Posted: 20 November 2007 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Anotherone,

“...but as a clinician...”

Are we to take it then that you are a “clinician” in the generally accepted sense?

If so, what is your clinical area and what are your medical qualifications?

Many thanks,
Dave

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Posted: 20 November 2007 07:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Anotherone

“The major study, which I believe is coming out after this year, as I mentioned is on autism and NAET after year two is concluded. I haven’t gotten any preliminary information about year two, but year one was phenomenal by any measurement. These were privately funded and run through a university in Cal I believe.”

I presume this was the study?

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00247156?cond="Hypersensitivity"&rank=44&show_desc=Y#desc

Enrollment:  60
Start Date:  November 2004
Completion Date:  November 2005

I guess results should be available soon?

I was interested to read:

“Study Type:  Interventional
Study Design:  Treatment, Non-Randomized, Open Label, Uncontrolled, Single Group Assignment, Safety/Efficacy Study”

“Sponsored by:  Nambudripad’s Allergy Research Foundation”

You don’t see that as a conflict of interest do you?

Do you have any problems with the design of the so called “study”?

The principle investigator is…

Principal Investigator:  Devi S. Nambudripad, LAc, PhD The journal of NAET Energetics and Complementary Medicine

Mmmm

Anyone smell fish?

Anyone?

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Posted: 20 November 2007 07:55 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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This is probably the trial you meant:

http://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT00277407

Enrollment:  48
Start Date:  June 2006
Completion Date:  May 2007

“Treatment of Autistic Children Using NAET Procedures

This study has been completed.”

You will notice a few details of interest.

“Nambudripad’s Allergy Research Foundation
An anonymous Foundation.”

Not sure what that actually means?

“Locations

United States, California
NAET Pain Clinic
Buena Park, California, United States, 90621

Sponsors and Collaborators

Nambudripad’s Allergy Research Foundation

An anonymous Foundation.

Investigators

Principal Investigator:  Devi S. Nambudripad, DCLAcPhD NAR Foundation”

So, essentially, an in house study performed by the woman who started this whole NAET ball rolling, right?

Thoughts anyone?

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