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Perpetual motion is finally here!
Posted: 05 August 2005 04:48 PM   [ Ignore ]
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According to Russian newspaper Pravda, Russian inventor Vyacheslav Strushchenko has built a perpetual motor.
He has not patented his invention yet so.. heres your chance.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/19/94/379/15849_perpetual.html

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Posted: 05 August 2005 04:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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There’ve been a lot of people who have claimed to have invented the perpetual motor.

Of course, just because none of them have ever worked, doesn’t mean his won’t.
I know which way I’m betting, though.

I note that the entire article is made up of his claims, too, rather than any statements by anyone else…

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Posted: 05 August 2005 05:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Conversion requires energy. Energy does not just magically appear. To get energy from something (such as a perpetual motor) would require input. Total input must equal output plus amount lost during conversion. Perpetual motors aren’t even logical and will never exist. You cannot get something (energy) for nothing (no energy source) and therefore it’s time to move on…

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Posted: 05 August 2005 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Thanks, more-scientific-than-me guy!
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Posted: 05 August 2005 06:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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No problem “Cuter & Feisty-ier” than me girlie…

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Posted: 05 August 2005 07:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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“Vyacheslav Strushchenko decided to invent a magnetic motor in 1975. The inventor read more than a hundred books to gain necessary knowledge.”

It’s a pity none of them were about physics.

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Posted: 05 August 2005 08:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Mark-N-Jen - 05 August 2005 09:51 PM

Conversion requires energy. Energy does not just magically appear. To get energy from something (such as a perpetual motor) would require input. Total input must equal output plus amount lost during conversion. Perpetual motors aren’t even logical and will never exist. You cannot get something (energy) for nothing (no energy source) and therefore it’s time to move on…

Not to be picky (not me), but what you’re describing is an ‘over-unity’ generator. Some perpetual motion machines have been dreamed up by reputable physicists; I’m thinking of Richard Feynman’s “Brownian Rachet” and John Walker’s “Cosmic Background Engine”. While these are not ‘perpetual’ in the true “something for nothing” sense, most of these (theoretically) operate by extracting work from an effectively limitless free energy source (zero-point energy, brownian motion, cosmic background radiation). A sort of “something for something-else-no-one-wanted” scenario.

As even the USPTO won’t patent an over-unity device (it’s therefore literally ‘patently absurd’), so most of the modern perpetual motion scams claim to be tapping a ‘hitherto unknown/inaccessible/inefficient’ energy source to power their McGuffins.

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Posted: 05 August 2005 08:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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David B. - 06 August 2005 12:22 AM
Mark-N-Jen - 05 August 2005 09:51 PM

Conversion requires energy. Energy does not just magically appear. To get energy from something (such as a perpetual motor) would require input. Total input must equal output plus amount lost during conversion. Perpetual motors aren’t even logical and will never exist. You cannot get something (energy) for nothing (no energy source) and therefore it’s time to move on…

Not to be picky (not me), but what you’re describing is an ‘over-unity’ generator. Some perpetual motion machines have been dreamed up by reputable physicists; I’m thinking of Richard Feynman’s “Brownian Rachet” and John Walker’s “Cosmic Background Engine”. While these are not ‘perpetual’ in the true “something for nothing” sense, most of these (theoretically) operate by extracting work from an effectively limitless free energy source (zero-point energy, brownian motion, cosmic background radiation). A sort of “something for something-else-no-one-wanted” scenario.

As even the USPTO won’t patent an over-unity device (it’s therefore literally ‘patently absurd’), so most of the modern perpetual motion scams claim to be tapping a ‘hitherto unknown/inaccessible/inefficient’ energy source to power their McGuffins.


And not to be picky here… but like you said…

“While these are not

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Posted: 05 August 2005 09:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Perpetual does not mean ‘something for nothing’ though. A perpetual motor is one that runs forever (or at least as long as there is a universe for it to run in). Thought-experiment machines based on cosmic background radiation, Casimir effects, artificial singularities, and all that normal ‘Star Trek’ fare qualify both as perpetual and physically possible.

On a different tack. I once saw a fantastic machine whereby a convoluted glass tube filled with mercury, mounted on a disc, ran through a small array of carefully positioned permanent magnets. The demonstrator (it might have been Johnny Ball on the BBC’s “Think of a Number” program) would place the device on a table, gently release the brake resting against the axle, and after a few seconds the thing would start to spin on its own. The trick was to work out why.

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Posted: 20 August 2005 08:14 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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There’s always this guy. I’ve been trying to figure him out for a while.

Not perpetual motion, but close.

http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/magneticDev/finsrud/finsrud.htm

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Posted: 01 September 2005 09:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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It’s the attitude of most intellectuals that the law of thermodynamics can’t be broken so don’t even bother trying to create a perpetual motion machine!

They say it’s impossible so don’t even try etc… Your branded a crackpot if you do try. It’s this attitude which stiffles creative thinking and experimenting to find ways
to circumvent this law.. You have to put energy in to get energy out. True, but what about the energy or forces that exist and are all around us? Gravity for one is a continuing force that will drive an object with mass continually downwards.. Tapping into these energies could provide the answer. An inventor by the name of Bessler created a wheel in the 18th century which was powered by weights & gravity. It was very well tested & documented. This machine apparantly worked and it could do work. References can be found on the web. Just google “Bessler wheel”. Although his trade secret went with him to his grave, the amount of people who witnessed and verified the machine cannot be dismissed.

What I am saying is that If you think & believe that something is impossible then.. IT IS! But most and nearly all laws of motion, thermodynamics have been derived
by experimentation, trials, and THEORY! Open your mind to the possibilities and challenge the norm. This is the only way new theories & laws can be explored. Don’t say it’s impossible. Say it could be. You just have to find the right methods!

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Posted: 02 September 2005 09:20 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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SeaWasp - 02 September 2005 01:51 AM

It’s the attitude of most intellectuals that the law of thermodynamics can’t be broken so don’t even bother trying to create a perpetual motion machine!

really? they say dont even bother to try?

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