http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_temple_ceiling.jpg

andymonk - 12 January 2008 05:50 PM

I showed my father this image today. When he saw it,he nearly fell off his chair. He told me that the pattern in the centre circle is found in the middle of all masonic temple ceilings(Well.......all the masonic temples he has visited in his 40 years as a freemason). Maybe we`re being told something. Does anybody have an opinion on crop circles?  http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/Flower%20of%20lifce%20crop%20circle.jpg

An image which, amazingly enough, isn’t actually the same as your FoL.

andymonk - 12 January 2008 06:11 PM

I can assure you that is not the temple ceiling.

The fact that it’s covered in huge gilded Masonic symbols sort of gives it away. . .

David B. - 12 January 2008 06:13 PM

http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_temple_ceiling.jpg

andymonk - 13 January 2008 10:37 AM

David B. - 12 January 2008 06:13 PM

http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_temple_ceiling.jpg

That is certainly a masonic building but it is not the ceiling of the temple.

It’s labeled as being the ceiling of a Masonic temple.  It has Masonic symbols all over it.  What special information do you have showing that it’s not a Masonic temple ceiling?

And let’s look at some other Masonic temple ceilings, shall we?

Ceiling 1
Ceiling 2
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I’m noting an amazing lack of anything resembling your FoL anywhere in any Masonic temple I’ve seen pictures of, and not just on the ceilings.  Can you show us even one, anywhere?  Or better yet, can you show us any common Masonic symbol that incorporates the FoL?  After all, if the Masons are heavily influenced by the symbology of the FoL, you’d think that their symbology would show something of the FoL, right?  So show us that.  And sorry, but we’ve already seen that the symbol with the “G” under the compass does not fit your FoL.

A number of them do resemble the Complete Flower of Uncertainty though.

Accipiter - 13 January 2008 01:03 PM

andymonk - 13 January 2008 10:37 AM

David B. - 12 January 2008 06:13 PM

http://www.cephasministry.com/masonic_temple_ceiling.jpg

That is certainly a masonic building but it is not the ceiling of the temple.

It’s labeled as being the ceiling of a Masonic temple.  It has Masonic symbols all over it.  What special information do you have showing that it’s not a Masonic temple ceiling?

And let’s look at some other Masonic temple ceilings, shall we?

Ceiling 1
Ceiling 2
Ceiling 3
Ceiling 4
Ceiling 5
Ceiling 6
Ceiling 7
Ceiling 8
Ceiling 9
Ceiling 10
Ceiling 11
Ceiling 12
Ceiling 13
Ceiling 14
Ceiling 15
Ceiling 16
Ceiling 17
Ceiling 18
Ceiling 19
Ceiling 20
Ceiling 21
Ceiling 22
Ceiling 23
Ceiling 24
Ceiling 25
Ceiling 26
Ceiling 27
Ceiling 28
Ceiling 29
Ceiling 30

I’m noting an amazing lack of anything resembling your FoL anywhere in any Masonic temple I’ve seen pictures of, and not just on the ceilings.  Can you show us even one, anywhere?  Or better yet, can you show us any common Masonic symbol that incorporates the FoL?  After all, if the Masons are heavily influenced by the symbology of the FoL, you’d think that their symbology would show something of the FoL, right?  So show us that.  And sorry, but we’ve already seen that the symbol with the “G” under the compass does not fit your FoL.

None of your images are of the temple. In any masonic temple,the first thing you will see is the two pillars of jachin and boaz.

andymonk - 13 January 2008 04:09 PM

None of your images are of the temple. In any masonic temple,the first thing you will see is the two pillars of jachin and boaz.

*sigh*
Those images are of various temples.
Also, the fact that the photos aren’t of the first thing one would see when entering a temple bears no relation to anything.

andymonk - 13 January 2008 04:09 PM

None of your images are of the temple. In any masonic temple,the first thing you will see is the two pillars of jachin and boaz.

The Masonic Temple of Philidelphia is not a Masonic temple?  The Masonic Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania will be most surprised to hear that, especially after having installed a nice bronze plaque on the building declaring it to be Masonic temple.  But what would they know about Masonic ritual and stuff like that, they’re only Masons. 

The pillars can be sitting anywhere in the building.  They don’t have to be right there in front of everything.

So here’s how it is.  One possibility is that millions of people have spent over a century in the erroneous belief that the building called the Masonic Temple in Philadelphia is a Masonic temple.  Among these mistaken people are all of the Masons who have been going there for day after day, as well as countless tourists, the city officials, researchers, and other people.

The other possibility is that just you are wrong, and that the building in many of those pictures I linked to is indeed a Masonic temple.

Which do you think is the most likely of those two possibilities?

And you have yet to show anything relating to the Masons and the FoL.

Accipiter - 13 January 2008 04:18 PM

andymonk - 13 January 2008 04:09 PM

None of your images are of the temple. In any masonic temple,the first thing you will see is the two pillars of jachin and boaz.

The Masonic Temple of Philidelphia is not a Masonic temple?  The Masonic Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania will be most surprised to hear that, especially after having installed a nice bronze plaque on the building declaring it to be Masonic temple.  But what would they know about Masonic ritual and stuff like that, they’re only Masons. 

The pillars can be sitting anywhere in the building.  They don’t have to be right there in front of everything.

So here’s how it is.  One possibility is that millions of people have spent over a century in the erroneous belief that the building called the Masonic Temple in Philadelphia is a Masonic temple.  Among these mistaken people are all of the Masons who have been going there for day after day, as well as countless tourists, the city officials, researchers, and other people.

The other possibility is that just you are wrong, and that the building in many of those pictures I linked to is indeed a Masonic temple.

Which do you think is the most likely of those two possibilities?

And you have yet to show anything relating to the Masons and the FoL.

Yes,it is called a masonic temple but the actual temple for rituals and initiations is inside that building. Sorry,maybe i could have made things clearer to start with. The FOL is a very secret and sacred symbol within freemasonry and does not get seen outside the inner temple. I was supprised to find this article about the vesica piscis and the triquetra. The vesica piscis is the first two interlocking circles of the flower of life. The triquetra is the first three interlocking circles of the FOL. You continue to spiral out from here to create the Fol and on again to create the CFOL. http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/divine_proportion.html

andymonk - 14 January 2008 01:52 PM

Yes,it is called a masonic temple but the actual temple for rituals and initiations is inside that building.

Pictures 3, 15, 16, 17, 18, and 19 above are of the Renaissance Hall, where they have “Conferring of both Chapter and Blue Lodge Degrees” (according to their own website).

The FOL is a very secret and sacred symbol within freemasonry and does not get seen outside the inner temple.

And yet you know about it.

I was supprised to find this article about the vesica piscis and the triquetra.

An article which says nothing about the FoL, much less attributes mystical properties to anything.

The vesica piscis is the first two interlocking circles of the flower of life. The triquetra is the first three interlocking circles of the FOL.

They can be.  But they aren’t always.  Such as on that webpage.  That webpage has nothing about the FoL.  Just about the properties of circles.

You continue to spiral out from here to create the Fol and on again to create the CFOL.

But they don’t.

Besides, what does it matter if some part of your FoL is a “secret and sacred symbol” among any group?  There are thousands of such things, perhaps millions, most of them (like your basic FoL) being simple and basic geometric shapes that are pretty much certain to be stumbled across by people just doodling because of their basic simplicity.  Any basic shape you make is going to be the same as or very similar to some sacred symbol somewhere.  There are lots and lots and lots of sacred symbols.  You have yet to show us anything that even gives the slightest hint that your FoL is at all special.

Perhaps the Complete Flower of Life is just a disguise for the much more symbolically powerful triquetra? In which case the CFoL might seem important to the ill informed uninitiates, while the more knowing acolytes would observe the hidden symbol with a quiet smile.

Clearly, everywhere you supposedly find the CFoL, what you are actually seeing is a mosaic of overlapping triquetras. So even you you could provide proof the CFoL was special (apparently not), you can’t prove that it’s not special only because it’s made out of triquetras.