Tim4848 - 11 October 2007 03:53 AM

I did not have a heart when I first made my body, I came over on a ship called sperm energy, and I will leave a little different than that, and not a clue at our old standards, what I should do then.

You had no intelligent thoughts either[*]. Nor did ‘you’ come over in/as a sperm, half of ‘you’ was in the egg to begin with. Rather than a stream of consciousness approach, can you put a bit of thought into your arguments?

My plan is to get success, just like an oil well that shoots through the sky, until it is plugged, and then get to work on what problems that might come up.

Apparently not. Okay, I’ll bite.

Your plan appears to be (a) drill a hole in the ground, (b) strike oil, (c) profit! But this is not how people go about drilling for oil, they start with in depth surveys, using geology, paleontology and state of the art equipment to identify where to start drilling. It’s not just a case of pick a likely looking spot and set to with the big rig.

This is ‘cargo cult’ science, you’re going through the motions of what you’ve seen scientists do without really understanding why.

Observation. Hypothesis. Prediction. Confirmation. Repeat.

Do your background work and identify your ground quantitatively. Then you can think about cutting your first foot of hole!

[* No change there, then. ]

that is a new one, I have never been called that before, and you sound so good too, but that is only one Branch of a paradigm that goes on with this topic, you can attack me, but you can not attack my idea. Please feel free to attack my idea if you would like, and please go into the science detail why it is not possible.

Please stand next to a lake and explain everything that is under that water, with out really seeing it.

We know that energy can not be destroyed, regardless what you want to call it, and we know that science does not know what is inside energy to this day, they can only assume as you are doing in this post.

I am a sponge as you are, I am willing to give you a chance to be a part of this possibility, like a good chess game, always working toward a truth, as of today, my truth is as good as anybody Else’s, but I can show you how we can find the truth of mine, and you ignore the possibility, even though you know it has never been tried before, and we do not know one way or another at this time, so regardless what all those meet names about me might say, please stay on the idea of the topic.

Please fill free to imagine from your right brain and stop thinking, because that is hurting your chances to truly understand this possibility.

Sure we can do it through the left brain as well, but it is so boring.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,

Tim

you can attack me, but you can not attack my idea.

Actually, I did attack your idea. I called it ‘cargo cult’ science, mimicking the processes of science but with no real scientific content.

Please stand next to a lake and explain everything that is under that water, with out really seeing it.

I can think of about half a dozen ways of doing this, of greater and lesser accuracy.

Sadly, imagining the lake is full of magic, wish granting leprechauns, then running about trying to drum up interest in superconducting quantum interference devices because I think they have a good chance of detecting these leprechauns, isn’t one of them.

Dear David,

What can I do to make you happy about this topic, not me?

Would you like this possibility or not?

I believe I know how we can do this idea of communicating with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured on the Internet, and I know how we can do it for free.

So what have you been up to David?

Tim4848 - 01 December 2007 03:15 AM

Would you like this possibility or not?

Would I like to be trapped on a desert island with a crate of viagra and the complete line-up of Girls Aloud? Yes.

Does this make it a realistic proposition? Not unless certain plans of mine come to fruition, er… I mean, No.

I believe I know how we can do this idea of communicating with future out of body afterlife people in a way that can be measured on the Internet, and I know how we can do it for free.

Er, yup, you definitely believe that. Believe it very strongly. Believe, believe, believe; there’s you believing it.

If I believed a man could fly, due - say - to quantum juxtaposition of higher wave states in your lower thorassic vertabrae, I’m sure some people would find that very interesting too. Of course if I were asked to provide a bit of rational basis for that belief I might be in a bit of trouble, but hey, I know how we could test it on the internet for free[*] so who cares?

So what have you been up to David?

Oh, same ol’! Trying to migrate business critical data against impossible deadlines.[**] Switched my home PCs from Suse Linux to Ubuntu. Read some more sciencey stuff. Thanks for asking.

[* Point webcam out of window. Jump from roof above window. Leave instructions to post resulting video to YouTube.]

[** Yes, I know, what am I doing on MOH then?!]

Just read this entire thread, and was wondering.  Now, being a truck driver, i often sleep in my truck, and have to wake up at a certain time (to keep appointments and such).  I have noticed that i often have the ability to wake up at a desired time without the alarm clock ringing.  I am usually awake in the 5 minute range before it goes off.
  This has only happen to me since I died and was brought back to life, I have no record of it happening to me prior to that.  I should mention that I was 11 when that happen, and am now 46.
  Does this qualify to win the Million dollar award?  Does it prove that something happen to me while I was dead?  Or, am I actually having an OBE, or and SOBE and only thinking I am asleep and dreaming?
  I do know that one time, I thought of my wife, and when I awoke I was beside her.  Oh, but that doesn

itsdave92570 - 04 December 2007 10:51 AM

I have noticed that i often have the ability to wake up at a desired time without the alarm clock ringing.  I am usually awake in the 5 minute range before it goes off.
This has only happen to me since I died and was brought back to life, I have no record of it happening to me prior to that.

I used to do that too (now I’m so tired I can’t even wake up 5 minutes after the alarm goes off), but I’ve never died and been brought back to life.

Does this qualify to win the Million dollar award?  Does it prove that something happen to me while I was dead?

No, and no. It is well documented that human beings have both an internal clock and an internal alarm clock (Psychology Today), so your experience would probably not count as supernatural. And given that there is a perfectly adequate and mudane explanation, it’s not proof of your OBE (not that it’s evidence against it either).

[quote author=“David B.” date=“1196794968]

It is well documented that human beings have both an internal clock and an internal alarm clock (Psychology Today), so your experience would probably not count as supernatural. And given that there is a perfectly adequate and mudane explanation, it’s not proof of your OBE (not that it’s evidence against it either).

Thank You! you have educated me, i never knew that humans had an internal alarm clock, or that it was wide enough spread that they could document it.  Now, if only i could get some of my kids to use theirs….

itsdave92570 - 04 December 2007 10:51 AM

I have noticed that i often have the ability to wake up at a desired time without the alarm clock ringing.  I am usually awake in the 5 minute range before it goes off.
  This has only happen to me since I died and was brought back to life, I have no record of it happening to me prior to that.  I should mention that I was 11 when that happen, and am now 46.
  Does this qualify to win the Million dollar award?  Does it prove that something happen to me while I was dead?  Or, am I actually having an OBE, or and SOBE and only thinking I am asleep and dreaming?

The problem with that is you knew when you were supposed to wake up.  If you were to wake up consistently within five minutes before an alarm clock goes off in another room that was set to some unknown random time by another person, that would be impressive.

The only clock we are wasting is the one that saids my idea is as possible now, than it ever had at any point in history, and we really need to start looking out of the box at the possibility, regardless how many people put down the opportunity with no facts to back it up.

Thank you for reading my thoughts,
Tim

Tim4848 - 09 December 2007 02:34 AM

The only clock we are wasting is the one that saids my idea is as possible now, than it ever had at any point in history,

Are you saying your biological clock is ticking?

and we really need to start looking out of the box at the possibility, regardless how many people put down the opportunity with no facts to back it up.

Yes, I would say, all things considered, that this is definitely “the opportunity with no facts to back it up”. In fact I would go so far as to say this is the heart of the problem.