I seek to find data from science that can’t disagree with my idea- if you can’t do it your theory must be correct.
It can’t be this easy, can it? We already know that science can’t disagree with it.
No, it can’t be that easy, Tim.
Everyone with a theory hopes that science can’t disagree with it. But science is about proving. It shows that something can be done, shows set steps of how it is done and achieved and then can reproduce the results time and time again, every time, using those steps.
Just because science “can’t disagree” with you doesn’t mean that it “can agree” with you. You have to prove that it agrees with you and will agree with you every time the experiment is done.
But it’s been many, many years since my high school (and some college) science classes so I’ll let those more qualified handle things from here.
If you’re trying to prove the unproveable, then the scientific method of looking for disagreements probably isn’t such a good idea
Thank you, Renquist.
Got any suggestions on the best way to get results?
Researchers have found a way to trigger what is known as an “out-of-body experience”, in which people feel that they float out of their bodies and can view themselves from a distance.
Participants wore virtual reality goggles showing a live image of themselves filmed from behind.
The scientists also touched their volunteers both physically and virtually.
This combination caused the participants to feel they had left their physical bodies and actually moved to the virtual ones they were viewing on their goggles.
So complete was the sense of immersion the volunteers experienced fear when their virtual selves were threatened physically.
Researchers have found a way to trigger what is known as an “out-of-body experience”, in which people feel that they float out of their bodies and can view themselves from a distance.
Participants wore virtual reality goggles showing a live image of themselves filmed from behind.
The scientists also touched their volunteers both physically and virtually.
This combination caused the participants to feel they had left their physical bodies and actually moved to the virtual ones they were viewing on their goggles.
So complete was the sense of immersion the volunteers experienced fear when their virtual selves were threatened physically.
Supposedly being the key word. The OBE is in the perception only. it is not real. If they had managed to simulate an OBE with the subjects experience being somewhere totally different that would be closer to what Tim is trying to prove.
I heard a couple of weeks ago that science was able to trick the brain into having an out of body experience.
Is this not any different than tricking a woman into thinking she is pregnant, because you know he is quite capable of having babies?
Umm, what? Actually it is very different. Tricking a woman into thinking she is pregnant by giving her a fake pregnancy test, or having a doctor tell her she is could work, but when she fails to start growing a belly, she’s going to catch on. To get the kind of “trick” that they used to perform this experiment, you would basically have to cut the woman open, install a “simulated foetus” that would grow, kick and act just like a baby until eventually she would “give birth” to it. If you want to go that far, gross as it is, then yes, I suppose you could say the two are very similar. Note that this trick would likely also convince a woman who previously knew she was sterile or had her ovaries removed that she was pregnant though, since she pretty much is once you go to these lengths, even if it isn’t a real baby. So even if a woman couldn’t become pregnant, a “trick” of this magnitude would probably convince her she was… Heck, if you did this to a man, he would likely believe he was pregnant too! Your correlation is not valid, unfortunately.
What they basically did was use virtual-reality goggles to make people think they were looking at themselves sitting in front of them, and then used touches to their physical bodies timed the same as images of the mannequin being touched to create the illusion that they were, indeed looking at themselves.
In essence, this only proves that technology can convince you that something real isn’t, and tends to point to OBEs being more an effect of the senses being scrambled, or mixed brain signals. It doesn’t imply you are really capable of having an OBE in any way, shape or form, it only proves that you are capable of having your perception distorted by visual and physical stimuli, something that people who have taken LSD probably have known for years. If you actually are looking at yourself, and you’re being stimulated as if you were, then it would be normal to have the “sensation that you are looking at yourself”. All it proves is that you can trick the mind, and that you are capable of percieving yourself being “out of your body” without actually being out of your body.
Perhaps you missed this part of their findings:
The findings suggest there may be a scientific explanation for out-of-body experiences, which are often thought of as delusional or paranormal.
I’d also like to point out that you could probably use a similar experiment to make someone believe that you had cut out their heart and they kept on living for a day without any kind of life support. It would require a different “virtual” setup, and would cost a lot, but it is conceivable to do. This doesn’t mean that you can actually live if your heart is removed from your body for a day without being hooked up to some kind of machinery.
I did not have a heart when I first made my body, I came over on a ship called sperm energy, and I will leave a little different than that, and not a clue at our old standards, what I should do then.
My plan is to get success, just like an oil well that shoots through the sky, until it is plugged, and then get to work on what problems that might come up.
My goal at this point is to get the journey started, then keep playing out different possibilities until we make the best one work. Sure we could try this, and sure we could try that, but my idea covers everything from start to finish, with even a few surprises along the way.
We have parades for everything under the sun, I see one day when this topic will have it’s own parade, celebrating every one in ten, who had the opportunity to help with this topic, by coming out of the closet and talking more on this topic.
Has anybody out there besides me, had a near death experience, and just woke up out side their body, and still felt for the most part, they were of sound mind?
Regardless how you feel about this topic, we owe it to every potential or future potential out of body afterlife person.
Do you see the value in this possibility in the future?
It feels good to come back and visit this topic here, because I got to interact with a lot of grat people back then, and I like to think that they are still around.
We decided a while ago on this site, that Ii can not produce evidence with out the support of others, and that I could not get that, until I could prove it on my own,it is kind of like that experience where you can’t get a job, until you have experience, so the only way you could do that was pay to get it. That might be a good idea in some cases, but not in this topic, this one is easy, and all we have to do is ask the patients if they would like to give it a try.
Imagined a person died today, what options does that person have to communicate with us, if we have nothing in place for them to do so. Is this not setting somebody up to fail?
Sure there are a lot of things in this world that we do not know, but in this field we do know there might be a possibility, and since we can’t find out the solution with out a trained patient, this is the best option out there.
We have the equipment, we have the patients, and we have more options now, than we have ever had at any point in our history, so why not set it up to be tried?
