Dear Hulitoons, I’m sorry to hear about your mother.
I am 48 and both my parents are still alive, so I do not know anything about the situation you went through.
When I woke up by the ceiling in my OBE, I never went back to sleep until I went to bed that night. I lived through the experience of going back into my body. The experience was like that of getting a root canel, but I was more than willing to experience it, since I did have the opportunity to get back into my body. and I am more than willing to take it as slow as I must, if that gets better results.
It’s funny that you bring up the straight line thing, because they talked about that tonight at my daughters school function.
I use to look at things that way at one time, but now I try and look at it from all type of directions, seeing it from so many different perspectives, then I even run it through my right brain, and maybe even sleep on it, but yes the ultimate goal is to get to B.
I try and look at every problem as though I have all the resources before me, and even though I see a close connection with machines like BrainGate, I really don’t have that resources, so I can only speculate at this point. I do not like to assume, and I would like the opportunity to have access to this possibility, so we all can see if there truly is a B or not.
If I came back from a near death experience and found I loved maths I’d kill myself properly.
Anyway, how does an eighteen month old child tell you if it had a ‘dark’ near death experience as opposed to a ‘bright light’ one?
Furthermore, I’ve known a lot of really, really smart kids, and there is no way they’ve had near death experiences. Ever. Sounds like dubious research to me.
From the article Tim mentions above. “There is a pattern of psychological and physiological changes after an NDE. These can be incredible. For example, the average near-death experiencer is without vital signs for between five to twenty minutes, but it’s not unusual to find this extending for an hour or more. It is not exceptional for people to revive in the morgue. Yet, no matter how long they are deprived of oxygen and the heart is not beating, these people literally come back smarter than they were before.
“Whether they have extreme or partial intellect enhancement, they invariably come back as creative intuitives and creative problem solvers. I call the near-death experience a brain shift. This is why I want before and after brain scans. If we can establish clinically that the NDE changes the structure of the brain it will be a tremendous discovery.
“As far as I’m concerned the after effects of an NDE are what validate the experience. You cannot talk about the experience without talking about the after effects.”
There are also very many more people that come out of a situation like that with limited or no brain function. Apparently she doesn’t think those are aftereffects. I would really question her conclusions. Early childhood is probably the time in life when we learn the fastest and absorb more of what is going on around us than any other period of our lives. To someone who is looking for specific data it might appear that intelligence jumps dramatically during this period of time. I also question how you know if someone who doesn’t even understand the meanings of life and death can have a NDE and even specify if it is dark or light.
From the article Tim mentions above. “There is a pattern of psychological and physiological changes after an NDE. These can be incredible. For example, the average near-death experiencer is without vital signs for between five to twenty minutes, but it’s not unusual to find this extending for an hour or more. It is not exceptional for people to revive in the morgue. Yet, no matter how long they are deprived of oxygen and the heart is not beating, these people literally come back smarter than they were before.
“Whether they have extreme or partial intellect enhancement, they invariably come back as creative intuitives and creative problem solvers. I call the near-death experience a brain shift. This is why I want before and after brain scans. If we can establish clinically that the NDE changes the structure of the brain it will be a tremendous discovery.
“As far as I’m concerned the after effects of an NDE are what validate the experience. You cannot talk about the experience without talking about the after effects.”
There are also very many more people that come out of a situation like that with limited or no brain function. Apparently she doesn’t think those are aftereffects. I would really question her conclusions. Early childhood is probably the time in life when we learn the fastest and absorb more of what is going on around us than any other period of our lives. To someone who is looking for specific data it might appear that intelligence jumps dramatically during this period of time. I also question how you know if someone who doesn’t even understand the meanings of life and death can have a NDE and even specify if it is dark or light.
When some of them are 18 months old I find it hard to believe they could even tell you if they knew the difference.
That’s the danger of going into an experiment with no control subjects specifically looking to prove something, not to discover something. You’ll warp the conclusions to support you.
——- Original Message——-From: Jeff Wagg, James Randi Educational Foundation
To: Tim Brewer ; Alison Smith
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Communications
I don’t know what “advance thinking and action driven electrical thought out of body afterlife people” is or are.
Are you saying you can make the contact buzzer work without touching it?
Jeff Wagg
JREF
On 5/20/07, Tim Brewer
wrote:Dear Jeff Wagg,
It is not a buzzer, but a light that comes on, and that is only because I have only tried it with a light, but I suppose you could set it up to be used with a buzzer as well, and yes, I have had it work before, I just didn’t think you were concerned about past events with my experiments, so I tried not to bring that up.Science base their input in the fact that energy can not be made, destroyed, it can only change form, so with that being the case. I want to prove that humans after they die, do have the ability to contact us through devises like this, but it can only work if we can educate them first on this possibility. I once watched one of your challenges were a man tried to prove that he could alter a compass with thought alone, I would like to think my challenge is better, just because it is based on the fact that I do not even have to be anywhere near the machine when it works the way I say it will work. I would like the opportunity to have a monitor near by, only as a way to continue to send messages to the afterlife, as instructional information only.
Please feel free to ask more questions if you would like. Thank you,Tim
I’m not accepting anything, I just wanted to be clear on what your claim was. You may apply now, and if you meet the criteria, your claim will be accepted.
Jeff Wagg
JREF
Thank you Jeff Wagg, I appreciate your help in this matter, and now I will start getting things in order to be in a position to meet the criteria, and the challenge as well. Thank you,Tim
I’m sorry I did not get to respond to past replies.
I am also checking to make sure my device does not have a short in it.
I will probably have to buy another device like that.
maybe I should have a total of three, with all of them expecting to go off during a curtain time frame.
My goal is not to try this experiment unless I am awful sure it could work.
My ultimate goal is to bring awareness that this possibility has not been explored enough at this time in our evolution, not that I could be right, or that I could be wrong, but that I feel we have not done enough, and that we should.
Thank you for letting me express my thoughts,
Tim
