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The Illuminati’s Divide and Conquer DESTROYED!
Posted: 26 December 2006 07:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Smerk - 26 December 2006 07:29 PM

Sorry, merging two threads again.  I think I’ve fudged it slightly

Boo’s right.  The merge thread thing is confusing…The first post in the thread is the only new thing.

Yes you lost my last post that you merge also, why merge things?

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Posted: 26 December 2006 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 46 ]
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The Illuminati’s Divide and Conquer DESTROYED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWF2d2BI5JI


The Illuminati use the principle of divide and conquer to control and enslave the people of the world. They do this by exploiting the fundamental illusion overcoming all of us. That illusion is the false identification of our real self [the soul] with the material body. By thinking we are a product of matter we are all entrapped by bodily destinations of black, white, American, Russian, Muslim, Christian, Jew etc. In this illusory consciousness we are easily divided and conquered.

In this video His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Prabhupada explains that this fundamental illusion of false consciousness has to be clear out then we can come to our original consciousness, Krishna Consciousness.

Therefore we can see why Prabhupada and the ancient Vedic message he presents is so dangerous to the Illuminati demons of this world. Not only does Prabhupada present the Vedic knowledge AS IT IS but he gives the practical process by which we can transcend all illusions of the Matrix. As soon as our false identification with the material body is over the Illuminati’s power over us is FINISHED. And their ability to divide and conquer is truly DESTROYED!

I urge you to read the original writings of Prabhupada and you will perceive the real illuminating knowledge of the Supreme Lord Sri Krishna revealed to you. Even a slight glimpse of this knowledge will free you from so much darkness of illusion, just as a slight rising of the sun dissipates the darkness of night. The light of speculative glow-worms such as David Icke, who can never actually light up the dark sky of Illuminati ignorance, will also be realized by you as insignificant.


http://www.prabhupada.org.uk/

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Posted: 26 December 2006 07:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 47 ]
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Because all the new posts you’re doing are actually on the same topic.

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Posted: 26 December 2006 08:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 48 ]
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Smerk - 26 December 2006 07:40 PM

Because all the new posts you’re doing are actually on the same topic.

No there not.

Well you may as well merge all the threads in this section of the forum in to one big thread.

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Posted: 27 December 2006 06:27 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 49 ]
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You keep posting near-identical threads on Prabhupada and how the Illuminati are ‘controlling’ us. Hence they will be merged. Perhaps you should answer people’s questions as to details in your posts, instead of opening new topics.

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Posted: 27 December 2006 01:12 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 50 ]
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Mukunda dasa - 26 December 2006 07:27 PM

In human society there must be a proper balance between spirit and matter. . .as long as we have these bodies we have to accept the bodily necessities of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. . .

So then the material world and our bodies are important, and we need to look after them and take care of them.  As you said, it’s balance between matter and spirit, not the complete renunciation of one or the other.  So what needs to be done to take care of the body should be done, right?  Even if that includes, for example, killing animals to feed your body when needed?

Suppose one merely washes one’s coat but does not take care of one’s body.

Suppose one merely washes one’s body but does not take care of one’s coat.  Not only would that person be rather smelly and unpleasant to be around, but he’ll catch a chill and die of pneumonia.

Or suppose one has a bird in a cage but merely takes care of the cage, not the bird within it.

Or suppose one has a bird in a cage but merely takes care of the bird, not the cage, and so the cage is in poor shape and the cat can get in and eat the bird.

So why are we unhappy? In the Western countries there is no scarcity of wealth, no scarcity of food, no scarcity of cars, and no scarcity of sex. Everything is available in full abundance. Then why is there still a section of people who are frustrated and confused, like the hippies? They are not satisfied. Why? Because there is no balance. We are taking care of the necessities of the body, but we have no information of the soul and its necessities. The soul is the real substance, and the body is only a covering.

But there are also plenty of people who are quite happy taking care of their “necessities of the body”.  Nor is everybody in non-Western countries happy.

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Posted: 29 December 2006 09:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 51 ]
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Accipiter - 27 December 2006 01:12 PM
Mukunda dasa - 26 December 2006 07:27 PM

In human society there must be a proper balance between spirit and matter. . .as long as we have these bodies we have to accept the bodily necessities of eating, sleeping, mating, and defending. . .

So then the material world and our bodies are important, and we need to look after them and take care of them.  As you said, it’s balance between matter and spirit, not the complete renunciation of one or the other.  So what needs to be done to take care of the body should be done, right?  Even if that includes, for example, killing animals to feed your body when needed?

Suppose one merely washes one’s coat but does not take care of one’s body.

Suppose one merely washes one’s body but does not take care of one’s coat.  Not only would that person be rather smelly and unpleasant to be around, but he’ll catch a chill and die of pneumonia.

Or suppose one has a bird in a cage but merely takes care of the cage, not the bird within it.

Or suppose one has a bird in a cage but merely takes care of the bird, not the cage, and so the cage is in poor shape and the cat can get in and eat the bird.

So why are we unhappy? In the Western countries there is no scarcity of wealth, no scarcity of food, no scarcity of cars, and no scarcity of sex. Everything is available in full abundance. Then why is there still a section of people who are frustrated and confused, like the hippies? They are not satisfied. Why? Because there is no balance. We are taking care of the necessities of the body, but we have no information of the soul and its necessities. The soul is the real substance, and the body is only a covering.

But there are also plenty of people who are quite happy taking care of their “necessities of the body”.  Nor is everybody in non-Western countries happy.

Because foolish people have no information of the soul and how it is beyond the purview of the body and mind, they are not satisfied in the performance of their occupational duties. The question of the satisfaction of the self is raised herein. The self is beyond the gross body and subtle mind. He is the potent active principle of the body and mind. Without knowing the need of the dormant soul, one cannot be happy simply with emolument of the body and mind. The body and the mind are but superfluous outer coverings of the spirit soul. The spirit soul’s needs must be fulfilled. Simply by cleansing the cage of the bird, one does not satisfy the bird. One must actually know the needs of the bird himself.
  The need of the spirit soul is that he wants to get out of the limited sphere of material bondage and fulfill his desire for complete freedom. He wants to get out of the covered walls of the greater universe. He wants to see the free light and the spirit. That complete freedom is achieved when he meets the complete spirit, the Personality of Godhead. There is a dormant affection for God within everyone; spiritual existence is manifested through the gross body and mind in the form of perverted affection for gross and subtle matter. Therefore we have to engage ourselves in occupational engagements that will evoke our divine consciousness. This is possible only by hearing and chanting the divine activities of the Supreme Lord, and any occupational activity which does not help one to achieve attachment for hearing and chanting the transcendental message of Godhead is said herein to be simply a waste of time.

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Posted: 29 December 2006 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 52 ]
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Because foolish people have no information of the soul and how it is beyond the purview of the body and mind…,

If it’s beyond the purview of the body and mind, how do you know it exists?  What are you using to detect this soul?

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Posted: 29 December 2006 02:03 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 53 ]
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Mukunda dasa - 29 December 2006 09:47 AM

This is possible only by hearing and chanting the divine activities of the Supreme Lord, and any occupational activity which does not help one to achieve attachment for hearing and chanting the transcendental message of Godhead is said herein to be simply a waste of time.

I disagree. Most activities are beneficial in a variety of ways.

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Posted: 13 January 2007 05:58 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 54 ]
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Charybdis - 29 December 2006 09:51 AM

Because foolish people have no information of the soul and how it is beyond the purview of the body and mind…,

If it’s beyond the purview of the body and mind, how do you know it exists?  What are you using to detect this soul?

We’ve experienced in our practical lifetime that we were very tiny, youth, we had a small body, child’s body: kaumaram yauvanam. Then youthful body, then we’re having old man, old woman’s body, like this. So practically speaking, this body is constantly changing. Although Krsna gives this example because He is trying to explain a very fine point of understanding, namely transmigration of the soul: that in reality the body that we have is changing at every moment, at every instant. But we can not see that because our consciousness is not so sharp to pick up when there’s change of body. But Krsna explains, “You can see that you had a small body, now you have a youthful body, now you have an old man’s body.” Actually there is a continuum of change at every moment. So this is the changing material body, and the mind likewise is changing, but the soul, the living entity, is not changing. And this is experienced practically by the fact that in spite of so many changes of body that we had we’ve still the same person. Just like we can remember when we were young children playing in the park or at the streets, and then older, older, older; going to school; older, family life; older, now retired; now like this. So like this the body is changing in so many ways but still I’m the same person. This can be practically experienced. Everyone has this understanding: different bodies but you’re still the same person.

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Charybdis - 29 December 2006 09:51 AM

Because foolish people have no information of the soul and how it is beyond the purview of the body and mind…,

If it’s beyond the purview of the body and mind, how do you know it exists?  What are you using to detect this soul?

Hypothesis. Hypothesis. Just like yesterday I was explaining that as soon as there is a machine, there is an operator. This is hypothesis. You cannot expect machine going on without operator. Similarly, this material nature is a machine and the operator is God. This is hypothesis. Even though you do not see God we can make this suggestion. That is human reasoning, logic. If any ordinary typewriter machine… This is a machine, but that requires operator. He is pushing this button; then it is working. It is not automatically working, any machine. So how this big machine is operating without any operator? What is this nonsense? They say, “There is no God. Nature, nature.” What is the nature? Nature is a machine. Just like this body. This body is machine, and the operator is the soul, and the guide is the Supersoul. As soon as the soul goes away, then the machine does not work. This is common sense. But they have no common sense; therefore they are rascals, so-called scientists and others. They have no common sense.

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