Well, lookie here!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2006/05/tx_fuel_pills.html

Luckymeek, you are new to this forum aren’t you?

The comments seem to be self serving in that they slam BioPerformance to promote their own product.

Oh really?  And what product is that?  I believe that BioPerformance is a scam product that does not work.  I also believe that none of the other fuel additives work either.  So, just because I don’t think BioPerformance works means I must be promoting my own product.  Please let me know what product I am promoting, as I don’t even know myself.

it is interesting to me how many experts we have in
this forum and how they have a prejudgemental attitude towards a product (and Company) that they probalbly have never used.

Do I honestly have to respond to this one?  When a product has no evidence to back up the fact that it works, then why should I dish out the money to try it.  In fact, when should I spend any time on it at all.  Even if I use it and believe it may of had an effect, it still means nothing.  Some things have such ridiculous claims that it is pretty damn certain that it’s not going to work, and therefore not worth my time.

This is showing very little professionalism..If ones product is sooooooo great then let it sell itself and quit bashing
something you know very little about.

Actually, I think that thinking for yourself and questioning things is very professional.  I think that it is also pretty professional to encourage others not to buy into a scam product.

From the article posted by CMG:

“The Attorney General’s lawsuit alleges violations of the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act and the promotion of an illegal pyramid scheme, which can result in penalties of $20,000 per violation.”

Things aren’t looking so good for you Luckymeek

Ok everyone!  I had to get in on this conversation....

I have been doing some research on Ethos, in fact I have joined, myself.  Based on the research that I have done, the product and company (Ethos Environmental) are legitimate and effective.  Here is my dilemma....I do have a concern about the track record of the Marketing team.  From what I have learned, Ethos Environmental is a separate entity from 4ECorp which is run by Shane McGuire and Dan Atkinson.

So, could it be that Enrique is legitimate, and has hooked up with these guys to market his product full-force?  There is substantial evidence and endorsements to make a believer out of me in the product.  Ethos Environmental is currently in a merger process with another company (Victor Industries).

So what do we really make of all of this?  Is it possible that Shane and Dan are trying to legitimately do something right this time, or should we assume that they are scam-ming on Ethos Environmental?  I’ve read all the articles, I’ve listened to the conference calls, I’ve watched the explosion...It’s really hard to believe this is nothing more than a scam....And the first article I have read was dated 2001....that’s 5 years ago.  If the product was bogus, wouldn’t it have been shut down by now? 

Listen, I don’t proclaim to know the answers....But I do want to know the truth.

Here’s one of the articles from april of last year.

http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/april05/business0405.asp

I would value your personal experiences with these guys or their companies.....and/or Ethos

Cindi - I’m not sure what you’re asking beyond what we’ve already posted here.  Anything is possible, but it seems extremely unlikely that Ethos is a product that produces any kind of mileage boost or pollutant reduction that’s worth the money.  Read the thread for additional information.  It’s only 3 pages long.

The only thing I can add at this point is that this product has apparently been around since about 1989 (the year the patent application was filed), but is still in the MLM distribution channel.  You’d think if there were something real to this product it would have made it to traditional product distribution channels by now.  And even traditional product distribution channels are hardly immune to frauds (see, e.g., the FTC actions taken against the Q-RAY bracelet, BREATH ASSURE, and SLICK 50, as scam or essentially worthless products that failed to perform as advertised).

Also, the patent (4,920,691) will expire in 3 years.  So even on the remote chance that there’s something there beyond hype, you’ll see cuthroat competition beginning in 3 years which will drive out the MLM people because MLM is a horribly cost-inefficient way to distribute products. 

From a Machiavellian perspective, if the marketing hype was slick enough to convince you, then it’s slick enough for you to get customers for the stuff.

Cindi - from the link you provided:  “It’s like gold,” [Jerry Schnitzius] adds. “By combining it with biodiesel, it reduced emissions from our trucks by 64 to 66 percent, and after we added it to the crankcase oil, it improved another 12 percent.”

So you add this concoction to the gas tank, AND you add it to the crankcase?  And merely by pouring some oil additive into the crankcase, you get a 12% reduction in some unspecified category of pollutants?  Does that not make the gauge on your B.S. Detector spin wildly?

Here is a link to an Ethos message board post where a guy posts the results he has had using Ethos in his Chevy Astro van. Half way down the page he posts before and after pictures of his on board computer that show his miles per gallon before using Ethos and after.

http://profitspotlight.com/gas4lessforum/index.php?topic=143.0

Considering the variety of factors that can affect a vehicles fuel consumption, a simple before and after photo proves absolutely nothing.

A few of the things that affect a vehicles fuel consumption…

Traffic congestion, which increases with population density.

Road gradient and road surface conditions.

My car averages about 39 mpg, but I’ve had it reading over 90 mpg by zeroing it at the top of a hill and idling all the way down it. Now there’s a before and after to turn heads!

Perhaps I should start selling bottles of engine oil cut with WD40, call it an ‘active lubricant’ and market it as ‘Drive-AL’!

You guys are just hopeless...... 

I won’t even suggest that one of you try a bottle for yourself....I just don’t think you would be willing to admit it if it really did make a difference.

Are any of you out there self-made millionaires?  How did you make your money?  Wouldn’t you agree that you have to take risks to ever get somewhere.  And if you fail, fail forward until you make your own success! 

So, let others sell the product without trying to rain on their parade...who knows, we ALL just might be surprised!

Yup, hopeless.
All you silly people pointing out reasons why these non-blinded ‘proofs’ may not be accurate, and suggesting other ideas which could account for the same effect! Damn close minded skeptics.