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(forget Darwin) Them and Us: how Neanderthal predation created modern humans begins
Posted: 24 September 2009 03:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Dear LaMa. Please accept my apologies. I did not know until your post that you were from the planet Paleoanthropologia. How wonderful that you can breathe in Earth’s atmosphere. And that - LaMA - I assume is your real name, as opposed to what we call a knock off from the bro boys of Baltimore in the television series, The Wire. Anyway, please allow me to welcome you to earth on behalf of my people. We are pleased to have you among us, and I would be delighted if you could tell me why intergalactic visitors such as yourself always choose to land in minor cities like Adelaide. Or remote outback wheatfields. Congratulations also on your wonderful grasp of our language. Your spelling of Neandertal - without the “h” speaks volumes. However I think I should point out, with great respect, that here on Earth we have some important unwritten ground rules for criticism.  Paramount among these is that if we wish to analyse and/or denigrate a written work, then - in deference to the author - we are obliged to read it first. This is to enable us to persuade those who read our subsequent appraisals that we know what we are talking about.  Otherwise we would appear vacuous, unscientific, ignorant and, worse than that, impolite. I imagine its the same on Paleoanthropologia. I expect your professors would have your guts for garters if you went spouting off about things which you had not studied in any detail. And here on Earth we have a quality called modesty which prevents us generally speaking from describing ourselves as “specialists” unless we really are. And offer some proof. I hope these comments are helpful and enable you to have an enjoyable stay on Earth.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 04:19 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Bernardo - 24 September 2009 07:25 AM

Dear LaMa. Please accept my apologies. I did not know until your post that you were from the planet Paleoanthropologia. How wonderful that you can breathe in Earth’s atmosphere. And that - LaMA - I assume is your real name, as opposed to what we call a knock off from the bro boys of Baltimore in the television series, The Wire. Anyway, please allow me to welcome you to earth on behalf of my people. We are pleased to have you among us, and I would be delighted if you could tell me why intergalactic visitors such as yourself always choose to land in minor cities like Adelaide. Or remote outback wheatfields. Congratulations also on your wonderful grasp of our language. Your spelling of Neandertal - without the “h” speaks volumes. However I think I should point out, with great respect, that here on Earth we have some important unwritten ground rules for criticism.  Paramount among these is that if we wish to analyse and/or denigrate a written work, then - in deference to the author - we are obliged to read it first. This is to enable us to persuade those who read our subsequent appraisals that we know what we are talking about.  Otherwise we would appear vacuous, unscientific, ignorant and, worse than that, impolite. I imagine its the same on Paleoanthropologia. I expect your professors would have your guts for garters if you went spouting off about things which you had not studied in any detail. And here on Earth we have a quality called modesty which prevents us generally speaking from describing ourselves as “specialists” unless we really are. And offer some proof. I hope these comments are helpful and enable you to have an enjoyable stay on Earth.

Bernardo as you’re just carrying on like an idiot I’d be surprised if anybody were to bother with that book. I don’t see the need for you to insult people like that.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 04:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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It’s probably a good thing I’m not an admin of this board right now. I’d likely ban a few folks, wipe the topic clean, burn any backups, and salt the earth so that nothing would grow again…

As it is, I shall settle for saying: Bernardo, you’re being an ass and a troll. Stop attempting to project an air of superiority if you’re going to resort to that sort of juvenile namecalling, because it really doesn’t work. Additionally, you smell bad, and your mother dresses you funny.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 05:09 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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The keywords in text are:

theoretical biologist

And that says also enough of the guys sexlife I presume.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 09:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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Bernardo - 24 September 2009 07:25 AM

Congratulations also on your wonderful grasp of our language. Your spelling of Neandertal - without the “h” speaks volumes

It is, actually, the correct way to write Neandertal.

Neandertal, or more correctly Neandertaler, is a German word. The German language dropped the “th” in thal and changed to “t” (“tal”) a century ago. Hence, the correct way of writing is Neandertal, not Neanderthal. Only some Anglo-saxons ignorant of the German origin of the word and/or changes in the German language over the past century think you have to write “Neanderthal” with th.

You can find this well-explained by the way in Trinkaus & Shipman, The Neandertals - changing the Image of Mankind, New York 1992.

In international practise, both styles of writing are used (I myself tend to switch on- and off between them). Linguistically, the one with “t” rather than “th” is the most correct one though.

(I could ad here that I am quite sure my command of English, as a non-native speaker, is probably better than your command of my native tongue Dutch. Or German, for that matter)

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Posted: 24 September 2009 09:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Bernardo - 24 September 2009 07:25 AM

And here on Earth we have a quality called modesty which prevents us generally speaking from describing ourselves as “specialists” unless we really are. And offer some proof. I hope these comments are helpful and enable you to have an enjoyable stay on Earth.

Dear Bernardo,

I have a PhD in palaeolithic archaeology from Leiden University and am currently conducting my own research program with an NWO (our Dutch NSF) Veni grant at the VU University Amsterdam, on the topic ‘Neandertal Living Space’. See http://www.palaeolithic.nl

Now, how well are you embedded in professional palaeoanthropology?

By the way Bernardo, you can buy my PhD dissertation here, at archaeopress in Oxford. It has been published as BAR International Series no. 1244 (2004).

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Posted: 24 September 2009 09:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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So, while I hate dick-measuring games like this, I just wanted to point out that I do have expert knowledge in this field, and hence am well aware of what evidence does and what evidence does not exist (I really don’t need Vendramini’s book for that!), and what are outdated notions regarding Neandertals and not. One part of being a professional in a field, is being aware of the history of your field of science and being up to date with the body of evidence.

If you are under the impression that “Them and us” provides a completely new idea on Neandertals, you are simply wrong. Views like that were paramount a century ago, and they were and are inspired by stereotypes and a wish to use Neandertals as a mirror for “us” and our perceived ‘superiority’ in matters, rather than that they are backed by real facts. It is an oddity that H. sapiens is always striving to keep ‘humanity’ restricted to H. sapiens by downgrading possible other contenders for the title “human”. Powerful de-humanizing stereotypes as “cannibal” and “rapist” have been used more than once for this purpose. This has happened regularly with regard to Neandertals. Read Matt Cartmill: “Human Uniqueness and Theoretical Content in Palaeoanthropology”, International Journal of Primatology 11 (1990): 193-236

Which is one reason why I do not feel like wanting to waste money on the book. If I would have to buy every crackpot view on prehistory mulling over the same misconceptions again that appears, I would spend twice my annual salary on books yearly.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 12:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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Bernardo, if you witsh to continue holding a sensible discussion in this thread then I suggest you quit the sarcasm. You asked about members’ suitability to comment knowledgeably on this topic, and when answered, you decided to be rude.
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Posted: 24 September 2009 01:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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I think he is outwitted.

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Posted: 24 September 2009 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Posted: 24 September 2009 03:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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LaMa - 24 September 2009 01:15 PM
Bernardo - 24 September 2009 07:25 AM

Congratulations also on Your spelling of Neandertal - without the “h” speaks volumes

It is, actually, the correct way to write Neandertal.

Considering that the Germans dropped the “h” back in the late 1800’s or early 1900’s, and that the spelling “Neandertals” has been in use by the scientific community since the 1950’s at least, and that even I (who has only taken various university classes on paleontology and kept up with the subject in an amateur manner rather than professional) have known for a long, long time that dropping the “h” is now the more proper way to spell it, I think that comparing LaMa’s spelling of it and Bernardo’s reaction to it does indeed speak volumes as to who has the expertise here.

Some interesting views from Bernardo, but sadly uninformed because the author hasn’t bothered to read the comments here or literature.  Remember, when the first fur-bearing trout was send to Scotland for examination, the relevant

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