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CieAura: Is this the latest SCAM following in the LifeWave footsteps?
Posted: 12 February 2012 01:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 562 ]
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David Kahn - 12 February 2012 03:49 AM

Reviving an old thread. If you’re looking for the clinical trials, here they are:

https://secure.kl6.com/wcegmem/cieaura/cieaura_CieAura_Sponsored_Supplement_Final.pdf

This is published in the Alternative Therapies in Health and Medicine Journal and is indexed in the Index Medicus.

Right there on the cover, lower-left.

“Sponsored by CieAura”. Big ol’ ads for it, too.

Try an unbiased THIRD PARTY double-blind trial, and we’ll talk. Just because it’s published in an ‘alternative medicine’ journal does not make it ‘medicine’.

Ok, let’s take a look at this atrocity.

Mr Gupta (I’m not about to taint the medical community by calling him Dr), author of most of these pages, comes out of the gates saying he’s the Chief Medical Officer of CieAura.. Surely there’s no bias here! Let’s see.. Oh, look, the use of the term ‘allopathic’. Never a good sign.

I’m more interested in that nice big disclaimer. It’s the standard thing that you see on such nostrums. ‘Certain persons considered experts may disagree with one or more of the statements contained here’... yeah, I bet they would.

Ok, first article, he goes into great detail as to how ‘skeptical’ he was, and how he set out to prove that the chips didn’t work. Uh huh.. pull the other one. Let’s look at the actual ‘meat’ of things, shall we?

First off, it’s a SMALL study. Less than 500 patients, over only a single week? I suppose that’s why it’s a ‘pilot’ study.

There’s the mention of ‘traditional Chinese medicine’, which always pisses me off. ‘Traditional Chinese Medicine’ is why we don’t have West African Black Rhinoceros anymore. Just because it’s old and foreign doesn’t mean it’s good. I invite Mr Gupta to participate in some ancient and traditional Mayan medicine, which was reported as being extremely effective by those who used it.

The big one I’m seeing is this: ‘Patients were recruited on a voluntary basis in exchange for free holographic chips’. While it’s not unheard of to pay or compensate your subjects for their time, doing so by offering the product is a clear violation, and introduces bias. This means that the patients were convinced that the chips would, in fact, work.

Ok, now then, we finally get the results! Hey, look at that, phenomenal results! 83/17 to 18/82! That’s amazing! Makes me wonder if someone didn’t accidentally flip a number in there or something… With results like this, you’d think they would have a much easier time getting their product approved by the FDA… Funny that.

Another ‘Pilot Study’: Weight loss!.... wait.. the heck? Ok, they’re just putting up the results, no actual data? Huh. Well, ok, I’m sure the studies were conducted properly, right?

Ok, another study, blah blah, Chinese Medicine, blah blah.. this time the results are even MORE dramatic! 92/8 to 10/90? Why, that’s better than most OTC allergy medicines! Granted, they’re reporting an 80% rate for homeopathic treatments, so I suspect they may not be wholly correct. Again, the reversal makes me think someone is reading the numbers wrong…

Sleep study! VERY small sample group in this batch.. oh, and more reliance on Traditional Chinese Medicine - they even give it an acronym, now! I have to wonder how good these chisp are at balancing the humors, or chasing away demons…

Let’s see.. I’m not even sure what this next ‘study’ is supposed to be ‘proving’. We now have a dissertation on how awesome Traditional Chinese Medicine is, and how their product is basically the same as acupuncture without all the scary needles. It blabs on about how the holograms provite ‘intrinsic’ or ‘subtle’ energies, ‘quantum’, blahblah more quantum blah.. I like how they say that ‘While intrinsic energy cannot be measured by any current measuring device, its effects can be measured’. Translation: ‘We hope you think our product is super-high tech’. Ah, here we go. ‘We gave folks wristbands and then performed flexibility tests on them’. These tests have. been. proven. to be bogus. They’ve been used by snake-oil salesmen for generations. Pure weapons-grade Bullcrapium.

If anything, this ‘study’ merely convinces me that it is not simply ‘alternative’ medicine they are selling, but a bona-fide scam. They know their product doesn’t work, so they’re hiding it behind a smokescreen of magic unicorn sparkles and hoping the gullible don’t look too deep.

Come back when you have some REAL data.

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Posted: 15 May 2012 09:22 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 563 ]
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I have been compiling evidence of the CieAura (and LifeWave, Power Balance, and similar ) scam/fraud on this site:

http://www.PatchDiscBandScam.com

Forum threads like this one are great to read the criticisms of their product, but its hard to get a compilation of evidence of the scam.  (On the other hand, the marketing guys at CieAura make it easy to find their ‘evidence’ of product claims)

Hopefully the site will be of use to someone reading through this thread.

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Posted: 15 May 2012 12:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 564 ]
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Groovy.

Well, I’d start back a ways and follow the lawsuits, not just in the US but other countries. I mean, if they can’t support their product in a court of law, what hope do they have here?

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Posted: 15 May 2012 12:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 565 ]
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Their hope is on the gullables.

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Posted: 06 May 2013 11:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 566 ]
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It appears there have been some changes at the CieAura scam headquarters.

http://www.patchdiscbandscam.com/2012/10/digital-media-group-announces-the-acquisition-of-cieaura-assets/


“Ken Rasner, Founder and CEO of CieAura will assume the title of Chairman Emeritus…”

Apparently not only Popes do it.


Digital media Group knows it’s a SCAM, right? LOL


http://www.npros.com/2012/10/16/digital-media-group-announces-the-acquisition-of-cieaura-assets/

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Posted: 07 May 2013 02:40 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 567 ]
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Honestly, I’m just glad that Power Balance no longer has the naming rights to the local sports arena. It was downright embarassing. Much better to have a local mattress company with that honor.

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Posted: 07 May 2013 07:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 568 ]
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Robin Bobcat - 07 May 2013 02:40 AM

Much better to have a local mattress company with that honor.

Yes. I think you would get agreement from The Order of St Beryl.

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