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CieAura: Is this the latest SCAM following in the LifeWave footsteps?
Posted: 28 April 2011 05:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 529 ]
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Peter - 28 April 2011 12:04 PM

Can we come up with a profile of the personality type that tries to make money from scams like these?


It seems like the driving force is to make money. 

> THAT’S IT !

But I’ve never been able to understand how, when faced with common sense critical thinking arguments why CieAura is full of shit, she simply keeps on with the keepin’ on and continues to participate in the program. Another of life’s great mysteries I guess!

> YOU ANSWERED THAT YOURSELF IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.

 


Doctor Hoffenkoff told me that when he looks at his insight statistics, all of his videos show that they are watched completely to the end(way above the average you-tube video), in fact some parts are being rewound and watched again….... Except for the one when he says you can’t make money in MLM. The graphs show that the very moment he makes that statement, it drops to almost 0%.

Either the people watching already know that and don’t have to be convinced -or- they are just too greedy to believe it. The thought of being rich beyond their wildest dreams gives them tunnel vision.

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Posted: 29 April 2011 03:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 530 ]
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Cieaura RULES - 28 April 2011 09:06 PM
gridbug - 28 April 2011 08:32 PM
Peter - 28 April 2011 12:04 PM

Can we come up with a profile of the personality type that tries to make money from scams like these?


It seems like the driving force is to make money. 

> THAT’S IT !

But I’ve never been able to understand how, when faced with common sense critical thinking arguments why CieAura is full of shit, she simply keeps on with the keepin’ on and continues to participate in the program. Another of life’s great mysteries I guess!

> YOU ANSWERED THAT YOURSELF IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.

 


Doctor Hoffenkoff told me that when he looks at his insight statistics, all of his videos show that they are watched completely to the end(way above the average you-tube video), in fact some parts are being rewound and watched again….... Except for the one when he says you can’t make money in MLM. The graphs show that the very moment he makes that statement, it drops to almost 0%.

Either the people watching already know that and don’t have to be convinced -or- they are just too greedy to believe it. The thought of being rich beyond their wildest dreams gives them tunnel vision.

Yes but most businesses provide a good or service that brings value to the people who buy them. These businesses are run by people who acknowledge that the way to stay in business and make good profits in the long run is to provide a good or service that is fit for purpose.

People who run scams by and large don’t seem to have this mindset. They don’t provide a good or service that gives benefit to people. They just tell lies so they can take people’s money. I have to ask about these large scale scams and how many people just churn through them. How many people get caught out after not being able to sustain it in the long term? How many people manage to make money over some years? What sort of personality can live with robbing people of their money in return for something that does not work? What kind of person can try to make money this way without seeing the risks involved?

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Posted: 29 April 2011 09:51 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 531 ]
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Except that most people involved with selling these to their friends/family/etc aren’t your typical “scammer”.  They are, instead, “true believers’.  For whatever reason, these chips seem to work for them.  They don’t understand placebo effects, and couldn’t care less why they work, they are just glad that they work.  And so they offer them to everyone around them.  The fact that they make a little money as well is just icing on the cake.  Blinded by things like ‘confirmation bias”, they literally do not hear the negative facts/logic.  Instead, they pick and sort through information they are given and take out only those things that already support their position.

And Gridbug,

“> YOU ANSWERED THAT YOURSELF IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.”

Good thing YOU aren’t suffering from any such stereotyping beliefs, huh? rolleyes

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Posted: 29 April 2011 10:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 532 ]
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daveprime - 29 April 2011 01:51 PM

Except that most people involved with selling these to their friends/family/etc aren’t your typical “scammer”.  They are, instead, “true believers’.  For whatever reason, these chips seem to work for them.  They don’t understand placebo effects, and couldn’t care less why they work, they are just glad that they work.  And so they offer them to everyone around them.  The fact that they make a little money as well is just icing on the cake.  Blinded by things like ‘confirmation bias”, they literally do not hear the negative facts/logic.  Instead, they pick and sort through information they are given and take out only those things that already support their position.

And Gridbug,

“> YOU ANSWERED THAT YOURSELF IN THE FIRST SENTENCE.”

Good thing YOU aren’t suffering from any such stereotyping beliefs, huh? rolleyes

Could these “true believers” be divided up into those who just want an income “at all costs” and into those who “believe”. Or do you think it’s all just one homogenous group of “true believers”?

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Posted: 29 April 2011 01:18 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 533 ]
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Peter - 29 April 2011 02:50 PM

Could these “true believers” be divided up into those who just want an income “at all costs” and into those who “believe”. Or do you think it’s all just one homogenous group of “true believers”?

If it wasn’t for the money, why would it even be offered as a MLM opportunity, and why else would they be tempted to try it in the first place?

If Transparent Holographic Pain chips were offered at Walgreen’s, how many purchased would be returned for their money back?

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Posted: 29 April 2011 01:47 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 534 ]
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Peter - 29 April 2011 02:50 PM

Could these “true believers” be divided up into those who just want an income “at all costs” and into those who “believe”. Or do you think it’s all just one homogenous group of “true believers”?

If it wasn’t for the money, why would it even be offered as a MLM opportunity, and why else would they be tempted to try it in the first place?

If Transparent Holographic Pain chips were offered at Walgreen’s, how many purchased would be returned for their money back?

You might be surprised. wink

Many people see benefit from a plethora of home remedies, ‘ancient’ cures, and nonsensical actions/unguents.

I personally believe that only a small percentage of those using/selling the “chips” are in it purely for profit.  Like most people, most users found something that seems to work and want to help others.  the fact they can make a few bucks is a bonus. And for people in pain, easy money itself is remarkably curative. grin (I believe in the basic goodness of mankind, though, so I may be mistaken.) LOL

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Posted: 29 April 2011 02:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 535 ]
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Have you ever seen the videos of his Seminars? Or any MLM seminars….People actually PAY to go to them. I doubt if any of them go because the product makes them feel better. They go so they can see the celebrities.To join the classes on how to improve their sales, get motivated and learn about their chances of winning a Caribbean Cruise. Heck, if they would just save the money instead of letting the company charge their CC on a monthly Auto-Ship, they would have enough to buy TWO cruises.

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Posted: 30 April 2011 12:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 536 ]
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daveprime - 29 April 2011 05:47 PM
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Peter - 29 April 2011 02:50 PM

Could these “true believers” be divided up into those who just want an income “at all costs” and into those who “believe”. Or do you think it’s all just one homogenous group of “true believers”?

If it wasn’t for the money, why would it even be offered as a MLM opportunity, and why else would they be tempted to try it in the first place?

If Transparent Holographic Pain chips were offered at Walgreen’s, how many purchased would be returned for their money back?

You might be surprised. wink

Many people see benefit from a plethora of home remedies, ‘ancient’ cures, and nonsensical actions/unguents.

I personally believe that only a small percentage of those using/selling the “chips” are in it purely for profit.  Like most people, most users found something that seems to work and want to help others.  the fact they can make a few bucks is a bonus. And for people in pain, easy money itself is remarkably curative. grin (I believe in the basic goodness of mankind, though, so I may be mistaken.) LOL

So if somebody comes up to me and tries to sell me something of CieAura or LifeWave how likely is it they have a sociopathic need to grab money off me even though they know their product is useless? Or is it the case they are all just misguided idiots?

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Posted: 30 April 2011 05:29 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 537 ]
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Peter - 30 April 2011 04:26 AM

So if somebody comes up to me and tries to sell me something of CieAura or LifeWave how likely is it they have a sociopathic need to grab money off me even though they know their product is useless? Or is it the case they are all just misguided idiots?

Oh no!  There are some VERY low-life types involved as well.  (As there are in almost any human endeavor.)  If you said MOST are just misguided persons, i would agree. wink

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Posted: 16 July 2011 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 538 ]
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I’ve been following responses to a post I made on another web site.

This one caught my eye.

By Alex in Business Scams
“The FBI and the Justice Department are actually quite smart.  The Federal Court’s ruling in favor of the FTC against Burnlounge, Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer (“ATD,” aka the “Three Stooges”)now sets up a strong case where the Justice Department will be able to charge Arnold, Taylor and DeBoer with conspiracy, mail fraud, violations of interstate banking laws, and RICO violations.  Instead of settling with the FTC earlier and waiting for Judge Wu to decide on the case, the Three Stooges have set themselves up perfectly for an easy prosecutorial conviction.
The $16 million+ is only the beginning of Alex Arnold’s legal troubles.  He now faces the probability of Federal criminal charges which will not only further bankrupt him (legal fees), but similar to how death is inevitable with terminal cancer, Alex Arnold would be sure to be convicted and have to spend time in prison.
As he tries to cover his financial tracks with this CieAura scam, it will only make his situation worse.  By trying to hide his involvement, he leaves himself open to forensic accounting experts who will unravel his deceptive financial involvement.
Sadly, it was obvious from the get-go that Burnlounge was not a legitimate business opportunity, and once the FTC got wind of it, Arnold and his cronies should have immediately admitted wrong-doing, shut the thing down, paid restitution.  He would have probably had been slapped with a heavy fine and some period of time where he was restricted from engaging in the mlm industry.  Now, it will only be a matter of time before Federal indictments will be coming down.
Judge Wu’s verdict also puts all mlm companies on notice.  The whole concept of retailing will now have to be clearly defined (which is good) and more companies will now be scrutinized by FTC.”

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Posted: 17 July 2011 08:38 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 539 ]
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SPAM is NOT welcome…Duh!

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