Anotherone

Nothing worthwhile is easy!

You make some very good points and I can certainly understand your frustrations with the medical and pharmaceutical industry as a whole.

“ ...I can see that what I have seen is not held with much importance.“

The degrees of importance are not really the point. We are trying to understand how good people, like yourself, can get swept up in the NAET movement and not see the obvious missing links to reality.

“You know, most of us couldn’t get into medical school to become real doctors anyway, but we’re good hearted and try to help others.“

Surely you can understand how people might find your position a little disconcerting?

“ Most of us actually, believe it or not, believe what we are seeing.“

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe anyone has accused you of not truthfully recounting what you have experienced.

“...hope you understand that it will be hard for me to go to my patients tomorrow and explain that I can no longer treat them, even though they have had good results because the research done thus far does not support that this technique works. Or maybe I’ll just do it for a few more days to help a few more people and then see if the real doctors will let me come take out their garbage. Oh, why didn’t I go to medical school?“

Forgive me, but this does sound a little childish. I don’t quite follow your reasoning here.

You have admitted to “treating” “patients” and presumably accepting money for “services” renderred.

You are unable to give an account of how such treatments work, if indeed the “treatments” are responsible for witnessed “changes” in your “patients”.

You believe what you do is “harmless”.

How do you know this?

What if something you are doing now has consequences that will not be known for another 10 years?

Please don’t give up on us.

This is definitely not a witch hunt, unless of course you are a witch!

As with the other threads that I and others contribute to, I’m just interested in finding out the real facts behind claims made by various “inventors” “healers” etc.

Dave

CAN NAMBUDRIPAD LEGALLY USE THE LETTERS “M.D.” IN CALIFORNIA?

According to her website, Devi. S. Nambudripad, the person who “discovered” NAET in November 1983 (http://www.naet.com/subscribers/what.html), claims to be an “M.D.”  http://www.naet.com/CurriculumVitae.pdf
Her claim to those letters is based on “Doctor of Medicine from UHSA, Antigua, January 2002.”  (http://www.naet.com/CurriculumVitae.pdf).  So what is this UHSA, where Nambudripad got her medical degree 19 years after she “discovered” NAET?
The University of Health Sciences-Antigua (UHSA) is based in Antigua, West Indies.  According to its website “Campus Tour” video, visitors to the campus are greeted with what appears to be a hand-lettered sign that says “Medical School – Welcome”, and a campus that consists of a handful of small buildings, and roads marked by white rocks along the sides of the roads, and apparently no curbs or sideways.  http://www.uhsa.ag/  , click on “Campus Tour”.  I can’t tell for whether the roads through campus are paved or whether they are mostly dirt.
You don’t need an undergraduate degree in order to attend UHSA.  “Most students have a BA or BS prior to entering the School of Medicine. However, students who have not completed the baccalaureate degree but have demonstrated academic capability may apply.”  http://www.uhsa.ag/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=335&Itemid=30.  You don’t even need to have taken any sciences courses to first receive a crash course in science from UHSA and then be “automatically accepted” into the medical school. http://www.uhsa.ag/synopsis/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=873&Itemid=30 
UHSA receives a lot of bashing on the Internet. 
According to Wikipedia, California does not recognize a degree from UHSA as being a legitimate medical degree.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHSA (“California list ‘University of Health Sciences Antigua, St. John’s’ as disapproved since 1995, and ‘neither education completed at, nor diplomas issued by, [UHSA] will be accepted toward meeting the requirements for training and/or licensure in [California].’”)  That same article further states that, “Kansas has filed suit against a dentist for using the title “M.D.“ without complying with state licensing requirements after obtaining a medical doctorate through an accelerated 18 month course of internet classes, clinical rotations and lectures at UHSA,” citing http://www.pitch.com/2004-06-17/news/oral-argument/.
So it’s not clear to me whether Nambudripad can even legally call herself an “M.D.” in California, where she is based.

Joel,

I’d say you’ve documented rather nicely that she’s whistling in the wind.

Not that it’ll matter much to her.

If she can peddle this scam “science” she can certainly handle accusations of not being a real doctor.

Nice research!

Dave

Anotherone

“...hope you understand that it will be hard for me to go to my patients tomorrow and explain that I can no longer treat them, even though they have had good results because the research done thus far does not support that this technique works. Or maybe I’ll just do it for a few more days to help a few more people and then see if the real doctors will let me come take out their garbage. Oh, why didn’t I go to medical school?“

Well, did you keep your word?

You know.. I’m trying *very* hard to not be snarky.. I mean, the comment about seeing ‘if the real doctors will let me come take out their garbage’ just *invites* it..

*sigh* Fine.. I’ll get it out of my system…

*ahem* “In taking out the trash of real doctors, you would be doing far, far more to aid medicine and the care of patients than your current line of work.“

Robin Bobcat - 03 December 2007 12:13 AM

You know.. I’m trying *very* hard to not be snarky.. I mean, the comment about seeing ‘if the real doctors will let me come take out their garbage’ just *invites* it..

*sigh* Fine.. I’ll get it out of my system…

*ahem* “In taking out the trash of real doctors, you would be doing far, far more to aid medicine and the care of patients than your current line of work.“

Ooooh That’s gonna sting!

so the bottom line for me is that this works most of the time..of course, sarcasm aside I continue on my mission help people..I can’t explain totally how it works and neither can anyone else on this board..this difference is you don’t believe it works and I see it day in and day out..not some people thinking they feel better..real changes..again, infant skin changes are probably the best monitor as the placebo infant effect is probably minimal and either skin changes or it doesn’t..and we’re not talking about a slight change either..so there is the stalemate..I don’t think this type of board is generally filled with people who want to know what works but rather tying to disprove things based on third hand information..I don’t care where she got what degree from..is she sneaky or disreputable..not my call..what she has put together works most of the time..also, can show before and after blood tests on many items..so my rambling ends here, with a somewhat hard to read post..I guess for me when I hear something works to help my patients I learn it and see what happens..most things don’t work..this one happens to..luckily for the patients who use it.

I think our contention here is that no, it does not work. Any perceived effects are purely the result of wishful thinking and/or flimflammery. The relevation that you will cease rambling, however, fills our hearts with joy unbounded. I shall have to schedule a party.

To paraphrase, There are more things on heaven and earth than fit into your philosophy, Horatio. Your wishing it not to work has no effect on reality, except yours.

Anotherone - 05 December 2007 04:20 AM

To paraphrase, There are more things on heaven and earth than fit into your philosophy, Horatio. Your wishing it not to work has no effect on reality, except yours.

The opposite could also apply, though.  There could be things fit into Horatio’s philosophy that don’t exist on heaven or earth, and wishing something to work has just as much effect on reality.

And I just want to point out that every time I read your user-name, I hear Freddie Mercury’s voice singing it.  This point has nothing to do with the topic, and is meant as neither support nor criticism.  I’m just mentioning it.

Agreed, if all I had to go on were nebulous reports that things felt better I would question the results. But how to explain skin rashes going away overnight on children, people able to eat things that had formerly caused them great distress and on and on. I am not talking about 4 or 5 reports, I am talking about hundreds of people having significant results. I have seen many things which seemed to work, which I wanted to have work but in the long run didn’t pan out. Here I am referring to over 8 years of work with people on a daily basis. Far too much to discount.

what song?