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LifeWave Energy Patches
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Posted By:
Fawkes
Feb 24, 2005
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Now you can get more energy from a patch! I especially like the way that
they "believe" that it works. It is also based on years of research from
many fields. While the research may be valid, I'm not sure that their
results were intended to be used with a "patent pending blend of water,
oxygen, amino acids and organics applied to a polyester fabric and sealed
within a polymer shell".
http://www.contactplus.com/lifewave.htm
We can finally have our super-soldiers now!
Category: Health; Replies: 5915 |
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Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 09:59 AM
That he does not understand how or if they work. |
LB
in Houston, Texas
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 10:20 AM
Obviously, the 1200 + Healthcare professionals, Medical Doctors, Chiropractors, Naturopathic Doctors are convinced of the efficacy of the Lifewave Energy Patches.
A Double-Blind Placebo Controlled Study to Evaluate the Possible Performance Enhancing Effects of the LifeWave |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 01:29 PM
"I'm not going to debate the studies or even the testimonials. They can be manufactured."
It seems LB has changed his policy from a previous post.
An internet search of Google and Yahoo turns up hundreds of hits on "Lifewave Energy Patches". I did not have time to check every one, but almost all the first hundred were from people who sell the product. They all praised the product with different combinations of promotional material (apparently supplied by Lifewave) citing the same studies and the same testimonials. Using a multi-level marketing scheme to sell a product is one of the classic traits of a scam. However, that's not conclusive evidence. I then tried to search specifically for studies done by independent researchers but could find absolutely none. All hits were from the same Livewave promotional materials. Very suspicious. Wouldn't legitimate institutions report their findings on their own websites and journals? Isn't there anyone who performed studies on the product that also does not sell it?
Even more suspicious is the 'study' done by Joseph A. Goodson, Head Athletic Trainer, Moorehouse College, Atlanta, GA. Moorehouse College, according to their website, does not have a Physiology Department. Very stange since they are perported to be doing research in this area. In fact, further searching reveals Mr. Goodson is not head of the Athletic Training Department since there appears to be no such thing. Goodson is listed as Head Trainer of the football team and only because there is an Assistant Trainer. The basketball team has its own 'Trainer'. So we are left with a 'study', done by someone with no academic credentials (who misrepresents himself), using only 44 subjects and of course the 'study' does not appear in any peer reviewed journals. I should also mention that a writer in one of the non-distributor internet hits claims that Goodson himself is a Livewave distributor. What a surprise.
Why aren't Livewave Energy Patches sold in major department stores and pharmacies? And I wonder why such important research with ground-breaking technology merits no official mention by Moorehouse College? Why don't major universities doing physiology research do some proper scientific studies? Probably because they don't have the time or resources to waste on junk science when there is so much legitimate research to be done. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 04:01 PM
My apologies to Morehouse College for spelling their name wrong. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 06:17 PM
No apologies to Lifewave for sometimes misspelling their name. |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 | 03:23 AM
LB said:
"The Lifewave Energy Patches work and they work within a matter of minutes. I use testing bars with gauges, that show a measurable increase in strength. I always do a baseline test first, then test again with the patches. There is usually a distinct increase in strenth with the patches. A couple of times there was not."
What is a "testing bar?" How many people did you test with it/them? Was it a statistically significant number or was it a handful of people? When you say a "couple of times" the patch wasn't effective, how many is that? Was it one percent of the people tested, FIFTY percent?
"Once the person I was testing having rotator cuff problem and getting weaker with each test. Another time my test subject did not get improvement the first time, I had her drink a glass of water. When her dehydratioin was relieved, she got an increase in strength with the patches."
How do you know her alleged increase in strength was directly attributable to the patch and ONLY the patch? Could it be that she had some rest while she was drinking the water and simply felt better? Did you even TRY to rule out other factors?
"There are a small percentage of people who do not benefit from them, but they work well for the majority of people."
How do you know this? You can't possibly have tested a majority of people. What you SEEM to mean is that they "work well" for the majority of people YOU HAVE TESTED. Correct? How many people have you tested in total? Again I ask, did you try to rule out other factors? |
MeBrainsBig
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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 | 09:49 PM
Dan Stalfire is an "entrepreneur" out of Plano Texas. Check out http://www.inventorsipo.com |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 | 01:18 AM
MeBrainsBig said:
"Dan Stalfire is an "entrepreneur" out of Plano Texas. Check out http://www.inventorsipo.com"
Do we KNOW that it's the same Dan Stalfire? |
Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 | 09:37 AM
That is me, I also owned Job Center, Inc, Vision Clear USA, LLC, and Internet Marketing Images, Inc.
I do allot.
Dan |
Spenblu
in California
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 12:02 PM
I've been looking at this stuff for a while and knowing MLM's well I was immediately distrustful, I use to work for one on the IT side of things. I also agree that the people from LifeWave would not publish a negative study/review on their web, however. I do believe that in order to debunk and call this product a hoax you would either have to find a study that portrays the product negatively or conduct one of your own, and "Prove It". Remeber that 100 years ago if you told people that there were "x-rays" that they could not see, they would call you a "NUT", and the Star Trek nonsense of today may seem far fetched, but I was around when the original Star Trek was around and many of the "impossible gadgets" from the show exist today. I personally walk around with a small wireless device on my ear, that allows me to communicate with people thousands of miles away. I'm hearing many positive comments from people who have tried it and had good results, on the other hand I only hear the ranting of one or two who have not tried it, and do not have any "FACTS" to disprove any of the claims.
Like I said, I haven't tried it, yet, but if I can spend $4000.00 on an ultra light bicycle with the best and lightest components, I think I can blow $80.00 to try this out and see for myself.
PS: I can also buy movie tickets online from my Blackberry while sitting on the toilet, ten years ago you would have called me silly! |
Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 12:14 PM
If anyone wants to try it go to www.cynetergistics.com
Dan |
Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 12:15 PM
opps it is www.cyntergistics.com |
Spenblu
in California
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 12:31 PM
Would that happen to be your associate page...  |
Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 01:22 PM
Yes I am a reseller of the product. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 03:05 PM
Since we're already linking to Lifewave in the Topic I'll leave this link. If Alex disagrees he can remove it. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
Member
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 06:26 PM
Spenblu, so which of those impossible Star Trek gadgets are around today? Who has a dilithium crystal matter/anti-matter drive? Or a transporter? Tractor beam? Oh, how about a sub-space radio that allows instant communication with headquarters hundreds of light-years away? Even Kirk's hand-held communicator is far-fetched since it appears to work without repeaters even if the Enterprise is on the other side of the planet. (It's in orbit, remember). Just because a science fiction writer dreamed them up does not mean they will someday be possible. They may or may not. If so, things like that will be far into the future. If someone told you tomorrow they had a photon torpedo, would you believe them? Presently they are just plot devices for prime time TV. (Spaceships today may be more advanced. At least they have seatbelts to keep the crew from being tossed around the cabin).
In the same way, Lifewave patches have no basis in reality. I don't think you have read their literature. If you had you would laugh your ass off. I don't count myself as a medical expert. Far from it, but I can recognize bullshit when I see it. To say their patch acts as a miniature radio transmitter sending signals to the positive and negative areas of the body is going way too far. "Software for the body"? Give me a break. In fact, I saw one comment from a user that described them as "salad dressing in a polymer shell". If I want my intelligence insulted, I'll go to the Vatican website.
Not all scientific claims deserve the same consideration. If an astronomer says that Jupiter has 64 moons, not 63, that claim could very well be true since astronomers are discovering new ones all the time. It would probably merit further investigation. But if a 12 year old boy with a Tasco telescope sticking out his bedroom window says the same thing, it's very likely he will be ignored. In the same way, if someone tries to sell a time machine on E-Bay, physicists don't start a bidding war over it. So pardon me if I don't fork over money to experiment with Lifewave patches myself. And besides I don't need any facts to disprove their claims. The burden of proof is on them and even they say they don't "know" how it works, they only "believe" it works a certain way. Doesn't that show a lot of confidence. Sounds like they are more concerned about lawsuits. Let's wait a year or two and see if Lifewave patches are still around or become just another passing fad. |
Lerine
in lalaLand
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 08:22 PM
My god, do they really expect us to belive this?
DOES anyone fall for this??
lol |
Dan Stalfire
in Dallas
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 08:39 PM
Good points!
Have you tried them?
Dan
www.cyntergistics.com |
Spenblu
in california
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Posted: Thu May 05, 2005 | 11:46 PM
Like I said before, I don't sell them, haven't tried them, but I cannot honestly call it a hoax until I have solid evidence. Unlike some I don't like to AFIRM anything until I know for a fact. The one thing I have to say, is that so far I have not heard from anyone who has used it and thought it did not work. Normally when I'm researching things in places like this, I usually find unhappy customers who claim to have used it and nothing happened, so far the only people that knock the product down are people who have NEVER tried it. You claim that you are not a doctor or have the training, but you claim to have a BS meter that is so precise that it can acertain that this product is a hoax.
I'm going to keep looking a little more, maybe try to find someone who is not happy with the results, if there is anyone... |
Cranky Media Guy
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Posted: Fri May 06, 2005 | 02:57 AM
OK, let's clear this up for the last time. We who doubt the veracity of these things have to prove NOTHING.
The makers and supporters of the LifeWave patches, who are making claims which defy the known laws of physics, bear the burden of proof.
If they are so certain of their claims, why don't they apply for the million dollar prize offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation. The details are available at randi.org
What plausible reason can they give for not trying to take an easy million dollars by merely demonstrating the claims they make?
If *I* had invented (or sold) something so revolutionary that it defied the known laws of physics, not only would I apply for a Nobel Prize, but I would happily take Mr. Randi's million dollars.
Put up or shut up, LifeWave people! |
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