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DFStuckey
in Auckland New Zealand
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 12:49 AM
Let's remember guys - Skepticism is healthy, but Absolute Skepticism can kill.
Just ask the platypus......  |
Blah
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 | 09:15 AM
Jamieblonde, I think people might be more responsive to your points if you were less condenscending. You come in here acting like you're better than everyone else because you're so "open minded." Well...you're not better, and no one really cares about your argument, because you don't have one! You're just rambling on and on because you have some sort of agenda. So whatever. |
Myst
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 | 05:57 PM
Ah Myst, I can't marry you now.-Chary
Awww Just because I'm a Liberal Democrat or because I believe in reincarnation?  |
SCL
in Quebec
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 06:07 AM
AHA! What be this before me? Another thread gone horribly awry? Well, let me clean the slate for my grand opening! I, do believe in such things as reincarnation, telepathy, telekenesis and all that. BUUUUUUUT! I'm also a very scientific person... Ok, i admit, JB doesnt offer any proof that it does exist... But do you have any proof against it? take the initiative ffs... Must you take the lashings of such a linguist before you can show your hand? or are you just bluffing a royal flush?
JB, when you said "to pat each other on the backs and enjoy feeling superior, smug and secure in each other's company." i fully understand what your saying. BUUUT (i use alot of buts eh?) this is not entirely a bad thing... its good that they stand together, but this is kind of an inapropriate place for such camaradery no? Personnaly, i consider these threads as a place where you post your own opinion in a productive manner and theorise things. A conversation continues as long as there are questions. If 1 answer is given, be it tru or false, the conversation comes to an end and it becomes a conflict. (any way, its more fun to answer a question with a question  ) Soooooooooo.. Back to the original subject... Reincarnation. Uhhhhh... well you might have to wait a tad for it to come back... horribly bad memory and slight ADD (it just makes things more interresting does it not?)
And for any 1 reading this with an IQ above 140, "You must deal with alot of turkeys to fly like an eagle!" |
roAE
in USA
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 06:24 AM
This would be a respectable place to debate reality and hoaxes if you guys didn't constantly get into pissing matches. Lets try to be bigger, and debate only the facts or "facts as we see them."
Love the thinking (when I can get it)!
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Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 08:44 AM
We would debate the facts if people would present any. Instead they ramble on about Clinton and liberals and people not being 'open'.
I don't need to provide proof that reincarnation doesn't exist. If you want me to be 'open' and believe it then you need to provide evidence (real evidence, not that "My teacher said that a guy he knew had a neighbor..." crap) and convince me of it. Don't bitch about me being closed minded if you can't be bothered to support your outlandish claims.
Plenty of us are open minded, admittedly most more so than me, but nobody so far has provided anything more than incoherent ranting. Some people's minds are so open that their brains seem to have leaked out.
Myst, it's certainly not because you're a liberal hippie pinko. |
Myst
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 01:41 PM
Myst, it's certainly not because you're a liberal hippie pinko.
What the heck is a pinko?? LOL |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 02:23 PM
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pinko
Ray Bradbury. |
Myst
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 02:46 PM
Right, OK Thanks, I think. |
SCL
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 03:34 PM
Unfortunately Char, there is no hard evidence on any of the paranormal things out there... Unless of course you have unlimited access to all the "top secret files of the CIA
OOO! i Remember now! It's called remote viewing (plz look it up before you say anything...) With the theory of remote viewing, (if this kid had some sort of uber skillz at this) would explain why the kid would know such things. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 05:06 PM
Lack of hard evidence should be a tip-off that maybe there's nothing to believe in. If you believe in things for which there is no evidence then you might as well believe everything - Santa Clause, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, Harvey. For some bizarre reason, lack of evidence seems to make these people believe even more. |
Dude
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 05:32 PM
Let me ask a quick question, Do you believe the earth orbits the sun? if yes what is your proof? |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 06:37 PM
The fact that the Earth orbits the sun can be shown to be true using measurements of the planets movements as the move around the sun. With enough measurements you can triangulate (if that's the right word, if not it's the right sentiment) the position of the Earth at any given time. There is no way to interpret the data to show that the sun orbits the Earth. It's been tried and it's failed. While I don't have the necessary math skills to prove it, any mathemetician or astronomer should be able to show you enough to get you started so you can prove it to yourself. It is completely reproducible by any person with the necessary fundamentals.
Show me any evidence of reincarnation that I can follow the same procedures for. If it's a personal experience then it counts for nothing. Only hard data that be analyzed by anybody counts. |
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 07:07 PM
That is to say, in the old days, mathmatical astronomy systems that had the sun and the planets orbiting the earth failed utterly to predict the future movements of the planets. Those that had the earth and other planets orbiting the sun were much more succesful. |
Dude
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 07:55 PM
OK i got your proof. Remember that movie The Mummy 2. I thought they had good proof. Especially that one scene where she almost fell out of that airship when she was reliving her past. I thought that was really good proof.
I want to be cremated, figure I would go good in a bowl of chili. No need pepper i got essence of dude. |
Smerk
in to mischief
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 08:04 PM
Well, if we're gonna start citing works of fiction as proof, let's not forget X-Files episode "Born Again" from season 1, where a little girl mutilates her dolls in the exact same fashion as a cop was killed eight years previously (supposedly her past life).
And to fill the book quota, how about Katherine Kerr's "Deverry" series, where reincarnation plays the biggest part in moving the story forward...
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Dude
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 08:25 PM
Yea your right X-Files has a lot of proof on so many things. That should be our "new" scientology religion. Can I be the Revered Leader?
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crankymediaguy
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 09:56 PM
SCL said:
"OOO! i Remember now! It's called remote viewing (plz look it up before you say anything...) With the theory of remote viewing, (if this kid had some sort of uber skillz at this) would explain why the kid would know such things."
Ever wondered how money gets placed underneath the pillows of kids who lose a tooth? There's this theory of The Tooth Fairy (look it up before you pooh-pooh it). If that theory is accurate, then there's just no mystery as to how that money gets there, is there? It's SO simple, if you will only keep an open mind. |
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 | 10:03 PM
Analogy theif! |
DFStuckey
in Auckland New Zealand
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 | 02:16 AM
Remote viewing is simply a form of reverse memory or recalling things your future and/or alternate self knows, according to J W Dunne's theory of time streams and human minds. The simplest way to verify if remote viewing is possible in fact is to have a remote viewer observe a location and then prevent them remembering it from when they see the photo of the target location at a point in the future: Simple removal of the head from the body would work.
If remote viewing IS a paranormal power, it will still happen, but if the viewer cannot detect anything, it shows that reverse memory is involved.
But try getting the proposal past an ethics committee . . . .  |
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