Some people believe that Jesus Didn't die on the cross....Some speculate that He was so dehidrated that the blood flow slowed down so he didn't bleed to death and was awoken by Mary after he was placed in Tomb simply by giving him water....
They are assuming that Jesus actually existed, something for which there is no proof.
Assuming he did, what difference does it make. If someone is shot with a gun, could the defense say he died of blood loss, not the bullet?
X Member
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 | 08:18 AM
Jesus is mentioned in history, even in Muslim culture, as well as other historic records....Whether he was who he said he was is another story.....
X Member
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 | 08:20 AM
I am not a religious person, but I believe that Jesus was a real "man". Also stories you read about him pretty much say he was a bad ass, had an attitude. Christians seem to always show him as this loving caring "Nice" person.
String Bean
in love with himself Member
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 | 10:36 AM
Everyone knows that Jesus moved to Vegas and started the very first lounge bar. It's science.
X Member
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 | 10:53 AM
Well yeah, thats where he met Mary and Bob.....but thats common knowledge.
The basis for the Christian-era Santa Claus is Bishop Nicholas of Smyrna (Izmir), in what is now Turkey. Nicholas lived in the 4th century A.D. He was very rich, generous, and loving toward children. Often he gave joy to poor children by throwing gifts in through their windows.
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Paul and other Christians of his day believed that "Jesus" had lived in obscurity at some unknown point in the past, perhaps two or three centuries before their time. The problem is, there seems to be no more evidence in the epistles that Paul has such a figure in mind than there is for his knowledge of a Jesus of Nazareth who had lived and died during the reign of Herod Antipas. Rather, everything in Paul points to a belief in an entirely divine Son who "lived" and acted in the spiritual realm, in the same mythical setting in which all the other savior deities of the day were seen to operate.
sdfghukj
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 | 07:48 AM
it is possible that paul did exist..
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA Member
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 | 08:03 AM
The msn article would still mean that Jesus ceased to be alive while on the cross.
Let's take a look at what was happening to his body: He'd been scourged - so he was already bleeding a lot. The crown of thorns had been placed on his ahead - again more blood loss. Spikes driven through his hands/wrists (depending on what you read), damaging several arteries and veins. A spike through his feet - again, veins/arteries severed/destroyed. The blood in those veins may have bled into him, as well as out. He was stabbed in the side after his blood had seperated from the water in his body.
So, even if the blood clot was the straw that broke the camel's back, I don't think we should rule out any other of the injuries as 'non-threatening'.
And as far as dehydration goes...I'm sure he was dehydrated...the water drained out of his body through a hole in his side.
there is evidence from various Roman writers, such as Josephus and Tacitus, as well as the Talmut, which record a man named Jesus from Nazareth being executed on a charge of claiming to be King of the Jews. The contemporary evidence that shows that Jesus lived fills more volumes than that which proves Julius Ceasar existed.
safgsgh
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 | 09:53 AM
Many scholars see the Biblical narrative of Jesus' life as a mythologised account of a historical figure, aimed at winning new converts rather than being a neutral historical record. This includes the idea that interpretations of Jesus' sayings are secondhand and literary extrapolations from his actions and include mythologized invented detail, or indeed simply reinterpretations of older myths; virgin births, sacrifice and so on were common features of 'pagan godmen.'
Although the existence of a historical figure named Jesus is commonly accepted by Christians and Muslims, and not questioned by most others, there is a school of thought, called mythological school, which sees Jesus as a later interpolation into one of the mystery religions which resemble Christianity. Others see the apparent relationship between Gnosticism and Christianity as based on a historical figure acting as the focal point for the linking of Jewish religious traditions and political history with a mystery religion, a syncretism - ultimately more popular among Gentiles than Jews - which would become Christianity.
What no-one has pointed out is the fact that Crucifiction doesn't cause death by blood-loss but rather suffication. The entire body weight is supported by the chest alone during Crucifiction (Referred to as C from now on as i can't be arsed to type it again!) There was supposed to be a block under the feet but was placed so that the victim could only stand on it on tip toes, as they tired they would evetually be forced downwards making breathing EXTREMELY difficult before ultimately killing the vic. This is Known because the practise of C has been used throughout history as a means of execution for 1000's of years.
BugbearSloth
in earth, 3rd planet, sol system Member
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 | 08:47 PM
Jesus died of emabarassment because all the people who claim to live in His Name are dishonest, arrogant, hypcritical, and evil.
Fender Washburn
in The Emerald Triangle
Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 | 09:56 PM
Whose word do we have that Jesus was re-animated?
His followers.
Who also said that he showed them the nail wounds in the palms of his hands (people weren't crucfied that way) and that a cloud came down and took him up to heaven, so to me their word is suspect.
And keep in mind that the legends of Jesus didn't start until 60 years or more after he died.
There is no evidence that Jesus was crucified on a cross at all. People were usually crucified on a post with their arms above their heads and nailed by the wrists.
The cross was a symbol long before Jesus's time.
Creator
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 | 10:07 PM
Jesus was a real person,not a son of God.He was a manic depressive(bi-polar).It's only recently the medical science found out,that many manic depressives are suffering from Jesus-son of God syndrome.
Creator
Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 | 10:28 PM
How do I know about it.Because I've been there myself.
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA Member
Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 | 03:13 AM
Seems the thread is moving to a non-thread place. Let's stick to the topic.
