Scientists say Russia's x-ray vision girl, who claims to be able to see inside the human body, can also spot internal injuries just by looking at a photograph.
Natalia Demkina has been undergoing tests in Japan into her apparent x-ray vision which has enabled her to diagnose medical conditions, reports Komsomolskaya Pravda.
Previous tests in London and New York led to mixed results. British scientists were convinced but there was doubt in the US where she could only determine the illnesses of four out of seven people.
The latest experiments were carried out by Professor Yoshio Machi at Tokyo University, who specialises in studying apparent superpowers in human beings.
Professor Machi said: "We did a whole range of tests, and the strangest thing was that we found she could also use her abilities on photographs, even on tiny passport photos.
"She was able to look at them and apparently see what the problem was. Her ability is not x-ray vision, but she definitely has some kind of talent that we can't explain yet."
"Her ability is not x-ray vision, but she definitely has some kind of talent that we can't explain yet."
Right both times! Not x-ray vision - wow! But do you actually need a Prof to work that one out? A talent? Certainly - a talent to fool otherwise quite intelligent people; but that's all.
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 12:52 PM
This was covered recently in James Randi's commentary. X-ray girl
Winona
in USA Member
Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 | 01:15 PM
Thanks Al, I don't usually read his commentary, so I'm glad to see it.
This is funny. They wanted to blindfold her to prevent her from gettting visual clues from the subjects about their medical conditions. Natasha claims to be able to see through people's clothes but said she could not do it through a blindfold!
Python, formerly known as Skeptic
Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 | 04:03 PM
well, my name sys it all, but this is obviously (sp???) some kind of stunt by her parents to get money.
OK, does ANYONE still think this isn't mierda de toro (as the Spanish say)?
First, she can see through skulls; NOW she can diagnose from a photo.
Even if you thought that her "X-ray vision" was real, you HAVE to concede that she is now claiming a totally different ability. At what point do you say, "OK, this strains credibility"?
Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA Member
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 | 08:35 AM
How could she 'diagnose' something without a degree? Or at the least, a little education?
The latest experiments were carried out by Professor Yoshio Machi at Tokyo University, who specialises in studying apparent superpowers in human beings.
What is his field called? Hyperandrology?
Cranky Media Guy said:
"Well, anyone can 'diagnose' anything. That doesn't mean that their 'diagnosis' is accurate."
I think Maegan meant, how did she learn the medical terms and such? Or did she just say "cancer," "cold," "cyst?"
Ah, she used descriptive terms, and drawings, although the drawings were b.s. The sad thing is, this girl is going to grow up without anyone helping her to distinguish between fantasy and reality. The adults around her are encouraging her to imagine things that aren't there; and I suspect that could lead to further hallucinations as an adult.
"I think Maegan meant, how did she learn the medical terms and such? Or did she just say "cancer," "cold," "cyst?"
Yes, that is possibly what Maegan meant. I dunno, it just doesn't seem that hard to me to memorize some medical terms (assuming that they were even used) and just blurt them out, especially when they don't have to be in an accurate context, as a doctor would have to do.
When you're just making shit up, there are no rules.
Frank
in USA
Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 | 07:36 PM
If she's been tested, she would have been exposed as a fraud by now.
obdu;lio marquez
in glendale AZ.
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 | 08:32 AM
its funny how science discredits natasha ,the way i see she has a gift and i know that at least she knows more about diagnosis than most doctors in the united states she woukld be the second person i know that can diagnose the patiant without any technology .something that should be practice more often here ,its her fault she could not focus on her test but hey she should never try to take the devils test.we need more good people like that young lady with the gift if we wernt so spoiled in our country we would be able to see that our doctors dont know anything about cures,disagnosis without havig to pay $$$$$ for the education that is no good.OUR COUNTRY IS THE SICKESS IN THE WORLD .
Captain Al
in Alberta, Canada Member
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 | 11:07 AM
obdu;lio marquez,
Science has NOT discredited Natasha. A group of skeptics did. Science does not have time to get involved in testing charlatans or delusional people.
These skeptics are merely a group that wished to do controlled tests to see if this girl could do what she claimed. The test was simple, logical and fair. If she really had the ability to diagnose illnesses in people with "X-ray vision", she would have passed the test. As it turns out, she didn't.
Just because real medical science is expensive and not perfect, is no reason to believe in miraculous powers claimed by every scam artist that comes along. Because it's so easy to make claims like this, many people do it. If they're so good, let them prove it.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 | 12:44 PM
obdu;lio marquez, your entire posting is nothing more than your opinion of Natasha without a single FACT to back any of it up.
It would be wonderful if there were people who could do what Natasha claims to be able to do; unfortunately, there is no actual evidence that anyone like that exists.
The sad fact is that, when they are tested, these claims of extraordinary abilities fail. I can see that you want to believe in this stuff, but shouldn't your belief be based on reality?
obdu;lio marquez
in glendale AZ.
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 03:15 PM
CORRECTION ,CSICOP NOT SCIENCE .THEY SHOULD HAVE LET NATASHA EXAM THE WHOLE NAKED BODY,CSICOP WAS AFRAID SHE WAS GOING TO PROVE THEM WRONG AND FOUND WAYS TO BLOCK THE XRAY VISION ,YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST PUT A LEAD PLATE BETWEEN NATASHA AND TEST SUBJECTS.THE TEST WAS NOT FAIR,HAY THATS REALITY NOT FAIR MORE LIKE TOTAL CHEATERS.
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 04:35 PM
obdu;lio marquez said:
"THEY SHOULD HAVE LET NATASHA EXAM THE WHOLE NAKED BODY,CSICOP WAS AFRAID SHE WAS GOING TO PROVE THEM WRONG AND FOUND WAYS TO BLOCK THE XRAY VISION ,YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST PUT A LEAD PLATE BETWEEN NATASHA AND TEST SUBJECTS."
Typing your unsupported assertions in ALL CAPS doesn't magically turn them into FACTS. You seem to like to make statements you cannot, or will not, back up. If you have any actual EVIDENCE for the things you say, please provide it. In the absence of such, the rest of us will be perfectly justified to discount your opinions.
AMERICA
in USA
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 07:17 PM
Man you sure do get upset over peoples opinions.
You dont speak for everyone ,seems like you are not getting laid enough please go get some.Simple,logical and fair.WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU IN?
Cranky Media Guy
Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 | 11:27 PM
America in USA said:
"Man you sure do get upset over peoples opinions.
You dont speak for everyone ,seems like you are not getting laid enough please go get some.Simple,logical and fair.WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU IN?"
Are you speaking to me? You didn't make it clear to whom you were referring.
In any case, you are engaging in ad hominem attacks. As such, they are irrelevant, so I won't respond to them. If you have anything of value to add to the conversation, please do so.
