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Our life itself is the biggest lie
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Posted By:
leo777
Apr 23, 2005
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The fact is that we all live a lie.According to where we come from.
I was born in Russia during the Cold War.
And you know what,they never tought us in school that a russian by name Igor
Sikorsky invented the helicopter.And the names of Wassily Kandinsky(famous
artist)and igor Stravinsky(famous composer)never were mentioned in Russian
education system and many others because of political reasons.They left to
the West and were considered as a traitors to Communist Russia.
So what are we tought in schools is a reflection of what our govervents and
cultures believe in.
THE WHOLE HISTORY OF THE WORLD IS THE BIGGEST HOAX OF THEM ALL.
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Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 01:28 PM
Do you think we American's don't ignore defeats unless they're glorious. The only defeat Americans celebrate is the Alamo. Vietnam? Nope, draw according to my history classes. If anyone admits it was a defeat it was because the home front didn't support the troops.
Maegan - the war was affecting us. Millions of Jews were being slaughtered and this fact was very well known among American Jews as well as our government. Our closest allies in the world were being dragged down. Before we entered it seemed entirely likely that Germany would control all of Europe, North Africa, and NW Asia. How could this possibly not affect us, whether politically, economically, or morally? I can understand hesitating about entering another major war but eventually you have to suck it up and do what's right.
As for involving ourself in every little war that comes along - I don't think WWII was directly responsible for this. I think it was decades of "containment" of the communist problem that ingrained it into us. As I stated before, the USSR was always seen as a threat, even before the war. In fact, early German military buildup was allowed, in part, because Nazi Germany was almost rabidly anti-communist. Who knew that Hitler wasn't going to be the West's pawn against Stalin?
Since the USSR has fallen and Russia isn't seen in as bad a light anymore our continued aggressiveness overseas is, I believe, due to political and economic pressures, both from without our country and within.
Whew... |
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 04:50 PM
Woo, this thread is long. I thought about using Japanese, but it just didn't look right. And to date, I have used the term jap many times, and it has only been commented on by Americans. And maybe the recently-immigrated Japanese wouldn't speak up if they were offended, but I'm sure all the Japanese-American people I know would speak up.
Sure, my usage might make things akward, but when I've decided on a convention, I stick to it. I'm stubborn that way. |
Wally
in La La Land
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 05:58 PM
If the Vietnam war was a draw, then why is it noe ruled by the Communists? |
Accipiter
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 06:15 PM
Actually, American involvement in WWII started right around the same time that British, French, and Russian did. Where do you think Britain got all its food and petrol? From American convoys. Much of the Russian equipment was also provided by the Americans (although the Soviets were careful to remove every label that said "Made in the USA" and replaced them with "Made in the USSR"). So America wasn't just sitting doing nothing before Pearl Harbour. It just didn't make any direct military commitment before Dec. 7, 1941. Then the Japanese attacked, and that gave the US military all the excuse it needed to get involved. |
Sharruma
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 07:10 PM
Us brits wallow in our greatness
It's hard to do if people tell you where you lost
Some defeats can't be hidden as the entire history of the country stems from it.
The French invasion of 1066 for example.
Also certain battles have different names depending on the which side.
the battle of 1503 for example is referred to as Flodden Field by the Scots and as Bramstone Green by the Brits. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 09:23 PM
Wow! I leave town for a couple days and the thread goes to hell in a handbasket.
To answer Leo777's quesions a few pages back, I meant your theory is incorrect. You were able to figure out the truth about Sikorsky after you obtained more information, despite what you were originally taught. They were not able to hide it from you because you were open to other opinions.
Having said that, I can now say the fact in question is not entirely correct. Sikorsky built the first useful single-rotor helicopter. There were other rotary-wing aircraft before his (double-rotor helicopters, autogyros, etc). |
Katherine
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 09:46 PM
Oy. CP, I don't want to get into a flamewar with you, so please don't think I'm purposely stirring up things, but:
How do you know I'm not Japanese?
I'm not, as it so happens, but I could very well be. You never know who's listening (and who could potentially be offended!) on the Internet, and it's often wisest to temper your speech for that very reason. This holds true in real life, as well--ninety-nine percent of the time, that guy who tells anti-Semitic jokes down at the bar (or that bloke who tells anti-Semitic jokes down at the pub) isn't going to have anyone call him on it, but for all he knows, that stranger at the next table could have a Jewish father, and all hell will break lose.
I don't know for a fact whether "Jap" is considered offensive in--Britain? Is that where you are?--but the plain fact is that it's a highly offensive term in America, and a large percentage of the Internet is composed of Americans, who will invariably leap on you for using it. I could see someone using a term like that if they genuinely don't know that it's offensive, but I'm not sure why anyone would purposely use a term that they know is offensive to large groups of people.
You say, "Sure, my usage might make things akward, but when I've decided on a convention, I stick to it. I'm stubborn that way." And I can see why you would want to do that, but language (and what is considered polite!) does change over the years. In the past, terms like "negro" and "colored" were actually polite, courteous ways of referring to persons of African descent. However, modern usage has obviously changed, and anyone using those terms nowadays would be doing so to deliberately cause offense, despite the fact that those words were perfectly polite in the past. The same with "Jap"--up to and during WWII, as far as I can discover, it was a perfectly acceptable term, but in the years since, it's grown to be quite offensive. If we were in 1941 and you were using that word, that would be great; but this is 2005, and regardless of how innocuous the word used to be in the past, it is indeed considered highly derogatory today.
So basically: I don't intend any of the above in a mean way--no flamewars! And I realize I probably can't change which words you choose to use, but I think it can be useful to remember that the words you use may be really offensive to someone, regardless of whether you know it or not.
That's all. Cheers! |
leo777
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 10:38 PM
To Katherine.
Thanks for a comment to complement Japanise people.
They have proven to be one of the most organized,disciplined and high-quality producers of everything known to a modern man.I am sure that those who talked bad about them use their superior products by companies like Sony,Panosonic and many others.When their products made in Japan by japanese people ,while American companies make their products in Communist China.Yes it's still communist,dispite some clever reforms by Chinese Goverment to stay in power.I really despise that.
I live in the USA and "made in USA" label meant so much in the past.It meant quality.
Now when I bought my new laptop from Dell and took it out of the box I saw a label "Made in Malaysia .It broke 3 times in 9 months.
Dell in the late 90s was the best PC company in the world.Well not anymore.My next laptop will be from Sony.
Not to meanchion all the great video games that come from Japan and video game systems(Nintendo,Sony's Playstation,Sega).I've been a big fan of japanese RPG/strategy games,the most famous one Final Fantasy. |
leo777
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 | 11:29 PM
To Charybdis
You are absolutely right that the Cold War had started in 1917.
Actually I am very impressed with your knowledge about the events most of people don't care about.
But you missing the point here that I am an anti-communist to the core and just trying to establish here things that a bit confussing to many people.
Yes.The nuclear bombing of Japan had two purpuses.
One was to stop the war,but the main one was to send the message to Communist Russia:Don't even try to expand your Evil Empire(Roland Regan)or we we will abliterate you from the face of the Earth.
About "there is NO honor during the war" I would heavily desagree.
A history reflected in literture is full of examples of of people facing death with honor,and the enemy appritiating the bravery of the opposite site.
So get it out of you sick mind.
There are people of honor among any nations and cultures,not all Germans were nazies and not all Russians were communists.And considering the fact how well american capitalists doing buisness with communist China shows the apposite.That some people would sell their honor for few bucks. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 12:02 AM
To Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
To answer your question.I spend half of my life in the USSR and the other half in the USA.So I am very well familiar with both points of view.
I still desagree with you that my original message didn't specify the fact that I was ejucated in Russia.Ther was no any sentence between two sentences that I moved to any other country.Any writer would say that.
But I don't really care.
I made my point that we all see things according to where we come from and what they teach us at school and I am sutisfied with the outcome.
Unfortunately the argument made a move towards
one specific argument about a nuclear bombing of Japan and it's real perposse.
There are many other issues at present time in the World that could relate to this discussion and I believe that many people were left out because of that. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 12:46 AM
To citizen Premier
"And, you might note, many cities were devestated to the same degree as Hiroshima and Nagasaki with more conventional weapons." WWII sucked.
It is nice to know that you feel that WWWII sucked,but your other statements do seem be a bit out of focus.
Yes,most of Europian cities involved in WWII were devestated just like Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
With one little difference.People had a chance to get to the bomb shelters.And there was no radiation issues.Think of Chernobol.Many people of those two cities suffered from horrible radiation related diseases for years after the bombing.
I don't know where you live,but how would you like a nucliar bomb to be dropped on your city.
It's extremely insensetive to make assumptions of things you have no idea about.
The smoke from Twin Towers penetrated my appartment so we had to seal all the holes in it with duck tape.
Do you have any tales of your own to tell. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 01:02 AM
To Captain Al
"Sikorsky built the first useful single-rotor helicopter. There were other rotary-wing aircraft before his (double-rotor helicopters, autogyros, etc)".
Please point me in the right direction to proof your claim.(websites) |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 02:20 AM
I still can't help it to desagree with those who say that my original message is unclear that I was ejucated in Russia.
It's true it doesn't say that I live in the USA.
But I did say that many important World History people were absent in Russian ejucation system.How would I had known about it?
It is when I came to the West I had found the truth that the Communusts were hiding from their own people.
Sorry to all.But I wouldn't change a word.
I read books and poetry.
My favorite american writer and poet is Edgar Alan Poe. My favorite british poets are William Blake and Christina Rossetti. |
Captain Al
in Vancouver Island, Canada
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 11:15 AM
Leo777, although I don't consider web sites as the last word for proof of anything, most history sources, including web sites, agree on the timeline for the development of the helicopter. A search on Yahoo or Google will give more that enough hits for further study. But for a start you can go to:
helis.com
and:
enae.umd.edu history
"A helicopter is an assembly of forty thousand loose pieces, flying more or less in formation" |
Citizen Premier
in spite of public outcry
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 03:52 PM
leo777, one time I slept through a new Star Trek episode. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 09:31 PM
Hi Captain Al.
I did check helis.com
Very interisting website.Since ideas of helicopter go back 1.500 years and a number of people was involved I think that it goes to the quiestion."Who really made it possible?".The craft that we all can recognize today as a helicopter.
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/helicopters_and_igor_sikorsky.htm
And according to helis.com the first life saving mission when victims were unreachable by any other means was performed by Sicorsky's craft. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 09:51 PM
Citizen Premier which Star Trek series was that.
My favorite is the original one with captain Kirk.
According to your nick name"Citizen Premier" you think of yourself as superior over other "citizens".
Don't oversleep the next Star Trek episode.I stopped watching them long ago.
The greatest one was the original one.And the "Next generation" was a good one.Anything after that would put you to sleep.It probably was one of those. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 10:09 PM
Hi Captain Al.
I would really like to hear your opinion on who was really responsable for the invention of televison as we know it.No magic mirrors or magic balls from fairy tales from the Dark Ages. |
leo777
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 10:21 PM
Sorry for mistyping "television".There are people at this Forum,who very sensitive about that.Like Smerk for example.Kind of ridiculous to send a message to sutisfy those purists who make a big deal out of it. |
Mark-N-Isa
in Midwest USA
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Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2005 | 11:01 PM
Leo,
Until you "master" the use of the English language, then who are you to tell the people who have it as a native language, how your use of it is "usually" interpreted? No... you didn't specifically say that you had relocated to a different country, but on the SAME note you didn't specifically say that you were educated where you were born! It's like me trying to tell you how to properly use Russian! SO GIVE IT A REST ALREADY...
As for thinking that the "real" reason Japan was bombed using the new-found nuclear capabilities... that just cements it for me that you're an idiot! There was a MAJOR race going on at the time... quite a few countries were racing to be the first to develop it successfully. Germany was indeed working on it, and by association so was Japan. If they had perfected it first do you really think they wouldn't have used it based on "humanitarian" reasons??? Are you familiar with "The rape of Nanking?" Your opinions may be heart-felt but they're obviously uninformed!
PS - Get off Smerks back you dork! She's a regular here and we tend to stick together!
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