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Sharruma
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 06:46 PM
I remember a series a long time ago where they looked at a large variety of scams and hoaxes
They debunked everyone of them by showing how it could be done without anything mystical
Divining is the only one they couldn't shoot down,
though they tried.
Since it seems to work when I do it, I'm willing to believe there might be some reason it works. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 06:46 PM
Most likely you could have dug just about anywhere on your property and hit the underground water table. Would you have not hit the water table had you dug 100 feet to the North or South? At least in our area the underground water supply isn't merely a narrow stream so to speak as much as it's a layer of water. The key to digging a well in Central Indiana isn't locating the exact spot needed to dig as much as it's determining how far down you need to go to reach the water. That's just my guess though... |
Winona
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 06:51 PM
You know, right after I posted this - weirdly enough I went off to a different forum I occasionally read, and one of the topics on there was about Divining Rods. Celestine Prophecy, anyone? 
Mark, not sure. The area I lived in was considered semi-arid (yes, in Canada!). We found the water about 15-20 or so feet down as I recall... At that time we had a little less than 2 acres to work on.
Personally, I could see the possibility for it working, but that's just me. |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:07 PM
So Winona,
If you think that there is some possibility for it working... on what principles do you think it might work? Meaning, how do you think that it might be possible? Just out of curiosity. I haven't done any research into the matter because I've never really given much credence to it. Does the Rod (and no this no reference to our Canadian friend) have to be some specific kind of metal in order to work? Is it working (if it does) based on magnetism or something? Are there any magnetic properties to water? Or any other properties of water that might make this work? Perhaps if you were able to detect a strong field of co-valent (hydrogen) bonds you might be able to detect water... but can you do that with just a metal rod?
I don't know... was just curious as to what your thoughts on it might be... |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:09 PM
PS - About Canada being arid... that's not so hard to believe considering that Antartica is one the most arid places on Earth and considered by some to be the biggest desert on the planet. |
Katherine
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:19 PM
Um, Mark and/or Jen...I'm truly not trying to be rude or snarky or anything, but I'm drawing a blank here: how does Antarctica being a desert have anything whatsoever to do with Canada's aridity, or lack thereof? |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:24 PM
Um Katherine,
Deserts aren't defined by their sand content, common mistake. Deserts are defined by their aridity or lack of rainfall if you will... which there is surprisingly very little of in Antartica. I know, I was a little surprised to hear that when I first heard it to, but their explanation for calling it a desert made sense. Especially after I looked up the definition for "desert."
PS - It's Mark btw... |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:28 PM
Also, didn't say the two were directly linked (Canada's aridity and Antartica being a desert) just that her part of Canada being arid didn't surprise me because you can have water everywhere and it still be arid... like in Antartica. After learning that Antartica was considered arid, and possibly a desert, that Canada being arid wasn't surprising to me. Winona stated that..."The area I lived in was considered semi-arid (yes, in Canada!)." like she expected me to be surprised by that... |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:30 PM
and I was just saying that it wasn't surprising to me because of... blah, blah, blah. I think she got what I was saying, maybe not, but it is after all just some light-hearted conversation right?
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Winona
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:37 PM
Mark, not really sure how to answer that, because I don't know why I would think it works & haven't really given much thought to it.
So, who knows. It could be that the person is just taking cues from the environment and then influences the movement of the rods subconciously. Or, maybe it could have something to do with earth fields. Not sure at all, wish I could explain better!!
About the metal - a lot of them use brass (I've seen 5-7 dowsers, as I come from a very small then-emerging community outside a small community) though I've also seen them use old coathangers.
The guy who showed us kids how to do it showed us with his silvery colored metal ones, and also with forked sticks. So I assume it doesn't matter.... |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:38 PM
So does that give any idea whatsoever why I said that her part of Canada being arid didn't surprise me? You see where I was coming from now? |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:40 PM
Didn't mean to put you on the spot Winona, just figured that with your experience in the matter maybe you could contribute some information. Like maybe they had told you their operating theories behind it or something... plus, always looking to learn something new. UNLESS it's about DNA activation... I can't believe that thread is still coming up...
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padego
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:41 PM
I would suspect Winona is from southern B.C. which has an arid region that stretches into Washington state. I'm on Vancouver Island and in the more rural areas divining is considered an art.
We have an old family friend who does it as a favour for friends and has a 95% success rate!
Go figure. |
Winona
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:49 PM
padego, correcto! Though I don't live in Canada anymore...
Mark, didn't feel put on the spot, just had a hard time coming up with theories as it was (gasp) one of those things I accepted pretty blindly. Which is funny, because I do have a healthy bit of "prove how it works" in many other areas. On the other hand, I also have an interest in spirituality and the paranormal (with a very very strong sceptical sense though). |
Mark-N-Isa
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 07:59 PM
I myself am one of those "let's see your proof" kind of people (almost to a fault sometimes) but am still always interested in hearing about things. Even the way-out-there theories are at least worth hearing about in my opinion because science is a great tool... but we are FAR from knowing everything there is to know about the physical world and how it works. Don't give much credit at all to the spiritual side of things other than it can better a person's life by making them feel better, however, paranormal is extremely interesting to me because as I stated before... our knowledge is VERY incomplete. For that matter, evolution might someday make things possible that aren't currently... who knows? |
Winona
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 08:04 PM
I have seen some weird things in my life, living in a supposedly haunted house growing up and don't think I'm crazy (some of you may diagree ) so that's where my interest comes from... but I do look for a better(?) explanation.
I think I need an on-topicsickle, even on my own topic. Sorry! |
Myst
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 08:21 PM
An old man I talked to once had done water divining all his life. He said he only used wood, such as small sticks. I asked him how he thought it worked? He said he honestly didn't know, he even wondered sometimes if it all wasn't just dumb luck. Despite his doubts he still did it, he said it was fun to do. |
Captain Al
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 09:05 PM
I recall reading on the James Randi website that 94% of the land on earth has water at a drillable depth below it.
They have tested many dowsers for the $1 million paranormal challenge. To test them they make them find a spot that has no water below. It goes without saying that none have come close to winning. |
Katherine
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Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2005 | 09:39 PM
Here's an interesting linky on the subject if anyone cares to look... |
Charybdis
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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 | 07:35 AM
Dowsing is one of those "touchy" subjects. Unlike other paranormal claims, most dowsers actually seem to believe that they have the abilities they claim.
What happens when a fraud is tested and fails is that the testee immediately starts making excuses for why they failed (bad materials, bad subject, bad vibes Always with the negative waves Moriarty, always with the negative waves). They blame their failure on everything but themselves. Testers accept and even expect this. The progression of blame that a fraud uses is pretty standardized.
When testing a true believer who fails, however, the results are a little different. Usually they are just confused. They know that they have the power but, for some reason, it's just not working for them. It's sometimes a very sad scene when the believer realized that they have failed and the testers often feel sympathy for them that they would never feel for the frauds. They may even accept the responsibility for their failure at first. The end result is usually the same, though, as the believer eventually comes up with an excuse for failure that makes it not their fault. They then go back to their blissfully ignorant beliefs. |
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