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Subliminal Peripheral Vision Psychosis
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Posted By:
Myst
Mar 23, 2005
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Please note: Reading the following site could cause bouts of insanity accompanied by uncontrolled eye rolling.
Fifty years ago Engineers found a conflict of physiology when it caused a sudden psychotic episode in certain office workers. They didn't tell anyone else and to this day they believe it is confined to the business office. Cubicle Level Protection is the solution. But they didn't give the problem a name. Maybe that's why it is unknown fifty years later.....
http://visionandpsychosis.net/
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Alex
in San Diego
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Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2005 | 11:49 PM
So I'm trying to understand what the site is all about, but it's a little hard.
Either they're saying that people who work in cubicles are all going to go stark raving mad... very soon.
Or they're saying that cubicles protect people from going stark raving mad.
One or the other. I'm not sure.
But I'm impressed with how they tie this theory in with pueblo indian archaeology. Very x-files. |
Myst
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 12:14 AM
I can't figure it out either. I gave up after my eyes began to roll crazily around and I felt my own version of insanity slipping away.
I'm hoping Hairy can interpret some of this for us. |
Alex
in San Diego
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 12:18 AM
Somehow I don't see Hairy as a cubicle kind of guy. |
Smerk
in to mischief
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 12:27 AM
I do seem to suffer from the QiGong psychotic reaction...short of having eyes in the back of my head, how else do I keep an eye on my class when they follow me? |
Rod
in the land of smarties.
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 12:42 AM
From what I can see, this guy seems to be attempting to make the facts match up when they don't. Now, don't quote me on that (yet), 'cause I'm not done reading the site.
Hairy not the cubicle type? Are you kidding? Maybe it's a cubicle that made him the Hairy we know and love... We could add that to this guys's proof collection.
And if things moving quickly in your peripheral vision drive you nuts, why isn't every single person who drives a car insane, just California drivers? (yes, kidding. Kinda.) |
X
in McKinney, TX
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 09:27 AM
It looks to me that what they are speaking of is all the close movement that is expierianced when confined in a small working environment. The brain is pushed into overdrive because it is seeing things in the peripheral vision and taking them as threats and having to decipher everything to figure out what it is. I am a cubicle guy and I do agree. If it wasn't for the walls of the cube, I would get less done because of a slight paranoia (Not spelled right) from seeing everything moving in close to me or by me. Our instincts want to take over to make sure no danger is approaching. With this overload, some people get stressed, go crazy, smoke (like I do). Most of us get more conditioned to it now in this fast paced world. I can see the relation to suicide.
The computer added to this stress. So many things the mind is deciphering. Seeing blinking lights, words everywhere, different screens. When a pop up add appears while you are reading your computer, you get a little annoyed. It came out of no where and this triggers instinct. There is actually a slight adrenaline rush which quickly goes away because you figured out what just happend, a pop up, so it wasn't a threat, unless you feel it was an invasion of privacy, and the body wants to recover which it then undergoes a level of stress. Too much of crap similar to this may cause a nervous breakdown. |
Charybdis
in Hell
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 09:45 AM
I'm a cubie and I think that you are all well aware of how sane and stable I am.
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Maegan
in Tampa, FL - USA
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Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 | 11:59 AM
I'm in a cubical. I don't have any creepy smilies. |
L K Tucker
in Montgomery AL USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 | 12:37 AM
If you are having trouble believing the subject of VisionAndPsychosis.Net perform the demonstration of subliminal sight and habituation in peripheral vision.
Over five years of investigation I found four activities that have mental breaks associated with them. All four have Subliminal Distraction exposure as part of the experience.
Negative mental outcomes have occurred with Qi Gong and Kundalini Yoga for about 3000 years. Participants blame supernatural forces Chee and Prana for this. But eyes open meditation while preforming kata movements in groups is actually a description of SD exposure.
The simple message is that all computer workstations must have Cubicle Level Protection if they are located where there is repeating detectable movement in peripheral vision.
This is usually FREE. You move the computer somewhere there cannot be movement beside you. |
David
in Texas
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 | 06:34 PM
This is interesting.
I tripped over that website and I suddenly recalled 2 co-workers at 2 different jobs that "lost it" for no apparent reason.
Due to space restrictions, both of them were stuck in cubicles that had other equipment with rapidly blinking and sequencing lights in peripheral view.
I did work for a week or so in the 1st co-worker's cube and I could never figure out why I was so uncomfortable working in there. There was always a mild sense of apprehension in there. Others that had to use that workstation didn't like it either. We laughed and thought it was haunted.
I wonder now about it. |
Ordinary Jane
in Midwest, USA
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Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 | 08:40 AM
That website is pretty confusing but I think there is something in the theory. I'd love to see more work done on this.
I worked in a situation for a year where my desk was set up in such a way that people were always entering the room behind me, and I had a tower of server equipment on my right, blinking and whining all the time.
I am a very low-key easy going person but over time, my anxiety level went sky high and I was constantly on edge. I remember that when sitting beside people, I'd get this fight-or-flight urge that I found very distressing and unsettling. It was literally only when people were beside me - in my peripheral vision!!!
I started meditating on a regular basis to get rid of the anxiety, but that stressed out fight or flight response went away completely when I stopped my job. It wasn't until I stumbled upon that weird website that a lightbulb went off over my head.
I'm just sharing this anonymously in case anybody else out there experienced the same thing and was, like I was, worried they were going crazy. From now one I will never work where I can be disturbed from behind or where there are flashing lights in my periphery. |
Josh
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 | 03:47 PM
I have to agree. I worked a computer job in a cubicle where I was facing a short (height) cubicle wall, where on the other side of that wall was a shelf where workers would come to stack papers. So my brain would constantly be analyzing the "threats" approaching in my peripheral vision and it drove me nuts. Constantly breaking my attention because I thought someone was confronting me. I found it extremely difficult to focus and get any concentrated work done. |
L K Tucker
in Montgomery Alabama
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Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 | 05:16 PM
While you may have had minor Subliminal Distraction exposure remember that it happens when you learn to ignore distracting movement in your peripheral vision.
Subliminal Peripheral Vision forms a cone around conscious sight. When you look down to work movement in front of you across the low cubicle wall was in your peripheral vision.
I have found some people who cannot learn to ignore distracting movement. My guess is that they cannot have SD exposure and will not have the mental break it can cause.
Hospital intensive care units have a problem when patients who spend more than five days there begin to have mental breaks. I suspect it is caused by something similar to your experience. The exposure rate minimum is every fifteen minutes around the clock as long as the patient is awake. |
joah
in Renton
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 | 08:16 PM
L K Tucker,
can you please email about this, it is very important.
A few years ago in highschool i started to notice that I wasn't able to control where i looked and things in my peripheral vision would distract me, like moving objects. some kids started to notice this and for six months would have fun with me like rasing there hand or dropping a pencil to pick it up knowing that it got my attention.
I want to explain more to you but don't want to go on talking about it here, please send me an email: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) |
nur s.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 08:13 PM
After spending some time on the web site of concern, I started looking for a comment form to fill just to tell the authors that it might as well be them suffering from a paranoid schizophrenic episode..and I ended up here. No complaints about that  I particularly enjoyed the simple yet so very logical question Rod sent about 4 years ago (wow) ---> "And if things moving quickly in your peripheral vision drive you nuts, why isn't every single person who drives a car insane, just California drivers? (yes, kidding. Kinda.)"
I'll try to be brief:
1) I find it most bizarre that the authors of the web site seem to pay no attention whatsoever to the nature of psychotic illnesses, or to the physiological (hereditary/ genetic disposition, hormonal imbalance), social (alienation, occupational dissatisfaction, estrangement, repressed traumas) reasons well known and well documented to be related with psychotic reactions.
2) While reading them is somewhat a fun way of killing time, majority of the complex speculations that go under "consipracy theories" are works of a mind prone to paranoid and/ or schizophrenic disturbances. In fact such "irrational rationalizations" are considered to be solid symptoms of psychological problems. Going through many material on the web-site, I can't help but notice what an immense time & energy is put into proving a connection between unrelated, random and otherwise explainable occurences.
3) The range of the visual field of human species, along with our neuro-system is capable of multi-tasking & multi-proccessing, which is partly what puts humans on top of the food chain. While sensory agitation and over-stimulation is not without the expense of psychological health, the web-site offers no solid proof that such blinking-lights can be strong enough to trigger psychotic episodes.
4) Any theory, argument or notion with the word "subliminal" is dubious to me. It's an overrated term that undermines human system, and often used by people with little or no knowledge of neurology or neuro-psychology.
5) About the yoga and Qui Gong references on the web-site: any practice with the claim of spiritual enlightenment or cleansing is bound to cause adverse reactions to some degree. Many people turning to them do so with the intention of facing their long-ignored or untackled issues. The affirmative tone of such practices about facing what you fear or leaving your previous life behind might as well trigger anxiety, further fear or even the return of traumas repressed due to inability to deal with them. Unexperienced teachers with little insight to the student's individual state of mind/ soul can also be part of the problem (poor or bad conditioning).
I wasn't as brief as I wanted to be. Sorry |
L K Tucker
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 | 11:40 PM
I don't know why the mental break with Subliminal Distraction happens. Neither does anyone else. There is absolutely no research about it.
But you failed to perform the basic investigation into first semester psychology where the problem is explained.
In the 1990's it was explained as the result of the effort to suppress the startle. Avoiding the startle caused a conflict in the mind that would build until a mental break happens.
I suggest that the trigger for the startle, subliminally detected movement in peripheral vision, happens so quickly it is not treated as vision input until you create the repeating circumstances for it. When your brain attempts to source and understand subliminal vision input that effort causes additional synapses and pathways to be created to confuse reason and thought.
I didn't dream up the problem. I learned of it in psychology class.
I searched for activities that have mental breaks associated with them and then looked for Subliminal Distraction in that activity.
ICU Psychosis, Qi Gong, Kundalini Yoga, and Landmark Education's seminar are the four primary places investigated. Culture Bound Syndromes have similar mental events but they are too far flung to investigate.
Even the authors of the DSM admit they don't know what causes mental illness. Your time would be better spent performing your own investigation after you verify the problem is real.
I can't help you do that. You must have the insight to understand the basic problem. Go back and read about subliminal sight and how it triggers the human vision startle reflex. |
nur s.
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 06:42 AM
Sorry to see that my earlier response have upset the the authors of the web-site. Not to rain on anyone's parade, but I have to say that I have teaching experience with neuro-psychology at the university, which goes, let's say 'a bit' further than taking a beginner/ intermed. level course or gathering loose information in the field. The impulsive response above (which doesn't really 'respond' content-wise) already indicates that this SPV speculation isn't anywhere close to posing plausible questions or engage in coherent argumentation to begin with-- let alone tackle with its own leaks or blind spots like any scientific thoughtful theory would be able to do so. |
Joah
in Renton
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 10:11 AM
Hey Nur S. This is true, I wish you were right and this was made up but its not because I am suffering with it right now and have been for the last 6 years.
It started in Highshool, I was a very shy and nervous kid, always feeling like people where staring at me. one day It just happened, I couldn't ignore movements around me, I could be staring at the teacher and a hand would go up arcoss the room and I would see it imedeitly or someones pencil would drop on the floor right next to me and I would be distracted by that, it has gotten so bad to the point where I cannot take classes at school or hold a job because now every movement around me distracts me to look at it. I am seeking professional help but because very few has heard abou this its very hard to explain to them what I am going through. |
L K Tucker
in Montgomery Alabama
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 | 05:13 PM
You haven't upset me. I don't get upset about this problem. I have a outlook of benevolent fatalism.
How many people have to die before this problem is correctly investigated?
Again .... you failed to go to first semester psychology and find the problem explained there. It is in psychophysics, the physiology of sight.
You should investigate how the human vision startle reflex is formed.
So little is thought of the odd problem that it has not been investigated since that first discovery
The exact wording in my course at Shelton State Junior College was that, "Subliminal sight caused a problem in the early days of modern office design."
That course was taught with the same books and materials as the University of Alabama. Shelton State is across town from UA. The courses are coordinated for the degree program from UA.
I should warn you that I have exchanged emails with an emeritus professor of psychology that said he had never encountered it in 23 years of teaching entry level psychology at the University of Georgia.
It does not appear in advanced courses. It is mentioned just that once if at all.
I have searched for five years and do not find anyone in medicine or psychiatry aware of the phenomenon.
I called a Steelcase dealer in Birmingham to refresh my forty year old memory of it (2003). I first encountered the problem as an engineering student around 1966.
If you visited my site you saw the page where I had posted a question on an architectural forum. They accused me of being an attorney trying to get information for a lawsuit.
Designers treat the information as proprietary. They don't want to be called as a witness against a customer or employer.
The problem is real and does cause a believed-to-be-harmless mental break. |
nur s.
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 | 05:30 AM
If read carefully, it would be clear in my previous posts that I don't altogether negate the bad effects of sensory agitation or over stimulation on an individual's psychology. It is the causal and correlative relation suggested between the visual over-stimulation described on the web-site and psychosis that I don't find plausible on the basis of my knowledge and practice in the field. (Doesn't it ring a bell that an Emeritus Prof. has made the same remarks? That a causal,correlative relation as such has never been noticed or acknowledged as worthy-of further study by people who are trained in the field? It isn't a warning to me, it is a warning to the authors of such pseudo-causalities. That is an epic failure of understanding on the part of the authors of the web-site. Also called a 'disavowal' in psychology.)
A wording along the lines of "Subliminal sight causing a problem" doesn't mean that the same problem can safely and positively be called a psychotic disturbance due to this subliminal sight agitation. Not to mention that it is argued to be psychosis on the web-site while the authors of it used the wording "harmless mental break" here, in the above response. Somebody has to decide now.
These are a few of the many, many indicators of the fact that the authors of the web-site hold no understanding of the categorical differences between a sign, a trigger, a cause, a problem and a symptom from the perspective of medicine and psychology.
Fortunately (or not, for some), it takes a lot more than an internet search and a couple of college courses to make claims on a subject as complicated as psychological health. Ironic that these claims for which a lot of time & energy is spent is discussed here, in museumofhoaxes. That speaks volumes in and of itself. It also makes it superfluous for me to engage in any further debate with a party who seems to enjoy quite a bit of attention for unfounded conspiracies despite any credible knowledge or substantial argument to make sense.
My final words to anyone who thinks he/she might be suffering a psychotic disturbance because lights blinking around create a sense of paranoia or insecurity, please waste no further time with hoaxes and seek professional help from medical experts. A little bit of knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge because the former often has to create myths and create confusion to support itself. Keep in mind that no medical diagnosis can be made, or even suspected without a one-on-one consultation with an MD. |
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